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Old 28th Mar 2006, 00:09
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So what were the options for that question?
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Old 28th Mar 2006, 00:58
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Go and buy the Rob Avery sample exams r.e. Aviation shop all the pilot stores sell them. They will cover every area for the exam if you can score a pass then go again. The exam before KDR had almost a 70% first time failure rate.

If wx below app minima alternate reqd in spite of alternate wx box if you continue on then common sense requires a backup escape route.

For the NVFR the question relates to a PVT/AWK so if it not CHTR you are not considering the NVFR 100Nm because it relates to CHTR only. Hence why it was not an answer as you are talking about AWK/PVT refer CAO 40.2.2 App I Section 5 1 hour night and 1 circuit.

Stay focused on the exam if you are scoring just below the 70% then there must be other areas you need to focus on as well. Its basically a flight rules exam with some met thrown in. Rob Averys exams will help as I have used them many a time when teaching this stuff.

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Old 28th Mar 2006, 04:25
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Originally Posted by Naughty S
If wx below app minima alternate reqd in spite of alternate wx box if you continue on then common sense requires a backup escape route.
The approach minima is not relevant as the alternate minima is always higher. If the weather is below the approach minima then of course you need an alternate as the weather will also be below the alternate minima.

None of that means that the alternate minima changes if the HIALs are out, it doesn't.
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Old 28th Mar 2006, 05:06
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halfmoon,

Have a good read of all your CAO's ie the 40 section for IFR and the 20.18 section for instruments req for IFR ops.

Know the aip terminal section and where to find stuff in it and finally the enr and gen sections etc...

further to that go to http://casa.gov.au/fsa/ for the back of the magazine IFR tech Q's they say they are not the casa exam q's but they are good practice for the real irex,

and finally RTFQ=1/2TBH!!!!
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Old 28th Mar 2006, 05:45
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Just curious, did you answer 1220' - 4.4km or 1220' - 7.0km??? Or another answer?

They are the two alternate planning minima for cairns. Casa generally put other factors in to the questions to put you off and make you go looking at the approach minima's.

Can anyone answer me this.... IF, according to the AIP's you cannot PLAN to use an RNAV Gnss approach, then why is there a seperate alternate planning minima for Cairns - for RNAV??

Even Bob was stumped with this. BTW Bob Tait's book is about $70. I'd say that's money well spent.
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Old 28th Mar 2006, 06:04
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No need to sink the boot aero. Kind of why I dont post much on the forums.

I am well aware of the regs. But further info is needed to correctly answer the question and as to exactly what is being asked and the answers provided. Remember RTFQ. As per my previous post if you are close to borderline then there are other areas in the KDR you need to look at and improve on.

You will get there in the end so stay focused on the job. The mountain is very big even with an instrument rating in the logbook.

Keep studying

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Old 28th Mar 2006, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Naughty S
No need to sink the boot aero. Kind of why I dont post much on the forums.
Wasn't meaning to sink the boot in, it just appeared that you were confused about the requirements (more likely you just weren't expressing yourself very well.)

Agreed that if you are failing then a couple of dodgy questions aren't the main problem.
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Old 28th Mar 2006, 12:26
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Would have to agree that Bob Tait is the man!! I used to love all his little pictures and diagrams in the text books and some of the multiple choice questions cracked me up!

Passed all my exams from his books first time and i love the clear way he explains everything for the average joe.

Here is a funny question from Air Law

A radar vectoring service will be terminated by the phrase

A resume own naviagtion
B squawk standby
C continue visually
D she's all yours mate
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Old 28th Mar 2006, 12:41
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I thought IREX was pretty easy (scoring a hunjy)... compared to CPL.. maybe because we had more time to study.. For CPL we had a few exams booked in for each day due to our tight flying schedule at the time. My advise is to get your hands on as many past papers as possible, and to know your AIP back to front.. or at least where to find everything and understand what it means. If you think you've found the answer always read a few pages either side to see if there are any conditions Eg the HIAL not available vis. Also questions refering to instrument plates - scan the entire plate for relevent info, including the notes at the bottom. Remember for your regs, there's the index to help you, and tag the areas which you can't find in the index.

P.s i dont think i used CAR once in IREX

And 4spooled.. the answer is definately D
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 02:42
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Do most pilots sitting their IREX and ATPL's buy their own copy of the CAR's and CAO's? I always thought the idea was to study notes (an abbreviated and simplified form of ALL the rules), learn the requirements and the exceptions (plus the exceptions to the exceptions!) by heart and refer to the charts, DAP's and the AIP's in the exam for everything else.

I'm self-studying for IREX now using Bob Tait's book which seems to cover everything I need to know from the Regs/Orders.

Does anyone recommend actually buying them or saving my cash for the 6 pack afterwards?
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 04:12
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You are a pilot are you not?

Then it is advisable to have all the tools and information available to you when it is required. I have to admit the price i paid for CAR CARS CAO and AIP was into the high $500's from memory, with a 12 month subscription service so it does hurt, but it is advisable to have them.

And if you remember everything contained in those books then you have a much better memory than myself!!
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 04:54
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IREX Exam Tips

Who is Bob Tait??? That really made me chuckle, and again. Perhaps this new chum has a bit to learn?
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 05:18
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The reason I have kept the HIAL App line of thought is because I am vaguely familiar with the question from the exam

I feel that the question being asked is confused with alternate minima vs approach minima as with no HIAL vis min changes. That is were I am coming from in my answers.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 06:08
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4SPOOLED: the information is freely available on CASA's website. I've never heard of pilots carrying all the CAR's, CASR's, CAO's and CAAP's with them in flight, so what use are they outside of the exam room except as expensive toilet paper? The contents of Bobs IREX book doesn't seem overly difficult to learn, so as long as it actually covers everthing that needs to be known why would you bother spending the extra $500?

What does everyone else think? Aviation is expensive enough without wasting money on documents you'll probably never look at again. Not trying to cut corners here... of course you need to know what's in them, but does everyone really need their own personal copy? Has anyone here done well in the IREX and ATPL's without having them?
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 06:09
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Most of the people I know who sat those exams (Including me) borrowed the books from friends.
It does cost a lot of money to purchase these books. I recommend you buy the Full AIP books DAPs/ ERSA/ AIP (or Jepps) because if your flying IFR you well need them. You can always look-up CAR's, CAO etc on the net for free, and be fairly safe in the knowledge that it is up to date and correct.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 06:21
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I got all of the CARs, CAOs and CAAPs etc when I sat the IREX. Didn't need any of them for the exam.

Now I have let them all lapse but am about to do ATPL law. Now the company I work for has all the CASA docs but only on CD-ROM and I can't imagine being allowed to take my laptop into the exam. So, I can either not worry about it and hope I don't need them for the exam, or get the whole lot up to date again for the sake of maybe one question.

I'm tempted to just not worry about it.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 06:56
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Originally Posted by Roger Copy Ta
4SPOOLED: the information is freely available on CASA's website. I've never heard of pilots carrying all the CAR's, CASR's, CAO's and CAAP's with them in flight, so what use are they outside of the exam room except as expensive toilet paper? The contents of Bobs IREX book doesn't seem overly difficult to learn, so as long as it actually covers everthing that needs to be known why would you bother spending the extra $500?
What does everyone else think? Aviation is expensive enough without wasting money on documents you'll probably never look at again. Not trying to cut corners here... of course you need to know what's in them, but does everyone really need their own personal copy? Has anyone here done well in the IREX and ATPL's without having them?
If you have time to start looking up these documents in the air you must have a great job! and i would literally fall on the floor laughing if i ever seen somebody carrying them in a box on to an aircraft.....Pretty silly thing to even suggest that i was implying you bring these on an aircraft.

However if you want to pass the CPL and ATPL Flight rules and Air law exams they are a must. Surely though you would want to have all tools available to you for your flight planning or/and other purposes?

I know they are available online, but they are much easier to use on paper TRUST ME i own a set!!

To pass the exams in a given time you must go through all the documents and mark them for ease of use and to aid you in the exam. Buy a set, you will never look back!

EDIT: at least buy the AIP, i use this all the time, the CAO's are also very handy!
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 07:43
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Ok, thanks for the advice.

Seems to be a variety of opinions on this though.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 10:11
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yeah definately worth buying them... why strain your brain trying to remember like a zillion rules off by heart when you can reference them in the exam... the more you flick through the regs the more it will stick in your head... If, however you are the thrifty type, buy AIPs and just borrow the rest... dont be an idiot by lessening your chances of success by not taking in all available resources.

Good luck with your exams!

P.s. Dont buy CAAPs just photocopy section 234 about the fuel recommendations.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 20:32
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You can't memorise approach and landing charts so obviously you will need these for the exam AND instrument training.

IMO Jeppesen AIP Complete is around the same price as the CASA AIP these days, although the JEPP ERSA leaves a lot to be desired. You will need either a CASA or JEPPESEN AIP complete for the IREX exam.
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