PNG-why we get nostalgic.
Tinpis. Yu lapun tru!! 
Goff visited in '68 or '69 as Leader of the Opposition to stir up the radicals including you will recall, a few white trash.
I was at the RSL Club on Ela Beach the day he walked in the door. One of the planters recognised him and went over "You're Gough Whitlam aren't you?"
Gough put on his best smile and extended his right hand and .... BAM! A bunch of fives in the kisser. Only the security services stopped the planter landing a size ten boot as Gough went down!!!
He returned in 1972 as PM, promising the world. The rest is history........
Pinky and Chuck. It will never happen. Never in the history of the world has any nation been "re-colonised". PNG would not want it and Australia definately would not agree.
History suggests PNG will hit rock bottom and keep digging. Either there will be a bloody civil revolt or a stong man will emerge, leading to a form of Government which at least, serves the needs of the corrupt minority.
My adopted eldest daughter, a Papua New Guinean who many will remember, is caught up in the citizenship issue. She was born an Aussie, held an Aussie Passort, educated in PNG and New Zealand and lost her citizenship through acts of the Australian and PNG Parliaments. She can now only visit her family in Australia on a Tourist Visa!!!
Goff visited in '68 or '69 as Leader of the Opposition to stir up the radicals including you will recall, a few white trash.
I was at the RSL Club on Ela Beach the day he walked in the door. One of the planters recognised him and went over "You're Gough Whitlam aren't you?"
Gough put on his best smile and extended his right hand and .... BAM! A bunch of fives in the kisser. Only the security services stopped the planter landing a size ten boot as Gough went down!!!
He returned in 1972 as PM, promising the world. The rest is history........
Pinky and Chuck. It will never happen. Never in the history of the world has any nation been "re-colonised". PNG would not want it and Australia definately would not agree.
History suggests PNG will hit rock bottom and keep digging. Either there will be a bloody civil revolt or a stong man will emerge, leading to a form of Government which at least, serves the needs of the corrupt minority.
My adopted eldest daughter, a Papua New Guinean who many will remember, is caught up in the citizenship issue. She was born an Aussie, held an Aussie Passort, educated in PNG and New Zealand and lost her citizenship through acts of the Australian and PNG Parliaments. She can now only visit her family in Australia on a Tourist Visa!!!
Torres
I see yesterday in the Sydney Morning Herald there was a skirmish with shots fired at the Australian High Commission in POM - a number of Papuans complaining that they had lost their rights to Australian Citizenship at Independence - and now the country is dominated by New Guineans.
They wanted that right reinstated.
Cheers
BB
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I see yesterday in the Sydney Morning Herald there was a skirmish with shots fired at the Australian High Commission in POM - a number of Papuans complaining that they had lost their rights to Australian Citizenship at Independence - and now the country is dominated by New Guineans.
They wanted that right reinstated.
Cheers
BB
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Bob. It raises an interesting legal question, how an Act of two Parliaments was able to extinguish the Constitutional rights of approximately one million Papuans, born Australians, in Papua, prior to Independence. My daughter, adopted at the age of five, is now 43 years old at which age she has no right to Australian citizenship on family grounds.
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I see no one has mentioned the United Nations meddling in the PNG independence stoush.
A team of UN "experts" on indepence lead by a Liberian named Eastman was told by the local PNG citizens to "Pi** Off"... (this was published in the "New Guinea Courier").
I was in such a mood at the Sunbird Club in Lae one evening that I had to be restrained from laying one on Eastman because of the bull dust he was sprouting in the club. Closest I came to hitting a non-white person. Appears we couldn't turn him out of the club because he was a guest at Transair Lodge!!!
How is Liberia doing now?
A team of UN "experts" on indepence lead by a Liberian named Eastman was told by the local PNG citizens to "Pi** Off"... (this was published in the "New Guinea Courier").
I was in such a mood at the Sunbird Club in Lae one evening that I had to be restrained from laying one on Eastman because of the bull dust he was sprouting in the club. Closest I came to hitting a non-white person. Appears we couldn't turn him out of the club because he was a guest at Transair Lodge!!!
How is Liberia doing now?
I was in such a mood at the Sunbird Club in Lae one evening that I had to be restrained from laying one on Eastman because of the bull dust he was sprouting in the club. Closest I came to hitting a non-white person.
And we thought you were such a nice guy!
I think the fear of the cost of welfare benefits prompted that decision at Independence time.
I was caught between a rock and a hard place being in TPNG at Independence time - being born in the UK but having been brought up in Australia - I had no passport as they were not needed in PNG pre Independence. Tried to come back to Australia - but the buggers wouldn've have me.
Changed their mind later though!
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BB
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I am not suggesting the Australian govt will reach a point where they just say "Ok you idiots have had 30+ years and you've fecked it up comprehensively...we are moving back in".
That could, clearly, never happen.
But in my view AIDs, which is out of control in PNG, is going to so devastate the population that the Australian Govt will be forced to take over the defence and administration of PNG to stop the Indonesians moving in.
Just like parts of Africa, where 40% (at least) of the sexually active population is HIV positive and where litterally Millions of children have been orphaned PNG is being devastated by AIDs, The PNG Govt has no idea what % of the population is infected and they have not the resources to find out.
PNG has a population of somewhere between 4 and 5 million people...at 'Independance' it was around 1 million.
WHO and the World Bank are openly talking about downgrading PNG from 'Developing' Nation status to 'Fecked Unit' and completely bypassing 'under developed'.
*Education opportunities for 98% of the population border on non existant.
*AIDs running unchecked.
*Politicians robbing the place blind
*Law and order issues they patently have no concept of how, or desire, to control.
* Infrastructure collapse
Just say AIDs kills 2.5 million...and that is entirely possible...even entirely likely over the next 5-10 yrs...lets face it people are dieing every week in PNG of AIDs and it's put down to 'black magic'....that will, effectively, wipe out the population between ages 12 and 50+.
Those PNG citizens in the older age bracket who are not infected will be dying of all the usual maladies they suffer from like malaria etc etc because the health system, what health 'system' that is available to the grass roots, is near useless. They will also be dying of plain old age...they don't live to be very old anyway.
That will leave a population of maybe 2 million...predominately uneducated young people.
Those members of the current ruling elite and their children (who escape with their health intact) would have long since moved to Australia to oversea their vaste real estate holdings.
Australia absolutely will not be able to just stand back under the above scenario and let the Indons take over 'East Irian' with all that entails security wise in the current world geopolitical climate.
I predict within 10 yrs Australia will be administering PNG and have large defence assetts based there facing off against Indonesia at the border.
If what has happened to PNG in the last 32 years since 'Independance' makes you sad or leaves a bitter taste just wait for the next 10
That could, clearly, never happen.
But in my view AIDs, which is out of control in PNG, is going to so devastate the population that the Australian Govt will be forced to take over the defence and administration of PNG to stop the Indonesians moving in.
Just like parts of Africa, where 40% (at least) of the sexually active population is HIV positive and where litterally Millions of children have been orphaned PNG is being devastated by AIDs, The PNG Govt has no idea what % of the population is infected and they have not the resources to find out.
PNG has a population of somewhere between 4 and 5 million people...at 'Independance' it was around 1 million.
WHO and the World Bank are openly talking about downgrading PNG from 'Developing' Nation status to 'Fecked Unit' and completely bypassing 'under developed'.
*Education opportunities for 98% of the population border on non existant.
*AIDs running unchecked.
*Politicians robbing the place blind
*Law and order issues they patently have no concept of how, or desire, to control.
* Infrastructure collapse
Just say AIDs kills 2.5 million...and that is entirely possible...even entirely likely over the next 5-10 yrs...lets face it people are dieing every week in PNG of AIDs and it's put down to 'black magic'....that will, effectively, wipe out the population between ages 12 and 50+.
Those PNG citizens in the older age bracket who are not infected will be dying of all the usual maladies they suffer from like malaria etc etc because the health system, what health 'system' that is available to the grass roots, is near useless. They will also be dying of plain old age...they don't live to be very old anyway.
That will leave a population of maybe 2 million...predominately uneducated young people.
Those members of the current ruling elite and their children (who escape with their health intact) would have long since moved to Australia to oversea their vaste real estate holdings.
Australia absolutely will not be able to just stand back under the above scenario and let the Indons take over 'East Irian' with all that entails security wise in the current world geopolitical climate.
I predict within 10 yrs Australia will be administering PNG and have large defence assetts based there facing off against Indonesia at the border.
If what has happened to PNG in the last 32 years since 'Independance' makes you sad or leaves a bitter taste just wait for the next 10
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Chuckles; Whilst I suspect that given your scenario above that the Indonesians would want to take over what they do indeed refer to as East Irian, (Australia is South Irian to them BTW) I wonder if it would actually be possible for them to do so given the strife they are now having with the Separatists etc in what they already possess.
There would certainly be a few hotheads in amongst the Military and the Government, (One and the same some would think) but I think that their Military would find annexing PNG a bit 'One bridge too far', especially since that the Australian Government would have to respond to any Indonesian Military adventure of such like.
And if it came to that, my money would be on the Australian Defence Forces!
There would certainly be a few hotheads in amongst the Military and the Government, (One and the same some would think) but I think that their Military would find annexing PNG a bit 'One bridge too far', especially since that the Australian Government would have to respond to any Indonesian Military adventure of such like.
And if it came to that, my money would be on the Australian Defence Forces!
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Chuckles; Whilst I suspect that given your scenario above that the Indonesians would want to take over what they do indeed refer to as East Irian, (Australia is South Irian to them BTW) I wonder if it would actually be possible for them to do so given the strife they are now having with the Separatists etc in what they already possess.
There would certainly be a few hotheads in amongst the Military and the Government, (One and the same some would think) but I think that their Military would find annexing PNG a bit 'One bridge too far', especially since that the Australian Government would have to respond to any Indonesian Military adventure of such like.
And if it came to that, my money would be on the Australian Defence Forces!
There would certainly be a few hotheads in amongst the Military and the Government, (One and the same some would think) but I think that their Military would find annexing PNG a bit 'One bridge too far', especially since that the Australian Government would have to respond to any Indonesian Military adventure of such like.
And if it came to that, my money would be on the Australian Defence Forces!
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What seperatists issues elsewhere?
Aceh was becoming a non issue before the tsunami and when that happened the Free Aceh rebels just gave up...most of their support base, and a lot of their manpower I suspect, was drowned.
Gut PNG of the middle part of it's population, and that isn't a big number, and it will simply implode. The old assumption that when they hit rock bottom they'd start digging needs people to man shovels.
Aceh was becoming a non issue before the tsunami and when that happened the Free Aceh rebels just gave up...most of their support base, and a lot of their manpower I suspect, was drowned.
Gut PNG of the middle part of it's population, and that isn't a big number, and it will simply implode. The old assumption that when they hit rock bottom they'd start digging needs people to man shovels.
PNG has a population of somewhere between 4 and 5 million people...at 'Independance' it was around 1 million.
CIA:
Papua New Guinea — Population: 5,545,268
Ausaid:
"According to the 2000 Census, between 1980 and 2000 PNG's population grew by an annual average rate of 2.7% to 5.19 million.
The Southern Highlands Province, followed by Western New Britain, recorded the highest population growth of 4.2% and 3.8% respectively. Approximately half of PNG's total population is under 19 years old.
Most of the population live in rural communities based on the traditional village structure and dependent on subsistence farming supplemented by cash cropping. Only 15-20% of Papua New Guineans live in the main urban areas of Port Moresby, Lae, Madang, Mt Hagan and Goroka."
The Southern Highlands Province, followed by Western New Britain, recorded the highest population growth of 4.2% and 3.8% respectively. Approximately half of PNG's total population is under 19 years old.
Most of the population live in rural communities based on the traditional village structure and dependent on subsistence farming supplemented by cash cropping. Only 15-20% of Papua New Guineans live in the main urban areas of Port Moresby, Lae, Madang, Mt Hagan and Goroka."
I would be amazed if you ever again saw Australian defence assets in PNG in any great strength. Neither Australia nor PNG has any interest, will or intent on any form of de colonisation of PNG.
Ever wondered why you don't hear much about PNG illegal immigrants into Australia? Perhaps you think there are none? Think again........ And that is one area the illegal immigrants could turn into a torrent as the country hits rock bottom and keeps digging!
The Indonesians have little political interest in taking over PNG. Like the Malaysians, they will cherry pick PNG commerce for the raw materials required to meet the needs of their industries. They will gain the financial trade benefits without the head aches.
Rats.
"The very senario for which we acquired the Pig - to have the capability of bombing Jakarta from a secure base in nth Australia. We could not deal with the squillion strong Indon army in a convention land based conflict so we would have to go straight for the jugular!"
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Its been said time and time before but some countries still need to have it pointed out to them though thanfully, less each year.
"Its cheaper to trade than invade."
and
"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them."
"Its cheaper to trade than invade."
and
"Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them."
