What's the story in Class C airspace?
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What's the story in Class C airspace?
I recently was inbound to YBTL on a "Rules = I and Type = G" plan, having flightplanned the ILS via the SATCO waypoint that leads onto the localiser, because I wanted to check the ILS coupling of my autopilot.
Conditions were 8/8 blue.
I was initially the only aircraft on the Approach Frequency - cleard direct to SATCO.
Then an RPT turboprop turned up on the APPR Freq - and next thing I know I am being vectored through a series of S turns to allow the RPT onto the ILS first.
Seems to me that I could have easily flown straight onto the ILS and landed ahead of the RPT without messing him about at all - but NO!
Anyone know what the rules are? Didn't seem like a fair go to me - I pay my money like everyone else.
BC
Conditions were 8/8 blue.
I was initially the only aircraft on the Approach Frequency - cleard direct to SATCO.
Then an RPT turboprop turned up on the APPR Freq - and next thing I know I am being vectored through a series of S turns to allow the RPT onto the ILS first.
Seems to me that I could have easily flown straight onto the ILS and landed ahead of the RPT without messing him about at all - but NO!
Anyone know what the rules are? Didn't seem like a fair go to me - I pay my money like everyone else.
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Hey there BC? LTNS! How they hang'in Bro?
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Townsville is run by the RAAF last I checked.
What were the types of aircraft were involved? If the Turbo required the ILS for operational reasons and you were both going to get there at the same time, then this is where the priority system kicks in.
And did you call ATC after and ask them about what happened? A friendly call to the ATC section is always a great place to start.
Cheers,
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PS The MIL don't charge for their services, only the aerodrome operator.
What were the types of aircraft were involved? If the Turbo required the ILS for operational reasons and you were both going to get there at the same time, then this is where the priority system kicks in.
And did you call ATC after and ask them about what happened? A friendly call to the ATC section is always a great place to start.
Cheers,
NFR.
PS The MIL don't charge for their services, only the aerodrome operator.
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All I can say is call and ask why. Sequencing is not as cut and dry as it seems from the air. Maybe you could have got in front, maybe not. As an ATC myself, I am always happy to have aircrew ring and discuss things - I doubt there is an ATC who thinks otherwise.
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I fully agree with NFR; ring if you're not happy and the explaination will be easily recalled. Sometimes, you are the pidgeon, sometimes the statue.
On frequency first doesn't always mean first from the threashold; ETA's are determined to organise the sequence, dead-heat is when the priorities apply.
I often intervene (to reduce "last minute" sequencing) and give sequencing instructions on the surrounding unit frequencies; so not all is always revealed on a single frequency.
I've had many an unhappy "4 bars" on freq when sequencing, the one I recall was an absolute spray I got when I vectored an aircraft to follow his company traffic from Melbourne, but still in front of the opposition from the same ADEST; ended something like "Centre, it is absolutely ridiculous that we are being vectored number two to XXX"; I said you started forty miles in front of XXX, and now you are 20 in front and you're both following the Melbourne traffic. Every aircraft airborne is eventually number one.
Rule of thumb, nobody likes being number two; even less being number 22, but unless someone is actually number 22 then the system just doesn't work.
On frequency first doesn't always mean first from the threashold; ETA's are determined to organise the sequence, dead-heat is when the priorities apply.
I often intervene (to reduce "last minute" sequencing) and give sequencing instructions on the surrounding unit frequencies; so not all is always revealed on a single frequency.
I've had many an unhappy "4 bars" on freq when sequencing, the one I recall was an absolute spray I got when I vectored an aircraft to follow his company traffic from Melbourne, but still in front of the opposition from the same ADEST; ended something like "Centre, it is absolutely ridiculous that we are being vectored number two to XXX"; I said you started forty miles in front of XXX, and now you are 20 in front and you're both following the Melbourne traffic. Every aircraft airborne is eventually number one.
Rule of thumb, nobody likes being number two; even less being number 22, but unless someone is actually number 22 then the system just doesn't work.
