Surplus of Grade3 Instructors.
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Surplus of Grade3 Instructors.
There appears to be a large surplus of Gr.3 instructors floating around. I have just returned from Sydney and there are schools there with nearly 30 instructors on their books with only a few in permanent employment, yet there are several schools around the country offering Instructor Rating Courses every few months.
There are schools in Melbourne and their surrounds offering internships of 100 hours after completion of their Instructor Ratings as an inducement for students to do their training with them, knowing fully well there are many junior instructors looking for employment and thereby creating an even larger number of unemployed or casually employed pilots around the country.
Pilots considering undertaking an Instructor Rating course should be made aware that it is going to be a long time before they get permanent employment and that it’s only after they achieve a Gr.2 with an Instrument Rating and META that their employment opportunities improve. As Bushy mentioned on another thread there is going to be more and more casual employment offered. So you airline aspirants consider carefully before you spend your or your parents money. The days of the highly paid airline pilot is over and the days of the lowly paid, overworked GA pilots have begun.
There are schools in Melbourne and their surrounds offering internships of 100 hours after completion of their Instructor Ratings as an inducement for students to do their training with them, knowing fully well there are many junior instructors looking for employment and thereby creating an even larger number of unemployed or casually employed pilots around the country.
Pilots considering undertaking an Instructor Rating course should be made aware that it is going to be a long time before they get permanent employment and that it’s only after they achieve a Gr.2 with an Instrument Rating and META that their employment opportunities improve. As Bushy mentioned on another thread there is going to be more and more casual employment offered. So you airline aspirants consider carefully before you spend your or your parents money. The days of the highly paid airline pilot is over and the days of the lowly paid, overworked GA pilots have begun.
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I just cant believe all this. Ive wasted 2 yrs of my life as a part time instructor and still no grade 2, i wish i knew about China southern back then. Ive seen new instructors get from jnr 3 to grade 1 META in less then 2 yrs. So why dont they leave their comfort zone and come west, all it takes is a little effort and being willing to learn. China Southen is in need of so many instructors that they are offering jobs to just CPL pilot. All they need to do is sit a written test and a flight check, if they pass that they do their instructor rating (which the pilot will pay for) once thats finished u are 100% guaranteed. So what more do you want
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"The days of the highly paid airline pilot is over and the days of the lowly paid, overworked GA pilots have begun."
Whilst I agree with the first part of the sentence....the second part is nonsense.....GA pilots have always been overworked!
Whilst I agree with the first part of the sentence....the second part is nonsense.....GA pilots have always been overworked!
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So what does it take to go from Grade 3 to grade 2? Is it a certain amount of instruction given? It's a while since I flew in Australia but from what I remember grade 3's can only teach VFR is that right?
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It took me a about a year and half to achieve a grade 2 because of the oversupply of G3s. Its really tough in the beginning, but if you get into one of those large colleges in the west then progression can be quick.
Sort of, Weasil.
Both Gr3 & Gr2 instructors are both limited to VFR (incl. N.VFR) unless the instructor has an IR and does a flight test to get approved to do IR instructing. A Gr.1 instructor rating automatically gives an instructor holding an IR the training approval.
There are various other restrictions for the different levels of instructor ratings and instructing experience.
Both Gr3 & Gr2 instructors are both limited to VFR (incl. N.VFR) unless the instructor has an IR and does a flight test to get approved to do IR instructing. A Gr.1 instructor rating automatically gives an instructor holding an IR the training approval.
There are various other restrictions for the different levels of instructor ratings and instructing experience.
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Grade2 Casual.
Recently there have been advertisments for Gr.2 with CIR to work casual. So whats next? perhaps CFI, Gr.1 casual. If you can't survive on those salaries work in a pub to make up the rest of the income.
Unfortunately, still too many would be pilots coming through the system, benefiting those employers who treat their staff in this manner.
Time you guys woke up.
Unfortunately, still too many would be pilots coming through the system, benefiting those employers who treat their staff in this manner.
Time you guys woke up.
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MBA747,
Doesn't (or didn't) your daughter have an instructor's job? Is this why you are so upset, or are you trying to scare everyone else off to prevent them from stealing her students?
Doesn't (or didn't) your daughter have an instructor's job? Is this why you are so upset, or are you trying to scare everyone else off to prevent them from stealing her students?
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She doesen't need students, She's on a A320 course overseas, the options she had most young guys don't have.
Its a pity some people create false hope for the unwary, causing a lot of heart ache and debt for the students or their parents.
Its a pity some people create false hope for the unwary, causing a lot of heart ache and debt for the students or their parents.
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New G3s don't be discouraged!
There are quite a few fulltime jobs available for G3 instructors especially with airline owned colleges, and progression on twins can be fast if your qualified. In some cases the pay can exceed that of an FO for a regional. The instructing path to an airline can be good if you play your cards right.
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Unfortunately for the Gr.3 and now the Gr.2's the supply of instructors far exceed the demand and the few airline owned flying schools cant soak up the supply. As far as moving, as per an earlier post the the casual job does not cover living expenses so although I am willing to move it would be financial lunacy.
I hope when I get my Gr.1 the opportunities improve.
I hope when I get my Gr.1 the opportunities improve.
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Instructing
Ah! just a quick question for any instructors out there who may know. I held a "B" grade instructor rating over 20 years ago with twin training and endorsement approval, also CFI and PPL licence test aproval. Have been flying airliners ever since, WHAT would I probably have to do to renew inst rating and could I go straight to Grade 2 or something like that. No guesses from anyone thanks, this is a serious question and hope someone can answer it. Thanks
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2dotsright.
A and B grade instructor ratings translate to a Gr.1. All that is required is a renewal,however you will need recurrent training to get up to scratch.
I'm in the same boat perhaps we can start up a school and get these Gr.3 and Gr.2 instructors to fly for us for nothing. There seem to be a lot of willing slaves.
On the other hand with the age limit being raised to 65 world wide from next month, there will be more dreamers available to employ. Just remember guys the increase in age limit will reduce the number of airline intakes. Perhaps we just stay where we are and let the juniors fight over the bones.
I'm in the same boat perhaps we can start up a school and get these Gr.3 and Gr.2 instructors to fly for us for nothing. There seem to be a lot of willing slaves.
On the other hand with the age limit being raised to 65 world wide from next month, there will be more dreamers available to employ. Just remember guys the increase in age limit will reduce the number of airline intakes. Perhaps we just stay where we are and let the juniors fight over the bones.
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Hey, that's a great idea 747, I was thinking more along the lines of having the G2's and 3's actually paying for the privelige of working for us though hahahahah!! Just kidding fellas, but thanks for the info about the reissue of the rating anyway.
Doing this till age 65 Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!! No thanks..
Doing this till age 65 Aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!! No thanks..
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Air hours slashed for Ailine Copilots.
Well guys the writing is on the wall, fewer hours in the air means less instructors required, but if you think instructing is the way to go, go ahead. soon you will be paying the flying schools to get the hours.
Read the earlier thread and keep up to date with whats happening around the world before spending your hard earned dollars. Aviation at all levels are going south. Suggest you go overseas to try your luck.
Read the earlier thread and keep up to date with whats happening around the world before spending your hard earned dollars. Aviation at all levels are going south. Suggest you go overseas to try your luck.
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Gawd MBA,
You really need to get out and enjoy life.
Glad to hear that your daughter has her opportunity to do her overseas thing, but I can't see why a retired airline pilot (as you claim to be ) are so bitter. I've yet to read a positive post from you.
Perhaps the "nearly 30 instructors" at the flying schools in Sydney weren't willing to leave Mummy, Daddy, and Sydney?
As was previously posted, CS are so short of instructors that they're willing to train a CPL to get his/her instructor rating! All it costs is one years bond! They pay for for the rating!!
Cheers
You really need to get out and enjoy life.
Glad to hear that your daughter has her opportunity to do her overseas thing, but I can't see why a retired airline pilot (as you claim to be ) are so bitter. I've yet to read a positive post from you.
Perhaps the "nearly 30 instructors" at the flying schools in Sydney weren't willing to leave Mummy, Daddy, and Sydney?
As was previously posted, CS are so short of instructors that they're willing to train a CPL to get his/her instructor rating! All it costs is one years bond! They pay for for the rating!!
Cheers