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Old 8th Dec 2006, 23:01
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Perfect Landing C182

I can't seem to get my landings in the C182 up to a good standard. Was wondering if any seasoned 182 drivers could make any suggestions on what works for them. Most of my flying has mainly been on low wing cherokees.
I use 20 degrees of flap, 80 kts final for the 182P

Also would these landing techniques also apply to C206, C207 etc.

and yes i have done searches on this topic.

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Get all the flap out and get the speed back. Come over the fence at 65 kts.

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Fly parallel with the runway, close the throttle and try not to land her by increasing AOA and trying to maintain height a couple of foot above the runway, she will do a perfect touch down everytime as long as you have the numbers over the fence.

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Thanks for the advice.
it looks like i not only need to change my approach speeds but also my instructor.
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60 kts with two up, a trickle of power, full flaps, well back on the trim (be prepared to push hard forward if you have to go around with full flaps), the 182 will land itself. Try it, you will see.
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80 knots is a little fast! 65kts across the fence is fine. If in doubt check the POH
If you are light (1 pob) in both 206/182 would suggest only using flap 20 otherwise you will land very flat. Three pointer in a trigear, not the best. I flew both a/c for flying jumpers, so maybe the were a little lighter. Very rarely used full flap unless I was coming back down with a load of meat. I just added a few extra kts across the fence with a trickle more power, could grease it on. Plus with 2 landings per flight hour, I had plenty of practice!!
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Im sure ContactMeNow will have plenty to add to this...
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Cool sure

Fly parallel with the runway, close the throttle and try not to land her by increasing AOA and trying to maintain height a couple of foot above the runway, she will do a perfect touch down everytime as long as you have the numbers over the fence.

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hey 4S, i tried flying parallel with the runway but i hit some cows, talked to my instructor and he recommeded flying towards it instead.
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close the throttle and try not to land her by increasing AOA
Please explain.
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Double Donk - go find yourself an instructor who can actually fly a C150/152 properly (I have to assume that there are still some out there) and do full flap/fully stalled landings until your have them off pat. Yes, it is a big transition from the nose attitude on approach to the nose attitude in the flare - but, learning to fly competently and confidently does require some skills to be learned. When you can do them into wind - go do them in a howling x-wind.

Then go fly the 172/182/206/210 the same way and you should have no more trouble.

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Me and a few friends have done a bit of time in a C182RG Version, haven’t flown a fixed gear one. The gear on the RG is reasonably sturdy and doesn’t have much give, to add to the problem it has 2 very small main wheels. The tires on this aircraft seem to have a high psi. This combination of the two has allowed me to witness and produce some horrible landings. When the aircraft is light she will bounce back to circuit height if its a positive touchdown, when it has been heavy i have witnessed people reducing power to early and it has fallen out of the sky. Like people have been saying get your speeds back over the fence, this will help alot. I have found that the timing of closing the throttle and flaring have been critical to producing a decent landing vs a shocker - (the one where you change your voice or put on an accent so no one recognises you in the tower!!)

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Originally Posted by gassed budgie
Please explain.
Its called holding off.
unless your doing a performance landing, you should be doing this with all your landings.
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flying a 206 empty after all my pax have jumped out can be fun - does anyone else run out of trim on base/finals? i think it's the way mine is set up.

anyway, full flap, 65kts over the fence, power off at 5ft, into the flare, greased on every time. hold the nose wheel off the ground as long as poss for the fastish taxi back to the DZ.....

i've got a close-mowed strip across the runway that i target for mains down every time (model a/c runway)
 
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Its called holding off.
unless your doing a performance landing, you should be doing this with all your landings.
OK wiz, I'll ask you. How am I going to hold off without increasing the angle of attack ? And what should I be doing in all landings ? Please explain.
And just what do you mean by a performance landing ?
And when it comes to rounding out, holding off and touching down, can you please tell me what the magic word is ? There's only one.
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i think he means 'without increasing your nose attitude' - it follows that the aoa will increase if you hold the attitude, and the a/c slows down (remember basic stalls...)
 
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Originally Posted by gassed budgie
And just what do you mean by a performance landing ?
And when it comes to rounding out, holding off and touching down, can you please tell me what the magic word is ? There's only one.
max performance landing - follows on from max performance take-off. aka 'short field t/o and landing'
flare?
 
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i think he means 'without increasing your nose attitude' - it follows that the aoa will increase if you hold the attitude, and the a/c slows down
Ah, now i get it. I land the aeroplane without increasing the angle of attack and without increasing the nose attitude. Who would have thought!
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Rat****,

I think you need to go back to flying school mate because the technique i explained is how WE TEACH STUDENTS TO LAND IN THE FIRST PLACE

Glad i dont have to instruct now ay!

And Someone asked about it being differant to a performance landing? well a performance landing you close the throttle in the flare and try for a more positive landing (ie harder impact) almost touching all three wheels at once.

If you dont land rat**** how i explained in the above post, i would love to hear your technique, would be interesting to talk about it with the boys over a few beers tonight!

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