What's happening with QF recruitment then?
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What's happening with QF recruitment then?
Oh so many rumours out there....anyone in the know?
Looks like there's going to be an excess of crew qith QF A330 heading to Jetstar and a parked 743. At the same time plenty of people going through Stage 2/3. Also hearing rumours of a September course.
So what's going on then? Do QF continue screening applicants and keep building a big pool to choose from or do they only bother when they know a course is coming up? How long does one stay in this "pool" of active consideration? Looks like no expansion until A380's and 787's arrive, but even then it sounds like replacement of old airframes.
What about the rumour that those that missed the cut at QF will be forwarded onto JQ for consideration?
Looks like there's going to be an excess of crew qith QF A330 heading to Jetstar and a parked 743. At the same time plenty of people going through Stage 2/3. Also hearing rumours of a September course.
So what's going on then? Do QF continue screening applicants and keep building a big pool to choose from or do they only bother when they know a course is coming up? How long does one stay in this "pool" of active consideration? Looks like no expansion until A380's and 787's arrive, but even then it sounds like replacement of old airframes.
What about the rumour that those that missed the cut at QF will be forwarded onto JQ for consideration?
The latest info (subject to and probably likely to change) says 50 new intakes during the 2006-2007 financial year, then well over 100 new recruits during both '07-'08 and '08-'09.
There's also an indication that there will be over 400 command positions between now and 2009 and closer to 500 F/O slots. Bear in mind many of these will be filled by existing captains and F/Os.
There's also an indication that there will be over 400 command positions between now and 2009 and closer to 500 F/O slots. Bear in mind many of these will be filled by existing captains and F/Os.
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Bug smasher - those command and FO slot numbers look a 'little high' to seem remotely credible. Especially when compared to only intaking less than a third of those numbers for SO slots.
I'm sure the guys at QF would love it if the numbers were even close to correct! Care to reveal your your source?
I'm sure the guys at QF would love it if the numbers were even close to correct! Care to reveal your your source?
Botero,
On behalf of BSS, those numbers have come directly from QF, posted on a company website for all to see.
Here's hoping they're correct (or close to!)
TL
On behalf of BSS, those numbers have come directly from QF, posted on a company website for all to see.
Here's hoping they're correct (or close to!)
TL
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Well I hope they are correct as well for all of the pilots in Australia. At an average of 80-100 a year that's pretty good and will provide genuine growth and opportunities across all levels of Oz aviation as it filters through all levels.
I wonder though if it covers the whole Q group (ie J* and Australian) not just mainline...........
I wonder though if it covers the whole Q group (ie J* and Australian) not just mainline...........
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Those numbers do not represent the "real promotion" figures, they are the number of courses that are programmed for training (to include type conversions).
The reason they have published the bigger numbers is to create a sense of "movement" and thereby make everyone think that massive training is going on and all will be Captains before you know it.
Ask the question that needs to be asked and see if the "King" will answer.
The reason they have published the bigger numbers is to create a sense of "movement" and thereby make everyone think that massive training is going on and all will be Captains before you know it.
Ask the question that needs to be asked and see if the "King" will answer.
botero: As I alluded to in my post and jakethemuss reiterated, those numbers are not all new positions, they are the "slots" in the training program and many will be filled by existing Captains and F/Os simply changing type.
The number that I'm sure a lot of wannabes out there should be interested in is the 250 odd S/O positions over the next 3 or so years.
It does look like there could be a surplus of crew on a couple types with, as turbantime mentioned, the 330s going to J*, a Classic being parked and another 76 heading north to AO (for how long???). This will all be balanced out painfully slowly over the coming years though. Certainly the 380 and 78 will eventually replace some existing types but not in the immediate future. Look at the Classic, it's still charging along and the 76RRs' lease has been extended another 6 years. They're also slated for a (much needed) cabin refurbishment, I don't think BA's ever going to take them back.
There will be surplus and there will be growth, ops normal really. No doubt QF will manage all of this in its usual manner, about 2 months behind the 8 ball.
As for the "pool" or hold file, QF will contintue to add to it as long as applications keep rolling in, filtering applicants through the process as positions open up in the company. You'll be on the hold file for as long as it takes you to move to the top of the heap in terms of "desirability" to the company.
QF mainline continues to employ but man oh man we're living in interesting times and they're becoming more so by the day. The QF tech-crew cost base is viewed by management as unsustainable and you can bet your a$$ they'll be doing everything in their power to whittle it back. Unfortunately the nature of this industry is such that there are always people willing to do the job for less. Still, it beats the hell out of a 9-5 desk job!
The number that I'm sure a lot of wannabes out there should be interested in is the 250 odd S/O positions over the next 3 or so years.
It does look like there could be a surplus of crew on a couple types with, as turbantime mentioned, the 330s going to J*, a Classic being parked and another 76 heading north to AO (for how long???). This will all be balanced out painfully slowly over the coming years though. Certainly the 380 and 78 will eventually replace some existing types but not in the immediate future. Look at the Classic, it's still charging along and the 76RRs' lease has been extended another 6 years. They're also slated for a (much needed) cabin refurbishment, I don't think BA's ever going to take them back.
There will be surplus and there will be growth, ops normal really. No doubt QF will manage all of this in its usual manner, about 2 months behind the 8 ball.
As for the "pool" or hold file, QF will contintue to add to it as long as applications keep rolling in, filtering applicants through the process as positions open up in the company. You'll be on the hold file for as long as it takes you to move to the top of the heap in terms of "desirability" to the company.
QF mainline continues to employ but man oh man we're living in interesting times and they're becoming more so by the day. The QF tech-crew cost base is viewed by management as unsustainable and you can bet your a$$ they'll be doing everything in their power to whittle it back. Unfortunately the nature of this industry is such that there are always people willing to do the job for less. Still, it beats the hell out of a 9-5 desk job!
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I know a few people that were successful in the 2006 Qantas cadetship scheme and whilst I was speaking with them after they attended the information day, they said the Qantas chief pilot stated:
*Qantas will be employing approximately 100 pilots a year over the next five years [direct entry]
*As the pilot pool is drying up, the cadetship scheme will be expanded...no word on how this will be done...
Hope this answers a few questions, I know it isn't much though!
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ME
*Qantas will be employing approximately 100 pilots a year over the next five years [direct entry]
*As the pilot pool is drying up, the cadetship scheme will be expanded...no word on how this will be done...
Hope this answers a few questions, I know it isn't much though!
Regards,
ME
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For the record the CP will be the last to know....
He is a bit of a loose cannon.
As to the demographic change, expect it to start biting around 2009 as many of the baby boomer captains start hitting the magic number
He is a bit of a loose cannon.
As to the demographic change, expect it to start biting around 2009 as many of the baby boomer captains start hitting the magic number
And what magic number would that be these days?
60? Yeah right!! 65....perhaps. Who knows....
There is no longer a magic number and you'd need a crystal ball (bloody good one at that) to work out how many will extend and how many will go.
60? Yeah right!! 65....perhaps. Who knows....
There is no longer a magic number and you'd need a crystal ball (bloody good one at that) to work out how many will extend and how many will go.
