Conversion to ATPL - theory info.
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Conversion to ATPL - theory info.
Hi all,
Hoping all you in the know back in Oz could help steer me in the right direction.
I'm FAA licenced here in the US (ATP) and would like to find out about the ATPL conversion (With a view to taking the flight tests at some point in the next 12-16 months).
Is there somewhere I can get the theory subject material required, to study now?? I've looked at Advanced Flight Theory online and it seems pretty comprehensive.
Any thoughts/comments/advice appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Hoping all you in the know back in Oz could help steer me in the right direction.
I'm FAA licenced here in the US (ATP) and would like to find out about the ATPL conversion (With a view to taking the flight tests at some point in the next 12-16 months).
Is there somewhere I can get the theory subject material required, to study now?? I've looked at Advanced Flight Theory online and it seems pretty comprehensive.
Any thoughts/comments/advice appreciated. Thanks in advance.
At the moment no flight test required for the ATPL. All you need is a CPL + ATPL theory + Hrs
AFT are the place the go for the theory
. From memory, all you have to do is the airlaw exam.
AFT are the place the go for the theory
. From memory, all you have to do is the airlaw exam.
Not to jump on the other posters but I've just done the FAA to CASA conversion and what you need to do are, in this order:
CPL Air Law,
ATPL Air Law,
IREX.
Then take the Command Multi IR flight test.
You can pass both Air Law exams by picking up Bob Tait's book and the CAO's, CAR's, DAP's and getting used to where everything is. DO NOT attempt to try doing the IREX by self study, you'll fail it. If you are used to the FAA system, you'll find it is unlike any other exam you've taken.
CPL Air Law,
ATPL Air Law,
IREX.
Then take the Command Multi IR flight test.
You can pass both Air Law exams by picking up Bob Tait's book and the CAO's, CAR's, DAP's and getting used to where everything is. DO NOT attempt to try doing the IREX by self study, you'll fail it. If you are used to the FAA system, you'll find it is unlike any other exam you've taken.
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Originally Posted by Kenny
DO NOT attempt to try doing the IREX by self study, you'll fail it. If you are used to the FAA system, you'll find it is unlike any other exam you've taken.
You will also need to have familiarity with with the AIP so you don't waste time in the exam look'n for stuff. You can do it! If you wanna do an Irex course in class, go to Bob Tait in Brisbane.
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Thanks to you all for your replies - much appreciated as it certainly simplifies what I've read on CASA sites.
One other thing, Capt. Crocodile. Do you have the name of the Chris Henry text? I've been unable to find it via general internet search or through pilot shops' websites in Australia. Thanks again.
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One other thing, Capt. Crocodile. Do you have the name of the Chris Henry text? I've been unable to find it via general internet search or through pilot shops' websites in Australia. Thanks again.
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Plenty of people pass IREX self-study
This has been covered on a few threads in the past. Many (not all, obviously) people who self-studied IREX used Bob Taits books.
Probably also a good idea to do get some practice exams and do them. If for no other reason than a lot of the practice exam questions (incl. the exam q's in Bob Taits IREX theory) appear in the ASL test.
This has been covered on a few threads in the past. Many (not all, obviously) people who self-studied IREX used Bob Taits books.
Probably also a good idea to do get some practice exams and do them. If for no other reason than a lot of the practice exam questions (incl. the exam q's in Bob Taits IREX theory) appear in the ASL test.
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make sure you have all your CASA documentation before you arrive too. I have a mate who applied for his basic licence conversions etc from NZ then came over to do his ATP subjects. He couldn't sit any exams because everything was still in the beauracratic machine and he wasn't allowed to do anything without his CASA Licence Number..security, terrorists etc.
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Every one reads and comments on the first thing they see (grr)
"DO NOT attempt to try doing the IREX by self study you'll fail it."
Sure in Aus lots of people self study and PASS .... BUT
"If you are used to the FAA system, you'll find it is unlike any other exam you've taken."
in the US you have access to any question any one will ask you in any exam. This is why you can study for one day in the US and pass a US ATP theroy exam. you dont study you just learn the questions and answers.
Where as in Aus there are 7 exams that take up to 3 days (if your starting from scratch ie not converting it from an os lic.) and you have to study for a min of 4-6 weeks (if your a freak) and a little more for the rest of us.
"DO NOT attempt to try doing the IREX by self study you'll fail it."
Sure in Aus lots of people self study and PASS .... BUT
"If you are used to the FAA system, you'll find it is unlike any other exam you've taken."
in the US you have access to any question any one will ask you in any exam. This is why you can study for one day in the US and pass a US ATP theroy exam. you dont study you just learn the questions and answers.
Where as in Aus there are 7 exams that take up to 3 days (if your starting from scratch ie not converting it from an os lic.) and you have to study for a min of 4-6 weeks (if your a freak) and a little more for the rest of us.
My comments about the IREX weren't made to incite a riot here guys but to guide someone coming from an FAA background, who's looking to convert to a CASA ATPL.
I decided to get my CASA license after I was laid off from an airline in the US. At the time I had 3000 hours, had been a Pilot Examiner and had experience of the JAR exams. For the more cynical among you, I'm not blowing my own horn, just trying to give an idea of my background when I took the IREX.
I got all the books I could, took Bob Taits online practice exams and got all the practice questions I could from a friend who teaches the IREX. I went through everything and honestly felt good walking into the exam. Now I didn't use the practice questions as a way of memorising the answers but as a way to learn the subject matter and increase my knowledge of IFR in Oz. I spent 2-3 weeks studying and decided I give the exam a go.
I found that the vast majority of the questions were asked in an extremely ambigous way and sometimes required knowledge of Australian rules and regs that would be have been learnt at either the PPL or CPL level. Apart from 2 or 3 questions, none came even close to those I'd seen before and needless to say it was an extremely frustrating 3 hours. I got a 68.
Never failed an exam either FAA or JAA (so far), so I'm sure you'll appreciate the frustration. Anyway, off to FTA at Archerfield and I spent 4-5 days with Martin D. Who by the way is an outstanding instructor and has experience of both the US and OZ. We sat down and what I learnt from him was, really how to interpret the questions and figure out what it was that CASA wanted the answer to be. I walked into the next attempt with a different viewpoint and got 100.
Someone described Australia as the aviation equivalent of the Glapagos Islands and they weren't too far off the mark. They are a multitude of rules and regs that are OZ specific and wouldn't make sense anywhere else in the world. Someone coming from the relatively simple world of US flying would find this quite difficult to get their head around. Also, the FAA goes out of it's way to make the regs easy to understand. Pick up a copy of the FAA FAR's and compare that to the "Aviation Legalese" of the CAO's and CAR"s and you'll understand what I mean.
I'm sure you guys who have done all your flying in OZ, didn't have too much of problem studying for the IREX on your own. However my comments were made for someone who has no experience of flying in Oz. I still feel that the IREX is by far the hardest exam I've ever done, not because of the subject matter but beacause of the questioning style and the reliance on knowledge not specifically covered in IREX studying.
Now if you'll excuse me I actually have a couple of VB's waiting for me and the Blue Angels are doing a flyby outside my front door.
I decided to get my CASA license after I was laid off from an airline in the US. At the time I had 3000 hours, had been a Pilot Examiner and had experience of the JAR exams. For the more cynical among you, I'm not blowing my own horn, just trying to give an idea of my background when I took the IREX.
I got all the books I could, took Bob Taits online practice exams and got all the practice questions I could from a friend who teaches the IREX. I went through everything and honestly felt good walking into the exam. Now I didn't use the practice questions as a way of memorising the answers but as a way to learn the subject matter and increase my knowledge of IFR in Oz. I spent 2-3 weeks studying and decided I give the exam a go.
I found that the vast majority of the questions were asked in an extremely ambigous way and sometimes required knowledge of Australian rules and regs that would be have been learnt at either the PPL or CPL level. Apart from 2 or 3 questions, none came even close to those I'd seen before and needless to say it was an extremely frustrating 3 hours. I got a 68.
Never failed an exam either FAA or JAA (so far), so I'm sure you'll appreciate the frustration. Anyway, off to FTA at Archerfield and I spent 4-5 days with Martin D. Who by the way is an outstanding instructor and has experience of both the US and OZ. We sat down and what I learnt from him was, really how to interpret the questions and figure out what it was that CASA wanted the answer to be. I walked into the next attempt with a different viewpoint and got 100.
Someone described Australia as the aviation equivalent of the Glapagos Islands and they weren't too far off the mark. They are a multitude of rules and regs that are OZ specific and wouldn't make sense anywhere else in the world. Someone coming from the relatively simple world of US flying would find this quite difficult to get their head around. Also, the FAA goes out of it's way to make the regs easy to understand. Pick up a copy of the FAA FAR's and compare that to the "Aviation Legalese" of the CAO's and CAR"s and you'll understand what I mean.
I'm sure you guys who have done all your flying in OZ, didn't have too much of problem studying for the IREX on your own. However my comments were made for someone who has no experience of flying in Oz. I still feel that the IREX is by far the hardest exam I've ever done, not because of the subject matter but beacause of the questioning style and the reliance on knowledge not specifically covered in IREX studying.
Now if you'll excuse me I actually have a couple of VB's waiting for me and the Blue Angels are doing a flyby outside my front door.
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Thanks to all who took the time to respond - sorry it took me so long to thank you all - no computer for a bit!!!!
Kenny - How did you manage to get those VBs?!?!?!??! Leftovers from a trip?????
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"I still feel that the IREX is by far the hardest exam I've ever done"
Harder than the JAA ATPL exams? just curious as I am thinking of doing them...(The FAA ATP exam is the by far the most easy I've done)
Harder than the JAA ATPL exams? just curious as I am thinking of doing them...(The FAA ATP exam is the by far the most easy I've done)
