Parked Planes at AKL
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Parked Planes at AKL
I was working on the apron at Auckland Intl today and couldn't help notice no fewer than 6 aircraft from the Koru Club parked on layover all day. 2 777's had also been parked most of the night. Aircraft included 2 A320s, 2 763's and a 744.
I don't have an aviation managment diploma but is this the best use of the Govt bailout money?
Incidently, is that A320 down at heavy maintenance being painted all white because its sold?
I don't have an aviation managment diploma but is this the best use of the Govt bailout money?
Incidently, is that A320 down at heavy maintenance being painted all white because its sold?
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I think some sched. maint has been altering the sched somewhat. The daily flt over to BNE is normaly the 400, but I think today the 772 is doing the run. Often on a Sat afternoon you will see a 320 or two and an ATR on the INTL tarmac for the night.
I too would like to find out about the 320 down at the maint hangar!
I too would like to find out about the 320 down at the maint hangar!
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I think Air NZ have one A320 surplus due to efficiencies created from the Air NZ / Freedom aggreement and another surplus due to the QF codeshare aggreement. Possibly this one getting painted all white is the first to go??
......Sat afternoon you will see a 320 or two and an ATR on the INTL tarmac for the night.
Is this due to lack of space over at the domestic apron overnight?
P.S. How many 777 does AirNZ have now? And what is there delivery schedule?
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Yes. You New Zealander's all seem to have big watches
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Strange how Ansett made a profit before Air New Zealand tookover.
Yes. You New Zealander's all seem to have big watches and little dick's.
Now back to the topic of the post.
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Yes, the profit may have been all "smoke and mirrors", however, it was a profit just the same. It doesn't excuse the fact that once Air New Zealand took over Ansett, there suddenly became major losses of hundreds of millions of dollars within a year and nearly dragging Air New Zealand down. I wonder how the NZ economy was affected by such poor management decisions? It's a pity Sunfish isn't communicating at the moment as I'm sure that he'd have a better handle on the situation than I have and could elaborate more. We'll have to take a raincheck there.
And everyone thinks that Qantas management are bad???
And everyone thinks that Qantas management are bad???
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Anyone who thinks Qantas or Air New Zealand are managed poorly are deluded. They are among the few conventional (non-LCC) carriers in the world to turn a profit. I sometimes think that pilots and other airline employees are unable to look at the big picture.
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Anyone who thinks Qantas or Air New Zealand are managed poorly are deluded. They are among the few conventional (non-LCC) carriers in the world to turn a profit. I sometimes think that pilots and other airline employees are unable to look at the big picture
The profitability is based on anti-competitive practices, an effective duopoly in Australasia (yes EK and others operate into NZ and Oz..they don't however benefit form a regional feeder network that is a monopoly..) and the organizations are still struggling with antiquated working conditions. (The Air NZ bailout..QF heavy maintenance etc etc)
Put simply the market place is distorted with national interest and profiteering, the good old customer is the one paying through the nose for a product that is at best 20-30% overpriced.
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I don't know about Australia, but the NZ market is deregulated to the extent that Air NZ can't afford to to exercise the power of monopoly. There comes a point where a new entrant becomes viable, that point has not yet been reached. In fact, quite the converse, with Origin all but dead in the water.
I know it is hard for a private company like Origin to compete against what is in a round about way, a government subsidised airline - but there are other big Airlines in a position to compete should they deam it viable.
At the end of the day, a public company has a duty to do the best it can for it's shareholders. You can only work with what you've got. My initial point, was that pilots have to be carefull not to work too hard against their respective employers. We have to find a balance between fair pay and conditions, and economic viability. A strong company (aviation or otherwise) is one in which employees work with management, for the overall good of the company. If I sound idealistic, guilty as charged.
I know it is hard for a private company like Origin to compete against what is in a round about way, a government subsidised airline - but there are other big Airlines in a position to compete should they deam it viable.
At the end of the day, a public company has a duty to do the best it can for it's shareholders. You can only work with what you've got. My initial point, was that pilots have to be carefull not to work too hard against their respective employers. We have to find a balance between fair pay and conditions, and economic viability. A strong company (aviation or otherwise) is one in which employees work with management, for the overall good of the company. If I sound idealistic, guilty as charged.
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Nahh Cloud mate, your not idealistic..in point of fact I agree with you in regards to a balance.
The New Zealand market however no matter how deregulated it is, will continue to be effectively monopolized for the simple fact that true competition is not allowed to exist..(Origin cant compete as you say because they didn't benefit from a $880 million bailout package a few years back)
As for other airlines finding it viable? nope it ain't gonna happen if a government continues with a policy of subsidy for the same reason..those airlines are accountable to their shareholders.
Cloud, lets call a spade a spade, Air NZ has no incentive to be truly efficient as long as it can rely on the government of the day to prop up what is effectively a lame-duck business model. (harsh words..mayby..but they operate in an effective monopoly..and STILL find it tough to turn a profit
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The New Zealand market however no matter how deregulated it is, will continue to be effectively monopolized for the simple fact that true competition is not allowed to exist..(Origin cant compete as you say because they didn't benefit from a $880 million bailout package a few years back)
As for other airlines finding it viable? nope it ain't gonna happen if a government continues with a policy of subsidy for the same reason..those airlines are accountable to their shareholders.
Cloud, lets call a spade a spade, Air NZ has no incentive to be truly efficient as long as it can rely on the government of the day to prop up what is effectively a lame-duck business model. (harsh words..mayby..but they operate in an effective monopoly..and STILL find it tough to turn a profit
)
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