Australia..First Jobs?
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Australia..First Jobs?
Am interested just to hear what all the aussies out there think about first jobs in australia (not instructing).. are there many around? and are the opportunities better than NZ for progressing in this industry in regards to experience. I know its probably all luck of the draw as you really need to grab the first job that is offered to you, but are there companies that people recomend that you can progress in and get that so-wanted twin and turbine time? Thoughts?
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inxs,
I would recommend you get your head out of the sand. You might hopefully realise oneday that our Kiwi brethren are almost exactly the same as us (apart from a slightly amusing difference in accent). I have, and still do work with some blokes from NZ who are of the highest quality in terms of piloting skills, and are also top blokes to boot. Maybe you should be asking yourself the question how many Aussies are currently in NZ flying (taking jobs off the Kiwi boys) before you make a silly remark.
I would recommend you get your head out of the sand. You might hopefully realise oneday that our Kiwi brethren are almost exactly the same as us (apart from a slightly amusing difference in accent). I have, and still do work with some blokes from NZ who are of the highest quality in terms of piloting skills, and are also top blokes to boot. Maybe you should be asking yourself the question how many Aussies are currently in NZ flying (taking jobs off the Kiwi boys) before you make a silly remark.
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Your attitude is unfortunately rather offensive.
I don't think anyone would be stealing a job from you......except you!
Its such a shame people still have these attitudes as it is such an impediment to acceptance and understanding of one another.
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Your attitude is unfortunately rather offensive.
I don't think anyone would be stealing a job from you......except you!
Its such a shame people still have these attitudes as it is such an impediment to acceptance and understanding of one another.
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Pull my head out of ther sand ..??! thats the trouble mate, I have and I'm echoing what a lot of Ozzies are whispering but not saying out aloud ( due fear of PC bullcrap!)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are not top blokes and I am not having a go at their character but blind Freddy can see what is happening in Oz GA.
BS - pray tell, what in the hell good jobs are going in NZ for Ozzies go to over there for ?? The only decent job an Ozzie can get over there is a jet job if they are lucky, and thats if you make it that far up the pecking order in this industry - those jobs are few and far between.
And, hey, I have heard many a Kiwi say they hate us Ozzies.............I shall say no more, before I say something I will regret later.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are not top blokes and I am not having a go at their character but blind Freddy can see what is happening in Oz GA.
BS - pray tell, what in the hell good jobs are going in NZ for Ozzies go to over there for ?? The only decent job an Ozzie can get over there is a jet job if they are lucky, and thats if you make it that far up the pecking order in this industry - those jobs are few and far between.
And, hey, I have heard many a Kiwi say they hate us Ozzies.............I shall say no more, before I say something I will regret later.
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Inxs is correct,
When you talk to kiwis about working in Australia and taking Aussie jobs they say you can go and work in N.Z.I then ask about the aviation industry in N.Z and I am told there really isnt one left.How would an aussie go trying to get a job at Air N.Z because there are plenty working for Qantas.New Zealand should stand on its own.
When you talk to kiwis about working in Australia and taking Aussie jobs they say you can go and work in N.Z.I then ask about the aviation industry in N.Z and I am told there really isnt one left.How would an aussie go trying to get a job at Air N.Z because there are plenty working for Qantas.New Zealand should stand on its own.
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Whoa, there are just as many Australians in New Zelaand as there are New Zealanders in Australia, percentage-wise. New Zealand and Australia have a close relationship so any "us and 'them' arguement is void. The only real difference between the two countries is that Australians have a funny accent and have lots of odd sayings.
There is a GA industry in NZ, the only reason its small is because it's a small country, the popultaion of NZ is similar to that of Greater Sydney. The Australian GA industry is the one that is dying and that is because of the gross negligence of CASA and the profit-first view of AirServices Australia.
There is a GA industry in NZ, the only reason its small is because it's a small country, the popultaion of NZ is similar to that of Greater Sydney. The Australian GA industry is the one that is dying and that is because of the gross negligence of CASA and the profit-first view of AirServices Australia.
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As long as theyre coming here and keeping the standards (not working for nothing etc etc) then good luck to em... made many a mate from kiwiland around the traps and theyre good blokes/chicks.
Also met many a d
khead from kiwiland who rattles on about the whole hating Australia crap but there's plenty of Aussie ones of those aswell anyway.
At least us east-coast aussies in knx had someone else to talk about rugby to
...disco
Also met many a d
khead from kiwiland who rattles on about the whole hating Australia crap but there's plenty of Aussie ones of those aswell anyway.At least us east-coast aussies in knx had someone else to talk about rugby to
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Onya Blue Light Disco - at least someone has the balls to stand-up and say what they feel. I agree, NZ can stand on their own, and Australia do the same.
Lets face it - they hate everything about Ozzies yet we are being over-run by them in droves (thats how much they love us, yeah ..??). And oh yes, the operators love it to pieces as they will exploit and milk them for what its worth.. probably more so than what an Ozzie would cop.
Glad to see they don't have access to the dole anymore, that might stem the tide just a tad.
Good luck any young Ozzie gals/guys trying to make it in GA nowadays - we now have 2 countries serving 1 GA !
Lets face it - they hate everything about Ozzies yet we are being over-run by them in droves (thats how much they love us, yeah ..??). And oh yes, the operators love it to pieces as they will exploit and milk them for what its worth.. probably more so than what an Ozzie would cop.
Glad to see they don't have access to the dole anymore, that might stem the tide just a tad.
Good luck any young Ozzie gals/guys trying to make it in GA nowadays - we now have 2 countries serving 1 GA !
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INXS..mate you need to find a nice quiet room..with some soft padded walls, so you can spout your bigoted drivel without fear of requiring a rhinoplasty at the end of it.
If you dont like the laws of your country..then I suggest you get of your moaning arse and go out an exercise your democratic rights..failing that keep your cakehole buttoned
For the record, I spent 2 fantastic years bush flying in Oz.(as a kiwi).....and your opinion represents a solid 1% of the Oz mates I ever had any direct dealings with. The other 99% I can happily call life-long friends who I would welcome into my home any day of the week.
INXS crawl back under your pathetic small minded self interested rock...with your attitude I'm certain that rhinoplasty is not far away
If you dont like the laws of your country..then I suggest you get of your moaning arse and go out an exercise your democratic rights..failing that keep your cakehole buttoned
For the record, I spent 2 fantastic years bush flying in Oz.(as a kiwi).....and your opinion represents a solid 1% of the Oz mates I ever had any direct dealings with. The other 99% I can happily call life-long friends who I would welcome into my home any day of the week.
INXS crawl back under your pathetic small minded self interested rock...with your attitude I'm certain that rhinoplasty is not far away
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INXS, do you know how many ozzies are working over in the UK at any given time? I bet you or many of your friends have worked (or will work) over in Europe, so it really doesn't pay to make such hypocritical statements.
I do notice, however, quite a lot of animosity between Kiwis and Ozzies. get over it. most people overseas can't even tell the difference.
I do notice, however, quite a lot of animosity between Kiwis and Ozzies. get over it. most people overseas can't even tell the difference.
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yep, I knew it, Haughtney another Kiwi sprouting off, but only this time, he does it from the safety & comfort of the UK where he can only find that job paying big bucks - couldn't get a job in NZ or Oz, so he's gone to UK where there are jobs galore.
Get real you blokes, don't be so naive, why do you think one of the prime reasons the Europeans (and mainly the Poms) set up the JAA - for job protection, too many ex-pats were taking their very own jobs, and who could blame them. consequently, an ex-pat has to go through the whole process again (re-inventing the wheel) of getting issue a JAA CPL or ATPL, which will cost you bucketloads (in pounds).
"rhinoplasty" - big word for a Kiwi, I am surprised...
Get real you blokes, don't be so naive, why do you think one of the prime reasons the Europeans (and mainly the Poms) set up the JAA - for job protection, too many ex-pats were taking their very own jobs, and who could blame them. consequently, an ex-pat has to go through the whole process again (re-inventing the wheel) of getting issue a JAA CPL or ATPL, which will cost you bucketloads (in pounds).
"rhinoplasty" - big word for a Kiwi, I am surprised...
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You're a nice guy INXS, perhaps you should go into politics? 
By the way, there are far more Expat Ozzies flying as Expats in the UK/Europe/Mid east/Asia/Africa, than ANY other nationality....I wonder if they would share your views? somehow I'd doubt it
Wrong..wrong..wrong, if that were even remotely true..the EU wouldn't have come into existence..and oh its being expanded!! hardly the actions on a protectionist attitude
The fact is the JAA was set up to achieve as much as possible commonality with the FAA....there still exists differences (as there would be with all the contracted states) but if you possessed an FAA license you would find the conversion much less expensive
The only reason its costly is because of the comparative weakness of the Oz dollar...which is a function of the value of the Oz economy, not as YOU put it "too many ex-pats were taking their very own jobs".
INXS you really DO need to get out a bit more and learn about how the real world works, all you are doing right now is proving to everyone how ignorant you are
By the way, there are far more Expat Ozzies flying as Expats in the UK/Europe/Mid east/Asia/Africa, than ANY other nationality....I wonder if they would share your views? somehow I'd doubt it
Get real you blokes, don't be so naive, why do you think one of the prime reasons the Europeans (and mainly the Poms) set up the JAA - for job protection, too many ex-pats were taking their very own jobs, and who could blame them.
The fact is the JAA was set up to achieve as much as possible commonality with the FAA....there still exists differences (as there would be with all the contracted states) but if you possessed an FAA license you would find the conversion much less expensive
The only reason its costly is because of the comparative weakness of the Oz dollar...which is a function of the value of the Oz economy, not as YOU put it "too many ex-pats were taking their very own jobs".
INXS you really DO need to get out a bit more and learn about how the real world works, all you are doing right now is proving to everyone how ignorant you are
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Goat, I cant say I can find fault with much you've said However INXS has chosen to play the man..rather than the ball, throwing around insults based on prejudice and bitter feelings, rather than making a rational and well constructed argument, for that reason (and the fact that he has seen fit to slagg off anything related to NZ in other threads) he has ZERO credibility.
Goat back to a couple of specific points you make...
Fair points, although NZ student loan holders still have an obligation to repay their debt..the method of how that debt is accrued is no fault of the individual. As for working below award rates..thats a two-way street, operators are just as culpable here..it is certainly not fair to lay the blame at the feet of nearest convenient NZer, indeed the same argument could be made for the numbers of Ozzies lining up to part with thousands of $$$ to get in the seat of a Bandit/Brasilia/Q400/737/320..lowering the T& C's for all concerned.
As an aside..I wonder how many Ozzies have investigated flying training in NZ after qualifying as a resident?
As do plenty of Ozzies in PNG or Africa...(many more than NZers in point of fact)
I'm afraid INXS and his comments bely this statement
At the end of the day, CASA and the Australian government are the real culprits here..if fingers need pointing
However INXS has chosen to play the man..rather than the ball, throwing around insults based on prejudice and bitter feelings, rather than making a rational and well constructed argument, for that reason (and the fact that he has seen fit to slagg off anything related to NZ in other threads) he has ZERO credibility.Goat back to a couple of specific points you make...
I think the bitterness or point that INXS is trying to make stems from the number of NZ pilots that are able to conduct their training on NZ Govt funded loan schemes and come over here to work for minimal/less then award rates in OZ. This makes it very hard for OZ pilots to make ends meet and pay off their large bank loans. Unfortunately there is no HECS/HELP for flying training in Australia.
As an aside..I wonder how many Ozzies have investigated flying training in NZ after qualifying as a resident?
Secondly many NZ pilots arrive in OZ with the attitude of getting some quick single and twin hours to meet the requirements to go straight back into a regional/jet job back in NZ
Its not an attack on the people themselves but rather the way they go about what they are doing and the effect it has on Australian pilots and GA
At the end of the day, CASA and the Australian government are the real culprits here..if fingers need pointing
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We do not need to import low priced pilots from NZ or anywhere else. We have thousands of our own who are working for very low wages, (or no wages) and just looking for log book hours. Some are even paying for the flying, on the assumption that they can leapfrog over their "mates" and get that glamourus, high paying airline job, next year. (maybe win the lottery as well). Many have learned this behaviour from todays airline pilots, as many of them did similar things to get where they are now. And guess what. Similar things are now happening iwithn our major airlines.
The sooner the multi crew pilot licence becomes available the better. Then people will know where they are heading. There will be two streams of newbies, with appropriate training, and better outlook. I think the transition period will look after itself, as some expensive simulators and programs will be required. This will take time.
We need pilots who will take GA seriously, and try to make it better. The ones who are here to exploit GA for a short time are doing enormous harm, and encouraging some apparently poor quality operators, and flying schools.
GA is VERY important to australia, and needs long term, commited pilots. Salaries CAN be reasonable, when the flood of "el cheapo" pilots slows down.
The sooner the multi crew pilot licence becomes available the better. Then people will know where they are heading. There will be two streams of newbies, with appropriate training, and better outlook. I think the transition period will look after itself, as some expensive simulators and programs will be required. This will take time.
We need pilots who will take GA seriously, and try to make it better. The ones who are here to exploit GA for a short time are doing enormous harm, and encouraging some apparently poor quality operators, and flying schools.
GA is VERY important to australia, and needs long term, commited pilots. Salaries CAN be reasonable, when the flood of "el cheapo" pilots slows down.
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Guys,
Enough of the Aussie vs Kiwi!
I know Kiwis who have made the massive leap over the ditch chasing their first GA job, and also Aussies who have come to Enzed to do the same thing!
And how about the Aussies who work in Australia for New Zealand companies like Vincent Aviation in Darwin? I'm sure someone like INXS would jump at the chance to fly a 1900 there!
Enough b@%^hing, all of us dunnunder and in the godzone are in the same boat and help each other out.
Currently i'm working my first GA job in Africa, and there are not just kiwis and aussies here but also plenty of poms, most of who have left the UK, flight trained in NZ or AUS before heading here!
JETA1 -
If you want some great flying come over to Botswana there are heaps of entry level jobs, the flying is good, there is lots of it (80-100 hrs per month) good oppertunities for twin turbine after a couple of years, and you won't have to put up with whining Australians like INXS.
DOG
Enough of the Aussie vs Kiwi!
I know Kiwis who have made the massive leap over the ditch chasing their first GA job, and also Aussies who have come to Enzed to do the same thing!
And how about the Aussies who work in Australia for New Zealand companies like Vincent Aviation in Darwin? I'm sure someone like INXS would jump at the chance to fly a 1900 there!
Enough b@%^hing, all of us dunnunder and in the godzone are in the same boat and help each other out.
Currently i'm working my first GA job in Africa, and there are not just kiwis and aussies here but also plenty of poms, most of who have left the UK, flight trained in NZ or AUS before heading here!
JETA1 -
If you want some great flying come over to Botswana there are heaps of entry level jobs, the flying is good, there is lots of it (80-100 hrs per month) good oppertunities for twin turbine after a couple of years, and you won't have to put up with whining Australians like INXS.
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- gees you guys get sucked in or what....... ??!!
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