Light aircraft down north of Bathurst
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i have just heard of a light plane crash north of bathurst, 2 POB. departed bathurst for Bansktown.... Condolences to all involved.
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News just described it as a "Strikemaster" on an aerobatic flight. Firefighters had been called out to a fire and found the wreckage in the course of fighting the fire. Assumed to have started the fire.
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FROM BREAKING NEWS:
An Australian Search and Rescue (AusSAR) spokeswoman has said an NRMA CareFlight paramedic was winched down to the crash site late this afternoon.
He found two men dead in the wreckage of the aircraft, she said.
The Strikemaster aerobatics plane was on a joyflight when it crashed near Winburndale, about 16km north of Bathurst, about 3.15pm (AEST), authorities have said.
The crashed plane ignited a 4ha bushfire in a state forest.
A Rural Fire Service (RFS) spokeswoman said a State Forests aircraft was waterbombing the fire and about 24 firefighters were on the ground.
An Australian Search and Rescue (AusSAR) spokeswoman has said an NRMA CareFlight paramedic was winched down to the crash site late this afternoon.
He found two men dead in the wreckage of the aircraft, she said.
The Strikemaster aerobatics plane was on a joyflight when it crashed near Winburndale, about 16km north of Bathurst, about 3.15pm (AEST), authorities have said.
The crashed plane ignited a 4ha bushfire in a state forest.
A Rural Fire Service (RFS) spokeswoman said a State Forests aircraft was waterbombing the fire and about 24 firefighters were on the ground.
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I hope its not the Strikemaster that departed williy yesterday afternoon! we helped move the aircraft from in front of the hangar to get a hornet out. the guys doing the pre flight were good blokes....
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may have broken up in midairBy Katherine Danks and Vincent Morello
October 05, 2006 07:50pm
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AN ex-military jet that crashed in central New South Wales today killing two men on a joyflight may have broken up in midair.
The pair were flying from Bathurst in a Strikemaster aerobatics aircraft which went down in the Winburndale Nature Reserve in the Turon State Forest today.
The exact time of the crash is unclear but Canberra-based Australian Search and Rescue (AusSAR) requested NRMA CareFlight send a helicopter to look for the missing aircraft about 3pm (AEST).
Former miliary jets are usually equipped with ejector seats, but it's not clear whether this aircraft had them.
NRMA CareFlight senior pilot Ken Vote, who first spotted the wreckage, said the tail of the aircraft was some distance from its fuselage.
"I would suspect that it's suffered some sort of in-flight break-up," he said.
"It's hard to imagine that this piece has hit the ground with the rest of it and bounced a half a mile through the trees.
"It was certainly confirmed in my mind, even when I first arrived, that there would be no survivors."
He said the crash ignited a bushfire that spread over four ha.
"The search in fact was quite easy because about 15 miles (24km) out I saw an isolated bushfire and suspected that this may have been started by an aircraft accident," Mr Vote said.
Two firefighting aircraft arrived on the scene in response to reports of a bushfire, but were unaware what had caused it, Mr Vote said.
An NRMA CareFlight paramedic winched down to the main crash site about 5pm (AEST) confirmed that both men were dead.
NSW Police say it will take some time to reach the site by land because of the remote, difficult terrain.
October 05, 2006 07:50pm
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AN ex-military jet that crashed in central New South Wales today killing two men on a joyflight may have broken up in midair.
The pair were flying from Bathurst in a Strikemaster aerobatics aircraft which went down in the Winburndale Nature Reserve in the Turon State Forest today.
The exact time of the crash is unclear but Canberra-based Australian Search and Rescue (AusSAR) requested NRMA CareFlight send a helicopter to look for the missing aircraft about 3pm (AEST).
Former miliary jets are usually equipped with ejector seats, but it's not clear whether this aircraft had them.
NRMA CareFlight senior pilot Ken Vote, who first spotted the wreckage, said the tail of the aircraft was some distance from its fuselage.
"I would suspect that it's suffered some sort of in-flight break-up," he said.
"It's hard to imagine that this piece has hit the ground with the rest of it and bounced a half a mile through the trees.
"It was certainly confirmed in my mind, even when I first arrived, that there would be no survivors."
He said the crash ignited a bushfire that spread over four ha.
"The search in fact was quite easy because about 15 miles (24km) out I saw an isolated bushfire and suspected that this may have been started by an aircraft accident," Mr Vote said.
Two firefighting aircraft arrived on the scene in response to reports of a bushfire, but were unaware what had caused it, Mr Vote said.
An NRMA CareFlight paramedic winched down to the main crash site about 5pm (AEST) confirmed that both men were dead.
NSW Police say it will take some time to reach the site by land because of the remote, difficult terrain.
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one of the guys i work with is licenced to overhaul the ejection seats in the MIG 15s, and various aircraft including the strikemaster..
when the Mig 15 went down a few yrs back now, he applied to CASA for approval to Inspect and overhaul the ejection seats, CASA denied his aplications
and permited the aircraft to fly with Non functioning ejection seats..
i am starting to wonder how many lives allowing somone to overhaul and make those seat operational could actually be saved....
when the Mig 15 went down a few yrs back now, he applied to CASA for approval to Inspect and overhaul the ejection seats, CASA denied his aplications
and permited the aircraft to fly with Non functioning ejection seats..
i am starting to wonder how many lives allowing somone to overhaul and make those seat operational could actually be saved....
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Yet another sad event for Australian aviation... Thoughts go with the victims involved...
I have shared the circuit at Bathurst with that aircraft a few times (always with plenty of consideration being given to the speed difference...).
I hope this doesn't start a suffocation of the wonderful wardbird movement. Remember the aircraft would have had one of those placards to the effect of 'persons flying in this aircraft do so at their own risk' - there are risks and unique challenges associated with maintaining and flying old (sometimes ancient) aircraft but to imagine an aviation world without them would be a bland picture indeed...
Thoughts go with the victims involved...I have shared the circuit at Bathurst with that aircraft a few times (always with plenty of consideration being given to the speed difference...).
I hope this doesn't start a suffocation of the wonderful wardbird movement. Remember the aircraft would have had one of those placards to the effect of 'persons flying in this aircraft do so at their own risk' - there are risks and unique challenges associated with maintaining and flying old (sometimes ancient) aircraft but to imagine an aviation world without them would be a bland picture indeed...
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If the seats were armed what would be the chance of an untrained person causing themselves a lot of pain or ejecting in error. Inexperienced people tend not to take too much in during briefings etc. I know ejection setas are an additional piece of safety equipment but they in themselves surely pose an element of risk to the untrained. Which risk is greater ?
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It would indeed be a shame to see the finger pointed at the Limited category, or experimental for that matter. It's a tough call with these aircraft - built to a military C of A, but operated with Civilians and it's harsh to think that you might sign a waiver and you might not come back. It's no secret that under Limited the aircraft is not maintained to airliner standards, however where do you draw the line on maintance... don't know where I'm headed with this paragraph so I'll end it here.
I would hope that the ATSB performs an enquiry even though it's Limited.
Most disappointing on the news to see the TV crew filming the deceased's family waiting in the terminal and zooming in on their faces when they (the TV crew) obviously knew what had happened and the family didn't yet. A wife and 2 kids without their husband and father, most disturbing, not to mention the pilot.
Fly safe everyone.
I would hope that the ATSB performs an enquiry even though it's Limited.
Most disappointing on the news to see the TV crew filming the deceased's family waiting in the terminal and zooming in on their faces when they (the TV crew) obviously knew what had happened and the family didn't yet. A wife and 2 kids without their husband and father, most disturbing, not to mention the pilot.
Fly safe everyone.
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Does anyone know if this was the Strikemaster based at Ballarat ? If so I flew in this aircraft & yes the ejector seats were inactive however we were wearing parachutes & the briefing was quite good on how we were to exit the aircraft midair if there was a problem.
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Ultralights...
The question of wether retaining operational ejector seats in warbirds is not a simple one. By virtue of the design of the earlier systems they really warrant extensive training in their operation and the risk of their use as a lifesaver versus inadvertent or incorrect use becomes highly debatable.
For those who would argue that that any shot at ejection is better than no shot, there was a large hangar in Somalia with several fighter aircraft stored there after being abandoned in the mayhem. A war journo thought it would be an adventure to check out the cockpit on one. Shortly after the hangar had a neat hole in the roof and the war was down one journo.
The question of wether retaining operational ejector seats in warbirds is not a simple one. By virtue of the design of the earlier systems they really warrant extensive training in their operation and the risk of their use as a lifesaver versus inadvertent or incorrect use becomes highly debatable.
For those who would argue that that any shot at ejection is better than no shot, there was a large hangar in Somalia with several fighter aircraft stored there after being abandoned in the mayhem. A war journo thought it would be an adventure to check out the cockpit on one. Shortly after the hangar had a neat hole in the roof and the war was down one journo.
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Firstly, my condolences and deepest symathies to the loved ones of the deceased. May you find the strength to get through this.
A similar accident occurred to a local working on an F-5 (?) in Malaysia some years ago.
The fact that some stupid journo with no knowledge or respect for aircraft fcuked up illustrates the fact that in the ejection seat is lethal in the hands of idiots.
After 3,000+ hours on bang seats, I swear by them - provided they are properly maintained, and given the proper training.
I understand that all warbirds in Australia that may have had functioning ejection seats in their previous lives must have those seats rendered inactive. Happy to stand corrected if that's not the case.
[For those who would argue that that any shot at ejection is better than no shot, there was a large hangar in Somalia with several fighter aircraft stored there after being abandoned in the mayhem. A war journo thought it would be an adventure to check out the cockpit on one. Shortly after the hangar had a neat hole in the roof and the war was down one journo.
The fact that some stupid journo with no knowledge or respect for aircraft fcuked up illustrates the fact that in the ejection seat is lethal in the hands of idiots.
After 3,000+ hours on bang seats, I swear by them - provided they are properly maintained, and given the proper training.
I understand that all warbirds in Australia that may have had functioning ejection seats in their previous lives must have those seats rendered inactive. Happy to stand corrected if that's not the case.