Flight Crew and Metal Objects
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Flight Crew and Metal Objects
As we all know, you cant carry any sharp metal objects (knives, scissors, corkscrews etc) on passenger aircraft as a passenger.
I'm intrigued about how this would apply to GA flight crew operating in security controlled airports (theres lots of these now
)? Am I going to get hauled up one day at an airport because I am wearing a leatherman/swiss army knife etc etc that I carry with me?
The obvious logical/commonsense answer is obvious, but that does not always prevail with Airport Security/DoTaRS/CASA etc etc
Your thoughts...
...Disco
I'm intrigued about how this would apply to GA flight crew operating in security controlled airports (theres lots of these now
)? Am I going to get hauled up one day at an airport because I am wearing a leatherman/swiss army knife etc etc that I carry with me?The obvious logical/commonsense answer is obvious, but that does not always prevail with Airport Security/DoTaRS/CASA etc etc
Your thoughts...
...Disco
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Well, I certainly hope they haul you up, how irresponsible! Don't you know how dangerous those things are? Next I suppose you'll want unrestricted access to nail clippers to while away the time while you wait for an ASIC.
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Originally Posted by Dick's Puppy
Not enough security (read 'money') to pull you up
Scary...I hope no terrorists or loonies read this forum.
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Well Im a security agent, and at the airport I work at, the light aircraft are not kept in the restricted zone. The pilots cannot come into the restricted zone without a pass, or without being escorted by a passholder and being checked by security mobile on entering the RZ. If such an object was found then it would be confiscated and returned once they vacate the RZ.
Personally I dont know what the obsession is with people carrying pen knives and multitools everywhere. Especially in airports, its common sense that you leave it behind! Yet I still get passengers argue "but I take that everywhere with me" bla bla bla.
Personally I dont know what the obsession is with people carrying pen knives and multitools everywhere. Especially in airports, its common sense that you leave it behind! Yet I still get passengers argue "but I take that everywhere with me" bla bla bla.
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You’re a security “agent”??? And your handle is “ATCO” Are you a controller who fell off the wagon or is that just the level of accommodation you can afford on security guard wages??
So how many vibrator-sightings do you and your mates have per week? And why is it every second “guard” is a big, fat crew-cut bull-dyke?
Another question, since you’re in the know: Is it mandatory to develop a strong tendency towards surliness in your line of work? Also, how do they get the staff to so effectively switch off every last ounce of common sense when assessing the dangers posed by various objects, such as a car-key, nail file, whatever and others which are allowed such as bottle of booze, 4xD Cell maglite, etc…
Give me back my nail clippers…
So how many vibrator-sightings do you and your mates have per week? And why is it every second “guard” is a big, fat crew-cut bull-dyke?
Another question, since you’re in the know: Is it mandatory to develop a strong tendency towards surliness in your line of work? Also, how do they get the staff to so effectively switch off every last ounce of common sense when assessing the dangers posed by various objects, such as a car-key, nail file, whatever and others which are allowed such as bottle of booze, 4xD Cell maglite, etc…
Give me back my nail clippers…
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Wannabe ATCO is me, aint brainy enough though!
Whoever took your nail clippers needs their head looking at (unless there was a knife on them which sometimes there is).
No dangers in a car key...
Are you one of those that whinges when you get your precious (illegal) lock knife confiscated? Or your precious 30 year old pen knife? <G>.
Whoever took your nail clippers needs their head looking at (unless there was a knife on them which sometimes there is).
No dangers in a car key...
Are you one of those that whinges when you get your precious (illegal) lock knife confiscated? Or your precious 30 year old pen knife? <G>.
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If you read the regulations you will find that there is an exemption for "Tools of trade" that must by definition cover a GA pilot. How else for example are you to get a cowl off without a screwdriver or similar?
My leatherman is in my headset bag along with the equally vicious and death destroying fuel drainer/screwdriver. Then of course there is the toolkit with the lethal screwdriver in it.
My leatherman is in my headset bag along with the equally vicious and death destroying fuel drainer/screwdriver. Then of course there is the toolkit with the lethal screwdriver in it.
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Personally I dont know what the obsession is with people carrying pen knives and multitools everywhere. Especially in airports, its common sense that you leave it behind! Yet I still get passengers argue "but I take that everywhere with me" bla bla bla.
Common sense to bring it with me! I might be in a major city airport one hour, in the middle of nowhere the next.Remember I was referring to myself as flightcrew, not as SLF.
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The Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2006 do provide for the flight crew scenario in Part 4, divn 4.2, Reg 4.53.
However, it may be foolhardy to do so unless you are carrying a printed copy of the relevant regulation.
Even then, you will be presenting the security officer with a scenario outside his/her comfort zone and you would probably need to deal with a supervisor.
A typical weapon (not firearms) would be a Leatherman multitool.
A "Leatherman" personal survival tool is a tool of trade and is a sensible and prudent item to carry when flying in a designated remote area.
Here is a link to the regulations
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/atsa/
and here is the particular bit you would need to print out and carry with you.
4.53 Persons authorised to have weapons (not firearms) in possession in secure areas
(1) Each of the following persons is authorised to have a weapon (not a firearm) in his or her possession in a secure area of an airport:
(a) an officer of the Australian Customs Service;
(b) an air security officer;
(c) a screening officer who is carrying the weapon to or from an aircraft because the weapon:
(i) has been accepted for carriage by the aircraft’s operator; or
(ii) is being removed from the aircraft;
(d) an authorised representative of an airline operator who is carrying the weapon to or from an aircraft because the weapon:
(i) has been accepted for carriage by the aircraft’s operator; or
(ii) is being removed from the aircraft.
(2) A person is authorised to have a weapon (other than a firearm) in his or her possession in a secure area if:
(a) the weapon is a tool of trade; and
(b) the person keeps control of the weapon at all times.
(3) For paragraph (2) (b), the person ceases to have control of the weapon if he or she gives possession of it to, or allows it to be accessible to, a person for whom it is not a tool of trade.
(4) For paragraph (2) (a) and subregulation (3), something is a tool of trade if:
(a) the person whose possession it is in requires it for the purpose for which he or she is in the relevant area or zone; and
(b) the purpose is lawful.
Despite all this, I still think you'll have your leatherman confiscated (ever think what happens to the confiscated items?).
Why not just leave it in the aircraft, but carry this printout in case you forget to leave it in the aircraft and are still wearing it.
You would be reducing the odds of donating a $150 tool to an unknown recipient.
The Aviation Transport Security Regulations 2006 do provide for the flight crew scenario in Part 4, divn 4.2, Reg 4.53.
However, it may be foolhardy to do so unless you are carrying a printed copy of the relevant regulation.
Even then, you will be presenting the security officer with a scenario outside his/her comfort zone and you would probably need to deal with a supervisor.
A typical weapon (not firearms) would be a Leatherman multitool.
A "Leatherman" personal survival tool is a tool of trade and is a sensible and prudent item to carry when flying in a designated remote area.
Here is a link to the regulations
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/atsa/
and here is the particular bit you would need to print out and carry with you.
4.53 Persons authorised to have weapons (not firearms) in possession in secure areas
(1) Each of the following persons is authorised to have a weapon (not a firearm) in his or her possession in a secure area of an airport:
(a) an officer of the Australian Customs Service;
(b) an air security officer;
(c) a screening officer who is carrying the weapon to or from an aircraft because the weapon:
(i) has been accepted for carriage by the aircraft’s operator; or
(ii) is being removed from the aircraft;
(d) an authorised representative of an airline operator who is carrying the weapon to or from an aircraft because the weapon:
(i) has been accepted for carriage by the aircraft’s operator; or
(ii) is being removed from the aircraft.
(2) A person is authorised to have a weapon (other than a firearm) in his or her possession in a secure area if:
(a) the weapon is a tool of trade; and
(b) the person keeps control of the weapon at all times.
(3) For paragraph (2) (b), the person ceases to have control of the weapon if he or she gives possession of it to, or allows it to be accessible to, a person for whom it is not a tool of trade.
(4) For paragraph (2) (a) and subregulation (3), something is a tool of trade if:
(a) the person whose possession it is in requires it for the purpose for which he or she is in the relevant area or zone; and
(b) the purpose is lawful.
Despite all this, I still think you'll have your leatherman confiscated (ever think what happens to the confiscated items?).
Why not just leave it in the aircraft, but carry this printout in case you forget to leave it in the aircraft and are still wearing it.
You would be reducing the odds of donating a $150 tool to an unknown recipient.
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Has Aussie not changed it stance? Late last year rules were relaxed in NZ-can have pocket knives, scissors etc as long as blade length is max 6cm.
A fellow aviating mate of mine has a wee knife/tool on his key ring that disguises itself as a key! Yes they are manufactured!
P.S Please disregard if "you're a terrorist or loonie reading this forum"
No dangers in a car key...
P.S Please disregard if "you're a terrorist or loonie reading this forum"
