a question to instructors
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a question to instructors
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i was just wondering if i should go and fly in sydney for few days with a mate of mine, who is a PPL holder just like me. The thing is, if we rent an aircraft and lets say, fly 20-30 hours (provided we have the type rating), are we able to log the time in our log books, given we have proper endorsements from the school we are hiring the aircraft from? Would it count towards the 200hr for a CPL? More simply, can I log them as my solo time (for the time I am PIC) and as SIC when he's PIC, and be counted towards the total 200 CPL hours?
Thanks a lot. would be great if someone could help.
Richie
i was just wondering if i should go and fly in sydney for few days with a mate of mine, who is a PPL holder just like me. The thing is, if we rent an aircraft and lets say, fly 20-30 hours (provided we have the type rating), are we able to log the time in our log books, given we have proper endorsements from the school we are hiring the aircraft from? Would it count towards the 200hr for a CPL? More simply, can I log them as my solo time (for the time I am PIC) and as SIC when he's PIC, and be counted towards the total 200 CPL hours?
Thanks a lot. would be great if someone could help.
Richie
can I log them as my solo time (for the time I am PIC)
and as SIC when he's PIC
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hey turbantime
so, how do i (and all students, if i am not wrong) log them as SIC when the instructor gets the PIC by not actually flying the aircraft? I am talking about after GFPT level here...
sorry i might sound stupid but hey, if i have to ask, i ask
richie
so, how do i (and all students, if i am not wrong) log them as SIC when the instructor gets the PIC by not actually flying the aircraft? I am talking about after GFPT level here...
sorry i might sound stupid but hey, if i have to ask, i ask
richie
SIC? Are you talking about Co-Pilot time? It can only be logged on aircraft that require 2 crew.
I think you're talking about Dual time, which is mainly to do with you being instructed. In that case you log Dual, the instructor logs PIC.
Just because there are 2 pilots in a plane doesn't mean they can both log the time.
I think you're talking about Dual time, which is mainly to do with you being instructed. In that case you log Dual, the instructor logs PIC.
Just because there are 2 pilots in a plane doesn't mean they can both log the time.
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You may log ICUS in any aircraft provided you meet the requirements set out in the CAR. Yes, even in a cherokee or C152.
Flying with your friend however won't meet the requirement of 'commercial operation'.
Flying with your friend however won't meet the requirement of 'commercial operation'.
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rmcdonal and ovum
thanks for the clarification. i am in the clear now
can you please tell me a good way to do my SOLO hours ? I still have about 60 to go and i am just wondering if theres a way I do not have to fly my school's aircraft, but hire (to make it cheaper) to reduce the flight cost? Just curious.
thanks again for your input.
Richie
thanks for the clarification. i am in the clear now
can you please tell me a good way to do my SOLO hours ? I still have about 60 to go and i am just wondering if theres a way I do not have to fly my school's aircraft, but hire (to make it cheaper) to reduce the flight cost? Just curious.
thanks again for your input.
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>>can you please tell me a good way to do my SOLO hours ? I still have about 60 to go and i am just wondering if theres a way I do not have to fly my school's aircraft, but hire (to make it cheaper) to reduce the flight cost? Just curious. <<
Hire an aircraft from your flying school and grab some mates or relative who want to come along for the trip. Cost-share the flights so you only have to pay 25% (assuming a 4-seater) of the total cost.
Hire an aircraft from your flying school and grab some mates or relative who want to come along for the trip. Cost-share the flights so you only have to pay 25% (assuming a 4-seater) of the total cost.
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Originally Posted by ovum
You may log ICUS in any aircraft provided you meet the requirements set out in the CAR. Yes, even in a cherokee or C152.
CAR 5.40 Pilot acting in command under supervision
(1) A person may fly an aircraft as pilot acting in command under supervision only if:
(a) the person holds:
(i) a commercial pilot licence or an air transport pilot licence; or
(i) a certificate of validation that has effect as if it were a commercial pilot licence or an air transport pilot licence; and
(b) the person holds an aircraft endorsement that authorises him or her to fly the aircraft as pilot in command; and
(c) if the person proposes to carry out an activity for which a flight crew rating is required — the person holds a flight crew rating, or grade of flight crew rating, that permits him or her to carry out that activity as pilot in command of the aircraft concerned; and
(d) the person is the co-pilot of the aircraft; and
(e) the operator of the aircraft permits the person to fly the aircraft as pilot acting in command under supervision; and
(f) the pilot in command of the aircraft is appointed for the purpose by the operator of the aircraft.
Penalty: 10 penalty units.
This hoary old chestnut comes up every so often. I remember a spirited debate on here a couple of years ago about this. That's what the regs say so interpret it as you will.
(1) A person may fly an aircraft as pilot acting in command under supervision only if:
(a) the person holds:
(i) a commercial pilot licence or an air transport pilot licence; or
(i) a certificate of validation that has effect as if it were a commercial pilot licence or an air transport pilot licence; and
(b) the person holds an aircraft endorsement that authorises him or her to fly the aircraft as pilot in command; and
(c) if the person proposes to carry out an activity for which a flight crew rating is required — the person holds a flight crew rating, or grade of flight crew rating, that permits him or her to carry out that activity as pilot in command of the aircraft concerned; and
(d) the person is the co-pilot of the aircraft; and
(e) the operator of the aircraft permits the person to fly the aircraft as pilot acting in command under supervision; and
(f) the pilot in command of the aircraft is appointed for the purpose by the operator of the aircraft.
Penalty: 10 penalty units.
This hoary old chestnut comes up every so often. I remember a spirited debate on here a couple of years ago about this. That's what the regs say so interpret it as you will.
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hey DirectAnywhere
cheers for that. i take it as a PPL, I fall under 1.b ??
Thanks to everyone who has offered their advise. this morning, I just saw a Cherokee being up for hire, for cheap, too! Finding out more about it now....
richie
cheers for that. i take it as a PPL, I fall under 1.b ??
Thanks to everyone who has offered their advise. this morning, I just saw a Cherokee being up for hire, for cheap, too! Finding out more about it now....
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Richie, forget the ICUS/SIC/DUAL/PIC, forget about the hours man. Go out and have some fun, grab eighty mates line em up and cost share some flights. When you start feeling good about your flying try meat bombing they still don't need much experience and a PPL is all you need. What I am trying to say is, if your worried about the cost now, wait until you have 15 years line experience with an operator, 2 kids and wife, and they want you to pay $25000 for your next rating. It just don't stop kid.
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hello THE CONTRACTOR
thanks for the candid reply. had it been four years back when i started flying with dad's money, i wouldnt have cared. dad gave me $10,000 and offered to pay for the whole training. now that he has retired from work and all, i havent asked him for any $$$ and have resumed the training with my own cash.
my question to you all was to show me a way to mitigate my sufferings from earning the rest of the $$$$. i have most of it saved up (i did that through uni working 6 nights a week, midnight to 7am shifts, and my only goal was to go back to flight school upon graduation, which i have now. so, maybe, a more "prudent and economical" way to do my SOLO hours was my choice. i know there is no shortcut in flying and that is not something i engage myself in. then again, would have appreciated your thoughts
richie
thanks for the candid reply. had it been four years back when i started flying with dad's money, i wouldnt have cared. dad gave me $10,000 and offered to pay for the whole training. now that he has retired from work and all, i havent asked him for any $$$ and have resumed the training with my own cash.
my question to you all was to show me a way to mitigate my sufferings from earning the rest of the $$$$. i have most of it saved up (i did that through uni working 6 nights a week, midnight to 7am shifts, and my only goal was to go back to flight school upon graduation, which i have now. so, maybe, a more "prudent and economical" way to do my SOLO hours was my choice. i know there is no shortcut in flying and that is not something i engage myself in. then again, would have appreciated your thoughts
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Mate the best way i found ( and this is just my opinion and what i did to get some PIC hrs for my CPL) I went round Australia 58 hrs i think it was cutting corners here and there . you can fly 200hrs of circuts if you want or you can get out there and experiance remote dirt strips , weather , flight planning ( fuel managment ect ect ) the way of knocking back costs is to get freinds or family to chip and you will find it to be a 1/4 the cost . flying round and round in a circut won't teach you anymore than you no doubt already do . now my advise is to be the only pilot on this kind of trip , you get all the hours and there is no back seat piloting going on , and your logging all the hours ! good luck with it mate we have been there and as hard as it is there is light at the end of the tunnel!!
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What I did nearly sent me bankrupt. Borrowed from bank, employer, uncle and got friends to chip in on "the trip of a lifetime" to outback Australia.
I also contacted people/friends who are tourists from the United States, Europe and Japan and volunteer to fly them around Australia just for them to pay for the duchess and fuel. Had to charm the ladies though ( just kidding).
Got to build up my twin hours. By the time I was ready for the CPL flight test, was able to log nearly 80 hours of twin time for free (well almost). Don't know if it will work for you but I couldn't see why not. Worked for me.
Just use your marketing skills.
Just my 2 cents worth. Good luck mate. Happy flying.
D6
I also contacted people/friends who are tourists from the United States, Europe and Japan and volunteer to fly them around Australia just for them to pay for the duchess and fuel. Had to charm the ladies though ( just kidding).
Got to build up my twin hours. By the time I was ready for the CPL flight test, was able to log nearly 80 hours of twin time for free (well almost). Don't know if it will work for you but I couldn't see why not. Worked for me.
Just use your marketing skills.
Just my 2 cents worth. Good luck mate. Happy flying.
D6
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thanks Delta and aircabbie
i am sure there would be some light sooner or later but i just found myself in a difficult situation here where i had to sell my car and few of my beloved belongings just to pay for flying.
i hope you all understand where i am coming from. i WILL finish my training no matter what, and I will know that i have given my 100% to obtain my CPL, which i have wanted ever since i wanted to become a pilot. ofcourse, ATPL and an airline job would greatly be appreciated
Take care all...very helpful you all have been ...!
richie
i am sure there would be some light sooner or later but i just found myself in a difficult situation here where i had to sell my car and few of my beloved belongings just to pay for flying.
i hope you all understand where i am coming from. i WILL finish my training no matter what, and I will know that i have given my 100% to obtain my CPL, which i have wanted ever since i wanted to become a pilot. ofcourse, ATPL and an airline job would greatly be appreciated
Take care all...very helpful you all have been ...!
richie
