IREX exam - questions?
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Rob Avery IREX practice exams. 4 of them in a book with red cover I believe... These are the closest you'll get to CASA ones. That was 2 years ago though...
You're a legend Rob!
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
IMO Jeppesen AIP Complete is around the same price as the CASA AIP these days, although the JEPP ERSA leaves a lot to be desired. You will need either a CASA or JEPPESEN AIP complete for the IREX exam.
I know they should contain exactly the same answers - this was just a heads up from those lovely people at ASL.
You'd be game challenging anything though - $130 straight up! In my opinion, that's the biggest load of
I've ever seen. Paying for the right to challenge a question? Don't get me started!Soulman.
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The text in the Jeppesen AIP is exactly the same as the CASA AIP. Jeppesen just rearrange the sections a bit and index them to suit.
The main drama is that the update cycle on Jeppesen is different to the CASA one, so at any one time you MAY have a discrepancy between the two if an important amendment has just come out in the CASA AIP.
Jeppersen AIP doesn't receive AIP Supps but it is amended more regularly on a two week cycle. I don't know for sure if current AIP Supps are incorporated at the same time, but I suspect they are.
There is also the possibility of a typo when Jeppesen transcribes them.
All the above is your fault if it causes you to get a question wrong!
I used the Jeppesen as I use them everyday and I can't find anything in the CASA AIP nowadays! I had no problems whatsoever.
Good Luck!
Z.
The main drama is that the update cycle on Jeppesen is different to the CASA one, so at any one time you MAY have a discrepancy between the two if an important amendment has just come out in the CASA AIP.
Jeppersen AIP doesn't receive AIP Supps but it is amended more regularly on a two week cycle. I don't know for sure if current AIP Supps are incorporated at the same time, but I suspect they are.
There is also the possibility of a typo when Jeppesen transcribes them.
All the above is your fault if it causes you to get a question wrong!
I used the Jeppesen as I use them everyday and I can't find anything in the CASA AIP nowadays! I had no problems whatsoever.
Good Luck!
Z.
Originally Posted by Roger Copy Ta
Do most pilots sitting their IREX and ATPL's buy their own copy of the CAR's and CAO's? I always thought the idea was to study notes (an abbreviated and simplified form of ALL the rules), learn the requirements and the exceptions (plus the exceptions to the exceptions!) by heart and refer to the charts, DAP's and the AIP's in the exam for everything else.
I'm self-studying for IREX now using Bob Tait's book which seems to cover everything I need to know from the Regs/Orders.
Does anyone recommend actually buying them or saving my cash for the 6 pack afterwards?
I'm self-studying for IREX now using Bob Tait's book which seems to cover everything I need to know from the Regs/Orders.
Does anyone recommend actually buying them or saving my cash for the 6 pack afterwards?
Originally Posted by AerocatS2A
I got all of the CARs, CAOs and CAAPs etc when I sat the IREX. Didn't need any of them for the exam.
Now I have let them all lapse but am about to do ATPL law. Now the company I work for has all the CASA docs but only on CD-ROM and I can't imagine being allowed to take my laptop into the exam. So, I can either not worry about it and hope I don't need them for the exam, or get the whole lot up to date again for the sake of maybe one question.
I'm tempted to just not worry about it.
Now I have let them all lapse but am about to do ATPL law. Now the company I work for has all the CASA docs but only on CD-ROM and I can't imagine being allowed to take my laptop into the exam. So, I can either not worry about it and hope I don't need them for the exam, or get the whole lot up to date again for the sake of maybe one question.
I'm tempted to just not worry about it.
You need all the pubs, JUST IN CASE Murphy's questions come along. As mentioned, on SOME exams you'll never open the cover, but each exam is a different selection of Q's from their big Q database. Need to be prepared for all of them.
I did my IREX last year, passed OK, but was still majorly ticked off at getting some of the basic Q's wrong
READ the questions! It's so easy to misread the Q.
CASA quite sneakily include answers for people who misread the Q's - for ALL their exams. They factor in the most probable mistakes and slap those answers in too, so don't assume anything.
Good luck. Yep, the several hour drive back lets you think all about it!
READ the questions! It's so easy to misread the Q.
CASA quite sneakily include answers for people who misread the Q's - for ALL their exams. They factor in the most probable mistakes and slap those answers in too, so don't assume anything.
Good luck. Yep, the several hour drive back lets you think all about it!
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Haven't found one person yet who got the question wrong for putting the right answer. So, so, so, so many times people don't Read The Foxtrot Question.
A few years ago I met a guy who wrote exam questions for the DCA and now back writing questions for CASA (was busy teaching CPL and ATPL while it was the CAA). _Extremely_ smart and experienced guy. Had all the appropriate qualifications from ATPL to Degree in Psychology and experience to match.
While studying for the CPL in particular (much less so with the ATPL and IREX) there were a lot of questions I really didn't like. If you read "Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewiesche (an excellent book!!) and compare it to the current Aviation Theory Centre books you'll notice a lot of differences. I flat out prefer S&R over the ATC books (there's a lot of things in the ATC books which I believe are absolute crap!! They were much better in the Trevor Thom days IMHO), so I always found it interesting to ask this particular guy some questions and see what his answer and explination once. Not once did he contradict either reference and would break the explination down in to one syllable words if required.
The guys writing the questions don't take short cuts, typically they take one day to write one question. If you thought it was easy just because it was multiple choice, you're absolutely wrong - spending one day writing a question you have a lot of time to find the same "wrong" references that don't answer the question and put it down as one of the options. 10 years of teaching the subjects gives you a lot of experience to find the interesting answers people can come up with given an Air Law exam and a set of CAOs.
It's not a trick, it's simply the most correct answer to the question. If you do the study, read the question, and put down the correct answer you will pass. Haven't failed one CASA exam yet doing that (and I've done PPL, CPL, IREX or ATPL - only CPL was paperbased, rest were cyberexams), exam results always reflected those three things closely - how much I studied, how much I read the question, and whether I answered the question correctly.
Without reading the questions or answers, I'd back CASA's answer up every time, especially given the people I've met complain about the exam questions being "wrong". My particular favourite was a person sitting their IREX exam. Practice exam scores went up from 40% to about the 80% mark, but every time they sat the CASA exam they'd get around 50%. Found this a little confusing at first - someone doing so much study but it wasn't reflected in their result. That was until I found they hadn't read the CIR book once, just kept doing practice exams, which happened to be the same four practice exams every night (and with the answer sheet sitting right next to you, I still can't work out how you can't get 100% when you've seen the exact same questions with answers every day for three months!!!!)
A few years ago I met a guy who wrote exam questions for the DCA and now back writing questions for CASA (was busy teaching CPL and ATPL while it was the CAA). _Extremely_ smart and experienced guy. Had all the appropriate qualifications from ATPL to Degree in Psychology and experience to match.
While studying for the CPL in particular (much less so with the ATPL and IREX) there were a lot of questions I really didn't like. If you read "Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewiesche (an excellent book!!) and compare it to the current Aviation Theory Centre books you'll notice a lot of differences. I flat out prefer S&R over the ATC books (there's a lot of things in the ATC books which I believe are absolute crap!! They were much better in the Trevor Thom days IMHO), so I always found it interesting to ask this particular guy some questions and see what his answer and explination once. Not once did he contradict either reference and would break the explination down in to one syllable words if required.
The guys writing the questions don't take short cuts, typically they take one day to write one question. If you thought it was easy just because it was multiple choice, you're absolutely wrong - spending one day writing a question you have a lot of time to find the same "wrong" references that don't answer the question and put it down as one of the options. 10 years of teaching the subjects gives you a lot of experience to find the interesting answers people can come up with given an Air Law exam and a set of CAOs.
It's not a trick, it's simply the most correct answer to the question. If you do the study, read the question, and put down the correct answer you will pass. Haven't failed one CASA exam yet doing that (and I've done PPL, CPL, IREX or ATPL - only CPL was paperbased, rest were cyberexams), exam results always reflected those three things closely - how much I studied, how much I read the question, and whether I answered the question correctly.
Without reading the questions or answers, I'd back CASA's answer up every time, especially given the people I've met complain about the exam questions being "wrong". My particular favourite was a person sitting their IREX exam. Practice exam scores went up from 40% to about the 80% mark, but every time they sat the CASA exam they'd get around 50%. Found this a little confusing at first - someone doing so much study but it wasn't reflected in their result. That was until I found they hadn't read the CIR book once, just kept doing practice exams, which happened to be the same four practice exams every night (and with the answer sheet sitting right next to you, I still can't work out how you can't get 100% when you've seen the exact same questions with answers every day for three months!!!!)
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Dead right kalavo! the questions are as much as an english test as well as a theory test in that you neeed to know the subject matter in a little more detail. You need to understand the question when you READ IT. Too many times people rush through exams (I have done it too) and dont take the time to simply read the question and say to themselves WHAT IS THE QUESTION ACTUALLY ASKING ME?????
Aerocat the line of thought you keep pursuing is based on what you have been told in the post. Dont you think if the question was asking about HIAL that the question is probing whether you understand what limitations it imposes if unserviceable. Alternate minima on the chart not affected, no worries you probably may have picked the 'sucker' answer and not read the question
. Common sense here me old, your line of thought does not take into account that the post may not have exact detail because it was MISREAD in the beginning hence incorrect response. Have been a little reserved in my replies to your posts SO FAR. If the question is about HIAL then think outside the square as to the possible answers 
just the same as the NVFR question only relating to charter not PVT/AWK.
As I have said I am resonably familiar with the IREX questions last student I trained scored 90% in IREX first time up. Personally I think the best text was Chris Henrys and the Rob Avery sample exams. Rob knows his stuff too and I have spoken to him on phone a few times and he is only too happy to help.
Gday Zhad
Cheers
Aerocat the line of thought you keep pursuing is based on what you have been told in the post. Dont you think if the question was asking about HIAL that the question is probing whether you understand what limitations it imposes if unserviceable. Alternate minima on the chart not affected, no worries you probably may have picked the 'sucker' answer and not read the question
. Common sense here me old, your line of thought does not take into account that the post may not have exact detail because it was MISREAD in the beginning hence incorrect response. Have been a little reserved in my replies to your posts SO FAR. If the question is about HIAL then think outside the square as to the possible answers just the same as the NVFR question only relating to charter not PVT/AWK.As I have said I am resonably familiar with the IREX questions last student I trained scored 90% in IREX first time up. Personally I think the best text was Chris Henrys and the Rob Avery sample exams. Rob knows his stuff too and I have spoken to him on phone a few times and he is only too happy to help.
Gday Zhad
Cheers
Originally Posted by Naughty S
Aerocat the line of thought you keep pursuing is based on what you have been told in the post. Dont you think if the question was asking about HIAL that the question is probing whether you understand what limitations it imposes if unserviceable. Alternate minima on the chart not affected, no worries you probably may have picked the 'sucker' answer and not read the question . Common sense here me old, your line of thought does not take into account that the post may not have exact detail because it was MISREAD in the beginning hence incorrect response. Have been a little reserved in my replies to your posts SO FAR. If the question is about HIAL then think outside the square as to the possible answers just the same as the NVFR question only relating to charter not PVT/AWK.
. Common sense here me old, your line of thought does not take into account that the post may not have exact detail because it was MISREAD in the beginning hence incorrect response. Have been a little reserved in my replies to your posts SO FAR. If the question is about HIAL then think outside the square as to the possible answers just the same as the NVFR question only relating to charter not PVT/AWK.
Originally Posted by Me
Are you sure you read and understood the exam questions?
