ASIC Nonsense
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I applied for mine in mid Jan, recieved it the end of March, yet I had to drive into Mascot to pick it up! why couldn't they mail it, they can mail my passport and pilot licence, why not my ASIC.
I agree with all what a total waste of time. Now all these smaller airports have something to complain about and more than likely fine you for. I can see it now, flying into buck f@#k now where and accidentally forgeting my ASIC, being fined $500 bucks. How many other things do pilots have to budget for these days???
I agree with all what a total waste of time. Now all these smaller airports have something to complain about and more than likely fine you for. I can see it now, flying into buck f@#k now where and accidentally forgeting my ASIC, being fined $500 bucks. How many other things do pilots have to budget for these days???
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Looks like CASA must be working on a last come, first served basis. Lodged my app in October, and although I have been told multiple times that my background checks have been completed and I should receive my ASIC soon, still no sign!!
Just had an 'interesting' session of phone calls to the licensing centre, the culmination (I hope) of about 6 weeks calling and emailing, being promised it would be looked into, waiting a bit, calling again, etc.
After talking to the initial phone-answering person and again getting the 'I'll email person x and they'll chase it up for you,' I expressed my dubiousness about whether anything would be done and asked to speak to someone who could give me straight answers to the following:
1. Where's my application (that I submitted in October)?
2. When will I get my card?
3. How will it be delivered?
Transferred to a person identifying himself by first name only, who called up my application in his computer system, and then requested I re-fax some pages of the original application (God knows where they might have gone to) and that he'd get them over for security checking this afternoon - all this after I'd been told numerous times by previous contacts that all was well and they knew exactly which batch my application was in, where it was, etc.
Crikey! as Steve Irwin would say.
Now awaiting a result - not holding my breath. P'raps it'll be time to submit the next one in two years by the time this one arrives!
At least this last fella sounded like he could make something happen.
Just a heads up for those who submitted around Nov and haven't got theirs yet - this bloke said there had been 'a few problems' with applications received around that time, and that procedures seemed to have been tightened up in January, which would explain the 'submitted application late, got card quickly' situation.
After talking to the initial phone-answering person and again getting the 'I'll email person x and they'll chase it up for you,' I expressed my dubiousness about whether anything would be done and asked to speak to someone who could give me straight answers to the following:
1. Where's my application (that I submitted in October)?
2. When will I get my card?
3. How will it be delivered?
Transferred to a person identifying himself by first name only, who called up my application in his computer system, and then requested I re-fax some pages of the original application (God knows where they might have gone to) and that he'd get them over for security checking this afternoon - all this after I'd been told numerous times by previous contacts that all was well and they knew exactly which batch my application was in, where it was, etc.
Crikey! as Steve Irwin would say.
Now awaiting a result - not holding my breath. P'raps it'll be time to submit the next one in two years by the time this one arrives!
At least this last fella sounded like he could make something happen.
Just a heads up for those who submitted around Nov and haven't got theirs yet - this bloke said there had been 'a few problems' with applications received around that time, and that procedures seemed to have been tightened up in January, which would explain the 'submitted application late, got card quickly' situation.
Can anyone explain wtf you can pick it up from Qantas bases? I guess after all the Australian Government has been doing for QF it's the only way they can return the favour.
Same here Arm. Sent away the application in early October and still nothing.
Actually rang CASA late this afternoon and spoke to a very nice Indian sounding chappy who told me "it is progressing through the system".
Nearly seven months (!!!) down the track it obviously isn't progressing fast enough.
Actually rang CASA late this afternoon and spoke to a very nice Indian sounding chappy who told me "it is progressing through the system".
Nearly seven months (!!!) down the track it obviously isn't progressing fast enough.
Budgie, it seems that's the standard answer - I got that several times when it turns out they didn't know where it was.
If you haven't already, I'd ask them the list of questions in my last post, and if the person you're talking to can't pinpoint it and why it's stalled, keep asking to talk to someone who can until you get some satisfaction.
My impression is that applications like ours that somehow got stuck in a bureaucratic backwater will only come out again if we chase them all the way through.
Good luck.
If you haven't already, I'd ask them the list of questions in my last post, and if the person you're talking to can't pinpoint it and why it's stalled, keep asking to talk to someone who can until you get some satisfaction.
My impression is that applications like ours that somehow got stuck in a bureaucratic backwater will only come out again if we chase them all the way through.
Good luck.
How do you7 GA guys get along without an ASIC?
dO you need some one with an ASIC to escort you? That must be a logistical nightmare.
dO you need some one with an ASIC to escort you? That must be a logistical nightmare.
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Anyone still waiting? I finally(!!) got mine today; been waiting since last October. At least it's good to mid-08, so in a crazy way they've saved me a couple of bucks by being disorganised.
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Originally Posted by Oh that's super!
As someone who finds Australia Post quite unreliable, I am quite concerned that they post ASICs - even by registered post (I have had registered post go missing). That's not exactly a secure delivery method, is it?
This horrified me. I wasn't asked for any ID at all. Even on the form, it says this must be supplied. Just because I gave her the slip, doesn't mean I was the person the ASIC was addressed to. And they say ASICs have been designed for increased security? My arse!
I would say more, but all the sentiments of most GA pilots (even mere pups like me) have been summed up by a Paul Phelan in an article (pg.82) of the May/June edition of Australian Flying magazine. If you haven't seen it, read it.
As for the time I had to wait, compared to some of you poor buggers here, I was one of the fortunate ones. Applied in March, back by May.
I am also luckier than most given that I've only begun flying since these ridiculous money-grabbing regulations have been introduced, and even I think it takes the urine. So for all you more experienced General Aviators out there who never used to have to apply and pay for these worthless new documents, I appreciate just how incensed you must be.
These new measures are a transparent, knee-jerk reaction to Sept 11th, and a convenient licence to print money. Just another one of Johnny Howard's cash-cows. ASICs do nothing to improve security, as many posters here have testified.
I just thought my experience added yet another example of how insecure these security measures really are.
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On a related but slightly tangental note.
How about the Australian Doughnut Protection Serivces aimlessly wandering around the "high risk" GAAP environments.
What the hell is that all about? How much is it costing us for these groups of "finely honed anti-terrorist machines" to meander around. And why do they always "base" themselves at the take away? All driving plash new motors.
Millions going down the drain.
But on second thoughts it might be working. I have not seen any pilots at my local getting around in the hijab
I want the guy running DOTARS to be the next government! Oh hang on, they already are
How about the Australian Doughnut Protection Serivces aimlessly wandering around the "high risk" GAAP environments.
What the hell is that all about? How much is it costing us for these groups of "finely honed anti-terrorist machines" to meander around. And why do they always "base" themselves at the take away? All driving plash new motors.
Millions going down the drain.
But on second thoughts it might be working. I have not seen any pilots at my local getting around in the hijab
I want the guy running DOTARS to be the next government! Oh hang on, they already are
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Anyway, asked the spanners where theirs are, as they are airside working on aircraft, engine testing and indeed exist in a hangar that provides access airside to anyone that cares to use the door.
Met, as usual, with hoots of derision - read laughter, and comments about the gullibility of pilots.
Met, as usual, with hoots of derision - read laughter, and comments about the gullibility of pilots.
I've been told I have to re-apply as the application can't be found. So what happened to all of that personal info that was sent in with the application?
So much for security.
The chap I spoke to said don't worry though "we've got a thousand(!!!) ASICS we can't send out because of incorrect or incomplete infomation".
Yet another example of inappropriate, unneccesary, one size fits all (it doesn't), poorly thought through legislation.
So much for security.
The chap I spoke to said don't worry though "we've got a thousand(!!!) ASICS we can't send out because of incorrect or incomplete infomation".
Yet another example of inappropriate, unneccesary, one size fits all (it doesn't), poorly thought through legislation.
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ASIC SAGA
Perhaps the new VISA AD..........
$135 and 7 months to get ASIC
$50 for phone calls
E mail inquiry throught CASA web site ........ a joke no reply
Took to airport to get coded for access and it was not accepted!
3 days of phone calls to airport operator as well as multiple visits to airport
$35 in parking
Operator agreed finally CASA asic acceptable ....... but .....
ASIC has no chip and can not be coded
$20 for door acess card
TOTAL IN EXCESS OF $260
Getting fd around by CASA ............. PRICELESS!
$135 and 7 months to get ASIC
$50 for phone calls
E mail inquiry throught CASA web site ........ a joke no reply
Took to airport to get coded for access and it was not accepted!
3 days of phone calls to airport operator as well as multiple visits to airport
$35 in parking
Operator agreed finally CASA asic acceptable ....... but .....
ASIC has no chip and can not be coded
$20 for door acess card
TOTAL IN EXCESS OF $260
Getting f
d around by CASA ............. PRICELESS!
Last edited by lamepilot; 28th May 2006 at 23:53.
Sent my application in just after Easter thinking it might miss the rush, on the 12th May I got a call from a lovely young lass from the CLARC, she said I hadnt provided some documents or what ever. On the 24th she called me again saying she hadnt recieved the said documents (I had forgotten to post them).
An interesting comment she made to me was that there is a closing date of May 31, she didnt really know what that meant, perhaps the CLARC will be closing and ASIC applications will be processed by ordinary CASA clerks.
An interesting comment she made to me was that there is a closing date of May 31, she didnt really know what that meant, perhaps the CLARC will be closing and ASIC applications will be processed by ordinary CASA clerks.
ArseIC
Spent the day at a major regional terminal recently before i received my ASIC. Phoned the Airport Manager beforehand explaining i was still waiting for it, he was great, just said don't worry about it as not many pilots have them that fly in anyway.
Watched the ground crews for two airlines all day and saw no ASIC on anyone.
I don't have any history of activist tendancies but point me to a protest march on this one and i'll be there with banners waving.
...and i love the instruction in the letter you get with the card. Upon expiry we have to send the card back to them. No way sunshine, you come and pick it up.
Watched the ground crews for two airlines all day and saw no ASIC on anyone.
I don't have any history of activist tendancies but point me to a protest march on this one and i'll be there with banners waving.
...and i love the instruction in the letter you get with the card. Upon expiry we have to send the card back to them. No way sunshine, you come and pick it up.
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and i love the instruction in the letter you get with the card.
I guess CASA forgot to fulfil it responsibility
So, if I had access to CASA's ASIC Program would I find an reference to CASA providing successful applicants with details of the correct use of an ASIC?
Before I get on the anti-CASA bandwagon, do ASIC's from other issuing bodies usually come with a set of instructions?