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Could an Instructor out there please explain to me why they use aerodromes for their prec. search training whilst combining the exercise with a cross country exercise.
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When I was instructing I would usually do the initial one at an airfield, then on the way back home, use our schools approved low flying paddock to get them to try it out, into a paddock this time. Usually started with some IF, taking them lower and lower, then at 500' they became "visual" and set it up into (obvisouly not landing) the paddock.
Seemed to work well and gives the student an idea what to expect in real life. A paddock is somewhat different to an airstrip in most cases. Some of those PNG ones would give the paddock a run for its money
Seemed to work well and gives the student an idea what to expect in real life. A paddock is somewhat different to an airstrip in most cases. Some of those PNG ones would give the paddock a run for its money
Paddock or runway the theory is pretty much the same.
I have never, (touch wood) had to carry out an off airport landing, how ever I have carried out many prec landing runs.
i.e. the info gained from the runway/land owner can be doubtful at best, termite mounds, long grass live stock
Need to check it out prior to landing!
If there is an area where the owner had no concerns about low flying aircraft excellent, but at the end of the day, makes little difference.
I have never, (touch wood) had to carry out an off airport landing, how ever I have carried out many prec landing runs.
i.e. the info gained from the runway/land owner can be doubtful at best, termite mounds, long grass live stock
Need to check it out prior to landing!
If there is an area where the owner had no concerns about low flying aircraft excellent, but at the end of the day, makes little difference.
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When I did my PPL in 1982 the Flying School had a designated low flying area about 10nm west of the airfield where the precautionary S & L was taught.
The training has come in useful on many an occasion when I was flying a Pawnee involved in Glider Towing. I have had to retrieve many a hapless Glider Pilot from an outlanding and I always use the above mentioned procedure to determine whether or not the paddock is suitable to put the Pawnee down and indeed if it's suitable to take off with the Glider on tow. Admittedly my previous Gliding experience with not a few outlandings does assist in my decision as whether to land or not.
Awol57; Your comment re the PNG airstrips is spot on!
There are several strips in the Goilala that would scare the bejaysus out of some of the Glider Tug Pilots I know.
The training has come in useful on many an occasion when I was flying a Pawnee involved in Glider Towing. I have had to retrieve many a hapless Glider Pilot from an outlanding and I always use the above mentioned procedure to determine whether or not the paddock is suitable to put the Pawnee down and indeed if it's suitable to take off with the Glider on tow. Admittedly my previous Gliding experience with not a few outlandings does assist in my decision as whether to land or not.
Awol57; Your comment re the PNG airstrips is spot on!
There are several strips in the Goilala that would scare the bejaysus out of some of the Glider Tug Pilots I know.
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Thanks for your replies. I am an ag. pilot here in Victoria and I guess I very rarely land on an airstrip as such, mainly in and out of paddocks often not checked from the ground pror to getting there. On the odd occasion that we work out of an airfield it amazes me watching the prec search technique. Having had to make a couple of off field landings due to wx I can tell you that if you can climb to 500' agl after your initial inspection it will be very difficult to locate the paddock again, remember visibility is generally poor. For this reason I think what we are teaching the students at the moment is quite dangerous and a cause for concern.
I also think the theory that airstip or paddock is pretty much the same, is wrong. The student needs to be out of his/her comfort zone, and flying down the runway that they have landed on 100 times before wont do it. I think it is a mistake teaching prec searches on an airfield and if one of your students ever gets into the situation of having to make an off field landing for real, if you ask them in hindsight, I think they will agree with me.
I also think the theory that airstip or paddock is pretty much the same, is wrong. The student needs to be out of his/her comfort zone, and flying down the runway that they have landed on 100 times before wont do it. I think it is a mistake teaching prec searches on an airfield and if one of your students ever gets into the situation of having to make an off field landing for real, if you ask them in hindsight, I think they will agree with me.
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there is the requirement to remain above 500' AGL unless actually taking off or landing. so if you do not have permission to land on the paddock, you should not be descending below 500'. that restriction would prevent any sort of effective demonstration or test, so that is why aerodromes are favoured by instructors and ATOs.
CAR 157 (4)(d), however, allows descent below 500' if conducting baulked approach practice under the supervision of an instructor or check pilot. if such practice is conducted at the conclusion of the PSL, then descent below 500 seems to be permissible.
CAR 157 (4)(d), however, allows descent below 500' if conducting baulked approach practice under the supervision of an instructor or check pilot. if such practice is conducted at the conclusion of the PSL, then descent below 500 seems to be permissible.
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there is the requirement to remain above 500' AGL unless actually taking off or landing. so if you do not have permission to land on the paddock, you should not be descending below 500'. that restriction would prevent any sort of effective demonstration or test, so that is why aerodromes are favoured by instructors and ATOs.
CAR 157 (4)(d), however, allows descent below 500' if conducting baulked approach practice under the supervision of an instructor or check pilot. if such practice is conducted at the conclusion of the PSL, then descent below 500 seems to be permissible.
CAR 157 (4)(d), however, allows descent below 500' if conducting baulked approach practice under the supervision of an instructor or check pilot. if such practice is conducted at the conclusion of the PSL, then descent below 500 seems to be permissible.
I always used to do the first one on a known strip and then the rest as off-airport landings.
