"Police Are Interviewing the Pilot?"
Thread Starter
"Police Are Interviewing the Pilot?"
A light aircraft has crashed near Sale, all on board are OK according to the ABC.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...9/s1742181.htm
I note the ABC report contains the phrase "police are interviewing the pilot". Perhaps I'm a little sensitive, but, if this is true, I have to ask the question, to what purpose are the police interviewing the pilot? The implication seems to be to ascertain whether an offence has been committed.
Leaving aside the obvious question regarding police knowledge of things aeronautical and accompanying regulations, I've been 'interviewed" by the police at YMMB after an "incident" because they seem to tag along every time the fire brigade is called. It is not pleasant to have to give name and address and description of events even if the police are on their best behaviour.
Am I just wasting bandwidth or does anyone else share my concern?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...9/s1742181.htm
I note the ABC report contains the phrase "police are interviewing the pilot". Perhaps I'm a little sensitive, but, if this is true, I have to ask the question, to what purpose are the police interviewing the pilot? The implication seems to be to ascertain whether an offence has been committed.
Leaving aside the obvious question regarding police knowledge of things aeronautical and accompanying regulations, I've been 'interviewed" by the police at YMMB after an "incident" because they seem to tag along every time the fire brigade is called. It is not pleasant to have to give name and address and description of events even if the police are on their best behaviour.
Am I just wasting bandwidth or does anyone else share my concern?
On the funny side, when I was waiting in a paddock for the ambulance after flying into a powerline, one of the swarm of local coppers wandered over for a "chat".
I think he eventually realised that his asking "why didn't you fly under the wires" was in the category of Useless Questions, and found an excuse to wander away, suitably chastened
I think he eventually realised that his asking "why didn't you fly under the wires" was in the category of Useless Questions, and found an excuse to wander away, suitably chastened
The four rules when being interviewed by police
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Looking forward to returning to Japan soon but in the meantime continuing the never ending search for a bad bottle of Red!
Age: 69
Posts: 2,971
Received 97 Likes
on
56 Posts
The subject of answering questions by the Constabulary has been brought up in several different threads in the past, so at the risk of repeating what has already been posted elsewhere;
If questioned by the Police after an incident/accident etc you are legally required to give your name and address, and nothing else!!!
AFAP members have some excellent advice given to them in the inside cover page of their diary which is distributed to all members and I quote from the first paragraph of the 'In the event of an accident or incident' section
"Say nothing until you have recieved advice."
'Nuff said.
If questioned by the Police after an incident/accident etc you are legally required to give your name and address, and nothing else!!!
AFAP members have some excellent advice given to them in the inside cover page of their diary which is distributed to all members and I quote from the first paragraph of the 'In the event of an accident or incident' section
"Say nothing until you have recieved advice."
'Nuff said.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Crookwell
Posts: 333
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For the record, from an emergency services point of view they dont just tag along everytime the fire brigade turns up, its a standard response SOP to have police in attendance (at discretion of the fire agency's incident controller), usually to deal with crap the firies dont want to have to deal with when they get there(control of bystanders, traffic etc etc) The most investigation police should be doing is noting of surroundings and maintaining a sterile accident scene to preserve evidence for the ATSB investigation.
Over-zealous cops probably want to take control of the situation (save the day) and question witnesses and the pilot, but are going beyond their authority in doing so.
...disco
Over-zealous cops probably want to take control of the situation (save the day) and question witnesses and the pilot, but are going beyond their authority in doing so.
...disco
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Down a dark hole
Posts: 301
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Don't get too paranoid!
Was interviewed by the cops after requesting assistance by mobile phone (did NOT declare an emergency) to check gear down in a C210 after electrical failure.
No big deal !
R
Was interviewed by the cops after requesting assistance by mobile phone (did NOT declare an emergency) to check gear down in a C210 after electrical failure.
No big deal !
R
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Established.
Age: 53
Posts: 658
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rat****
Why didn't you just look out the window? After using the alternate extension procedure it would be a reasonable assumption in a court of law that if the mains are down so is the nosewheel.
Why didn't you just look out the window? After using the alternate extension procedure it would be a reasonable assumption in a court of law that if the mains are down so is the nosewheel.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Down a dark hole
Posts: 301
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sydney NSW Australia
Posts: 3,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
after reading the story, it sounded like it was just a forced landing after the redrive unit threw a belt. no big deal.. as for the fuel leaking from the wings, im pretty sure the terrier has the fuel tank in the fuselage, though i could be wrong.. but even so, how would a snaped redrive belt puncture the wing??? hmmm love the media!
even so, are the police involved in every forced landing??
even so, are the police involved in every forced landing??
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Somewhere around 27degrees
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Rat****...............Quite an appropriate title you go by!
I think what you were trying to say to The Messiah was, "In my professional capacity as Pilot In Command at the time, I was merely doing my UTMOST to ensure the safety of the flight. To do otherwise may have been negligent in that same courtroom."
Oh hang on...........we're in D & G aren't we........
The old saying goes............"Put one band-aid on yer cut & one on yer mouth!"
Oh hang on...........we're in D & G aren't we........
The old saying goes............"Put one band-aid on yer cut & one on yer mouth!"
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Down a dark hole
Posts: 301
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think what you were trying to say to The Messiah was, "In my professional capacity as Pilot In Command at the time, I was merely doing my UTMOST to ensure the safety of the flight. To do otherwise may have been negligent in that same courtroom."
Oh hang on...........we're in D & G aren't we........
The old saying goes............"Put one band-aid on yer cut & one on yer mouth!"
Oh hang on...........we're in D & G aren't we........
The old saying goes............"Put one band-aid on yer cut & one on yer mouth!"
R
Man Bilong Balus long PNG
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Looking forward to returning to Japan soon but in the meantime continuing the never ending search for a bad bottle of Red!
Age: 69
Posts: 2,971
Received 97 Likes
on
56 Posts
Oh for Heaven's sake!
Yet another possibly important subject descends into just another slanging match.
Would a few posters please care to (re)read Danny's warning?
Would a few posters please care to (re)read Danny's warning?
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Australia
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You are required to give name and address to Police when asked.
If there has been a fatality, or the posibility of a fatality or a fire the Police will have to complete a report for the Coroner - you do not have to offer any other details than name and address but expect a visit later on.
Some officers can be a little officious but if you are polite and as such pass the attitude test they will come around.
They are only doing a job.
If there has been a fatality, or the posibility of a fatality or a fire the Police will have to complete a report for the Coroner - you do not have to offer any other details than name and address but expect a visit later on.
Some officers can be a little officious but if you are polite and as such pass the attitude test they will come around.
They are only doing a job.
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sydney
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The local police have autority over an aircraft accident/incident. They are charged with obtaining information because no doubt fire engines attended, maybe an ambo, and it has to be recorded as to what happened and why teh services were called. It's just a formality I'm sure. Standard practice.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sydney NSW Australia
Posts: 3,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the terrier 200 (C) Built by Foxfcon.
Power Subaru 100 Hp
Top Speed 120 Kts
Cruise Speed 110 Kts
Stall Speed 30 Kts
Gross Weight 544 kg
VNE 130 Kts
Empty Weight 334 kg
Rate of Climb 1500 ft/min
Fuel Capacity 80 Litres
Range 6 hrs
Fuel Consumption 13 ltr/hr
Take Off Distance 100 m
Landing Distance 100 m
Power Subaru 100 Hp
Top Speed 120 Kts
Cruise Speed 110 Kts
Stall Speed 30 Kts
Gross Weight 544 kg
VNE 130 Kts
Empty Weight 334 kg
Rate of Climb 1500 ft/min
Fuel Capacity 80 Litres
Range 6 hrs
Fuel Consumption 13 ltr/hr
Take Off Distance 100 m
Landing Distance 100 m
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Australia
Posts: 299
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have always been under the impression that state police had no authority when it comes all maters of aviation. ATSB, CASA and the federal police were the only ones. From a practicle point of view the average plod may be able to take a statment but lacks the knowledge to ask inteligent questions.
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Sydney
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Technically that may be true, but the Feds or CASA can't be expected to turn out to every accident/incident and interview the people involved etc. I know that at Bankstown for example, when the services turn out, the State Police are called directly to turn out and they control the scene etc (once the firies finish doing their thing and so forth) and then interview the pilots etc. I would imagine or more "investigation" was required, then CASA/ATSB would no doubt take over.
I have never seen the Feds at BK before... Investigating an accident I mean.
I have never seen the Feds at BK before... Investigating an accident I mean.
Check Attitude
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 476
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sunny, Starts with P is getting warm.
Visit the ATSB website, do a search on "Police".
The answers are there.
Accident Investigation is a federal function, as is Aviation regulation.
ATSB and the state police usually intertwine, despite any demarcation issues.
However, state police have over-riding powers in some circumstances, such as when death or injury result,
or there is a possibility that a crime may have been committed (the aircraft may have been used in regard to a crime).
The primary function of state police is normally to secure the site of an accident or incident,
to prevent interference to the scene pending the arrival of investigators, if appointed.
After all, they will usually be amongst the first public officials to arrive at the scene.
Sometimes the police will provide ATSB with details when ATSB are unable or cannot justify attendance.
Any questions initially asked by police will normally be in accordance with the ATSB handbook for police officer assistance,
and is normally to establish whether or not they have, or may have, some jurisdiction.
Usually, such as in your case, they can quickly determine the nature of the circumstances and ensure the right direction is taken.
Usually they will determine that they have no further interest.
Police of all states and the commonwealth have the power to detain or arrest, and do have the power to ask certain questions.
Likewise, you have a requirement to follow a lawful directive from a police officer, e.g. give your name and address, produce identification etc.
The state police will not and cannot institute proceedings against you for aviation offences, but can and may be a credible witness to such an offence.
So relax, answer the fairly simple questions if you can, and answer the mandatory ones as well.
If no one is hurt or killed, and you haven't committed a non aviation crime, that's normally the end of it.
Visit the ATSB website, do a search on "Police".
The answers are there.
Accident Investigation is a federal function, as is Aviation regulation.
ATSB and the state police usually intertwine, despite any demarcation issues.
However, state police have over-riding powers in some circumstances, such as when death or injury result,
or there is a possibility that a crime may have been committed (the aircraft may have been used in regard to a crime).
The primary function of state police is normally to secure the site of an accident or incident,
to prevent interference to the scene pending the arrival of investigators, if appointed.
After all, they will usually be amongst the first public officials to arrive at the scene.
Sometimes the police will provide ATSB with details when ATSB are unable or cannot justify attendance.
Any questions initially asked by police will normally be in accordance with the ATSB handbook for police officer assistance,
and is normally to establish whether or not they have, or may have, some jurisdiction.
Usually, such as in your case, they can quickly determine the nature of the circumstances and ensure the right direction is taken.
Usually they will determine that they have no further interest.
Police of all states and the commonwealth have the power to detain or arrest, and do have the power to ask certain questions.
Likewise, you have a requirement to follow a lawful directive from a police officer, e.g. give your name and address, produce identification etc.
The state police will not and cannot institute proceedings against you for aviation offences, but can and may be a credible witness to such an offence.
So relax, answer the fairly simple questions if you can, and answer the mandatory ones as well.
If no one is hurt or killed, and you haven't committed a non aviation crime, that's normally the end of it.
Thread Starter
Thank you for your considered advice Mainframe, I now understand their role. I will turn the paranoia down now. It is slightly unsettling to be talked to by the police after an incident thats all.