Perth Based JAA ATPLs
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Perth Based JAA ATPLs
Someone mentioned to me recently that an outift in Perth ran courses for JAA ATPLs etc, apparently 3 weeks long (?!) for X amount of $$$. Can anybody provide any other details or suggest something similar? 
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
...assumed perhaps it was just the exams based on the student having already studied theory...
Its 3 sessions of 1 week each to revise before sitting the exams. It involves a whole heap of home self study beforehand. I think they offer a fulltime course as well (?).
Here is an idea….why not look the info up at their site?
Here is an idea….why not look the info up at their site?
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They support PPRuNe through advertising, I suggest you go have a talk to Mark and the boys tell em we sent you. 
http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au/college/contact.asp
http://www.waaviationcollege.com.au/college/contact.asp
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Cheers Woomera & Co.
Excuse my ignorance guys, I hadn't seen their banner on the site, and a google search before my original post didn't help
. I'll touch base with them and let them know it was PPrune that helped me out, good to see local outfits supporting the site
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Excuse my ignorance guys, I hadn't seen their banner on the site, and a google search before my original post didn't help
. I'll touch base with them and let them know it was PPrune that helped me out, good to see local outfits supporting the site Chronic
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Anybody who thinks they can pass the JAA ATPL in three weeks is obviously to gifted to be in aviation and perhaps should go into Nanotechnology or Astrophysics research.
I don’t know what the present syllabus contains but I’m sure it would not have gotten easier over the years.
When I did the British ATPL I held an Oz SCPL which meant I had passed all the Oz ATPL subjects. There were a lot of topics that we covered which were not relevant but still had to be passed. The Met Practical consisted of decoding and plotting met reports, after which a Synoptic Chart was presented with all the station plots and we were required to draw in all the ALL the isobars and fronts, questions were then asked about the weather one would expect flying from A to B. Met Theory apart from the usual also covered World Climatology and Tephigrams.
Nav Practical consisted of a two hour Mercator Plot which also involved CP and PNR plots.
Instruments covered calculation of compass errors which having passed all the subjects entitled one to legally swing a compass.
Nav-Aids covered Hyperbolic navigation systems and all the navaids we now cover in Oz together with INS, Weather Radar etc.
The exams on Priciples of Flight, Engines etc which we cover at CPL is no where near what is required at JAA level. The Performance A exam again is at a much higher level than todays ATPL Performance.
Our Instructors were ex RAF navigators, instrument engineers and the met Instructor was a retired Meteorologist.
This is just to give you an idea of the work required. The only thing that has been made easier is that there is no more penalty marking but from what I hear the pass marks are now 75%.
It is a pity the NSW Institute of Technology or the University of South Australia does not provide such a course.
I don’t know what the present syllabus contains but I’m sure it would not have gotten easier over the years.
When I did the British ATPL I held an Oz SCPL which meant I had passed all the Oz ATPL subjects. There were a lot of topics that we covered which were not relevant but still had to be passed. The Met Practical consisted of decoding and plotting met reports, after which a Synoptic Chart was presented with all the station plots and we were required to draw in all the ALL the isobars and fronts, questions were then asked about the weather one would expect flying from A to B. Met Theory apart from the usual also covered World Climatology and Tephigrams.
Nav Practical consisted of a two hour Mercator Plot which also involved CP and PNR plots.
Instruments covered calculation of compass errors which having passed all the subjects entitled one to legally swing a compass.
Nav-Aids covered Hyperbolic navigation systems and all the navaids we now cover in Oz together with INS, Weather Radar etc.
The exams on Priciples of Flight, Engines etc which we cover at CPL is no where near what is required at JAA level. The Performance A exam again is at a much higher level than todays ATPL Performance.
Our Instructors were ex RAF navigators, instrument engineers and the met Instructor was a retired Meteorologist.
This is just to give you an idea of the work required. The only thing that has been made easier is that there is no more penalty marking but from what I hear the pass marks are now 75%.
It is a pity the NSW Institute of Technology or the University of South Australia does not provide such a course.
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300ER,
Sounds fairly intense. Can one self study at home though?
I think thats what the WAAC course is about. Study at home and then
come in for a week revision before the exams...
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Sounds fairly intense. Can one self study at home though?
I think thats what the WAAC course is about. Study at home and then
come in for a week revision before the exams...
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JAA ATPL.
If you can’t pass the Oz ATPL by self study I would say the JAA ATPL self study course would be well out of your league.
I would suggest contacting Oxford Air Training School or London City University and buy a few sample exam papers on each subject. I am sure it will be very enlightening.
I would suggest contacting Oxford Air Training School or London City University and buy a few sample exam papers on each subject. I am sure it will be very enlightening.
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300ER I believe the JAR is easier, there is only one Nav. paper which includes a short plot on a Lamberts also the Met Prac has gone, but Climatology still remains. So now there is 14 exams to pass instead of 16.
The time span to pass all the exams I believe has been reduced, unlike the old UK ATPL which had to be passed in two years a failure in three sujects required one to sit the lot again.
If those standards were reintroduced the surplusof young fellows would soon dry up.
The time span to pass all the exams I believe has been reduced, unlike the old UK ATPL which had to be passed in two years a failure in three sujects required one to sit the lot again.
If those standards were reintroduced the surplusof young fellows would soon dry up.
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Actually the old CAP 509 syllabus was much easier! There were less subjects and a lot lot lot less questions for the examiners to choose from.
The Oz ATPL theory will help a little, but its a walk in the park compared to the JAA system!
I have taught the CASA ATPL, the UK CAA ATPL and the JAA ATPL theory for the last 15 years. The old UK system ( still in use in parts of the world like Malaysia!) was great as we knew all the questions that were possible, you could learn it in 4 weeks by simply teaching the questions and a bit of knowledge. The current system is a nightmare, and they constantly change the syllabus and the questions!
Good luck, recommend OAT or more so Bristol GS for a course if you want to undertake this route. Do the pre exam brushup in Perth and the exams there , but make sure you can pass the medical first, not much harder than the initial Oz Class 1, but they are picky little buggers over there!
The Oz ATPL theory will help a little, but its a walk in the park compared to the JAA system!
I have taught the CASA ATPL, the UK CAA ATPL and the JAA ATPL theory for the last 15 years. The old UK system ( still in use in parts of the world like Malaysia!) was great as we knew all the questions that were possible, you could learn it in 4 weeks by simply teaching the questions and a bit of knowledge. The current system is a nightmare, and they constantly change the syllabus and the questions!
Good luck, recommend OAT or more so Bristol GS for a course if you want to undertake this route. Do the pre exam brushup in Perth and the exams there , but make sure you can pass the medical first, not much harder than the initial Oz Class 1, but they are picky little buggers over there!
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Anyone else had problems getting a response?
I have twice asked for information on these courses from WAAC and, after nearly 2 months, I have given up on expecting a response.
Aussie, it's not hard, just costly in both time and money. You want to be reaaaaally sure of what you're doing. Having the WAAC available sounds like a good option, it will save you travelling to and from the UK for brush ups and exams. However not knowing the WAAC materials I can still only recommend Bristol Groundschool in the UK for distance learning. They certainly worked for me.
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Hi Aussie,
I am doing the JAA course with WAAC. I have 11 done out of 14. No one has done them all yet.
Are they hard??...Yes. But like anything else you put in the work you will get through it. You do however need discipline and if you start arsing around you will never get them done as you only have 18 months and 6 sittings to do all 14.
WAAC use course material from CATS in the UK which is fine to get you though. Its not as flash as the Bristol stuff but does the job all the same.
If you had difficulty with with the AUS ATPL (apart from FLT Planning), you should have a good long think about JAA distance learning study.
I am doing the JAA course with WAAC. I have 11 done out of 14. No one has done them all yet.
Are they hard??...Yes. But like anything else you put in the work you will get through it. You do however need discipline and if you start arsing around you will never get them done as you only have 18 months and 6 sittings to do all 14.
WAAC use course material from CATS in the UK which is fine to get you though. Its not as flash as the Bristol stuff but does the job all the same.
If you can’t pass the Oz ATPL by self study I would say the JAA ATPL self study course would be well out of your league.
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The old UK ATPL nav papers were not multi choice in fact they were essay type. Seeing I did them I would know. The fact you taught a course in 4 weeks says a lot for your knowledge and instruction. The modern ATPL is multi guess which allows amateurs to provide questions and learn answers by rote to pass the exam. I am glad you are flying corporate and not teaching,the profession is better of with guys like you out of it than pretending to know what your doing.
The ARB subjects were multi-choice, but that was not part of the ATPL it was part of the CPL.
The ARB subjects were multi-choice, but that was not part of the ATPL it was part of the CPL.