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I suggest you never let your family fly anywhere else but Australia then.
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If being a pilot is one of the safest jobs around, how come it's so hard getting life insurance with your superanuation. Of course they have to give it to you, it's against the law not to. But watch em try and weazel out of it.
As far as low time drivers being covered for insurance, normally it will be say an excess of say 3% hull value, then reducing to say 1% certain time has reached.
It's allways easier to get a cheaper insurance cost with named pilots only, but that is not possible with such fast movement of pilots through the ranks. So companies may go for a blanket cover statement saying 500 min, or 250 PIC etc.
As far as low time drivers being covered for insurance, normally it will be say an excess of say 3% hull value, then reducing to say 1% certain time has reached.
It's allways easier to get a cheaper insurance cost with named pilots only, but that is not possible with such fast movement of pilots through the ranks. So companies may go for a blanket cover statement saying 500 min, or 250 PIC etc.
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Some very sound and thought out posts by 404 titan 
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I can assure you insurance minimums can apply even with CAR217 organisations in place. I was recently amazed of the minimums required by an insurer for a position of C310 PIC that specified not only mimimum multi PIC but minimum time on type PIC. And the PIC on type was set at 50 hours (for a C310!). We applied for and got a reduction based on the training programs in place together with the acceptance of higher claim excess. But this is exactly the point I am trying to get across here, its not just some old company owner saying "Boy - go and get some command time before I let you let you loose in my Kero Burner". Its the company owner managing his company in what he sees as the most viable way.
Now in regard to Kero Burners, this respective insurer had even gone so far as to require the specific details of PIC for the aircraft. The options were simple, go with their requirements or be prepared to pay a higher premium & claim excess.
Given the cost of running an aviation business in Aus at the present time, can you blame the company owner/management for taking an option that minimises cost.
Grivation
I'll just let that one one fly because it looks like your fishing! 
Jet A_OK
Outfits with CAR 217 systems don't have insurance minimums (not that I've ever seen).
Now in regard to Kero Burners, this respective insurer had even gone so far as to require the specific details of PIC for the aircraft. The options were simple, go with their requirements or be prepared to pay a higher premium & claim excess.
Given the cost of running an aviation business in Aus at the present time, can you blame the company owner/management for taking an option that minimises cost.
Grivation
Maybe rmcdonal, you should sit down and design a good competency based command upgrade program.
Then splatman could present it to his underwriters and make a case for a premium reduction.
Then splatman could present it to his underwriters and make a case for a premium reduction.
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rmcdonal bro you are very correct the autopilot does land in CAT3B. But brother how does the aircraft find its way the the gate in 75M RVR. That the bit I find the hardest. Have seen many guys come through the system with low hours and operate well. Every style of flying has its pros and cons be it bush flying or airline. Dont hate on those that have done their flying a different way. Pre 9/11 our cadets did not have to pay so it gave many people the oportunity to learn to fly that would not been otherwise able too.
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every one is right about getting more multi command time first, but even if you didnt, you would probably have a bit of trouble finding a metro to go on, most are owned by qantas group companies and generally their more experienced candidates or cadets get the first look in.
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75 instrument flight time. A couple of questions:
1.the 10 hours instrument flight time for my CPL and the 20 hours required for the I/R will that count towards the 75 hours required?
2.If I am flying at night out in the boon docks, where it is as black as the ace of spades, can I count that as instrument flight time. For instance if I am flying at night when there is no moon between Alice Springs and Mt. Isa which is a couple of hours, can I legimately log it as instrument flight time? Auto -Pilot off.
1.the 10 hours instrument flight time for my CPL and the 20 hours required for the I/R will that count towards the 75 hours required?
2.If I am flying at night out in the boon docks, where it is as black as the ace of spades, can I count that as instrument flight time. For instance if I am flying at night when there is no moon between Alice Springs and Mt. Isa which is a couple of hours, can I legimately log it as instrument flight time? Auto -Pilot off.
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I can answer Q2. No. You can't claim IF at night unless your actualy in cloud. Even though you maybe short one horizon and the worl is pitch black
http://www.casa.gov.au/fcl/flight_time.htm
Doesn't matter if the Auto-pilot is on or off for IF logging.
I can answer Q2. No. You can't claim IF at night unless your actualy in cloud. Even though you maybe short one horizon and the worl is pitch black
Instrument Flight Time All flight time during which the aircraft was controlled solely by reference to instruments may be recorded in the instrument 'Flight' column:
a) Time above overcast or at night in Visual Meteorological Conditions (VMC) is not counted as instrument flight;
b) In actual or simulated instrument conditions, only the pilot manipulating the controls or providing input to the auto-pilot may log all flight time as instrument flight;
c) A flight conducted on an Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plan is not to be counted as instrument flight unless flying in IMC;
d) Instrument approaches are to be credited to the pilot (pilots, in the case of an airborne radar approach) manipulating the controls or providing input to the auto-pilot during the approach.
a) Time above overcast or at night in Visual Meteorological Conditions (VMC) is not counted as instrument flight;
b) In actual or simulated instrument conditions, only the pilot manipulating the controls or providing input to the auto-pilot may log all flight time as instrument flight;
c) A flight conducted on an Instrument Flight Rules (IFR) flight plan is not to be counted as instrument flight unless flying in IMC;
d) Instrument approaches are to be credited to the pilot (pilots, in the case of an airborne radar approach) manipulating the controls or providing input to the auto-pilot during the approach.
Doesn't matter if the Auto-pilot is on or off for IF logging.
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Thanks for that.
Point b) confirms that the 10hrs inst time for the CPL and the 20 hrs for the I/R will count towards the 75 hrs instrument time.
Interesting though an instrument approach can be logged as inst time regardless of met conditions.
Considering the good wx we have in Oz its going to be difficult getting the rest of the hours unless one conducts inst approaches which is going to be difficult, seeing time is money. I guess the other alternative is to go up north during the wet season and fly through cloud but avoiding the CB's.
Point b) confirms that the 10hrs inst time for the CPL and the 20 hrs for the I/R will count towards the 75 hrs instrument time.
Interesting though an instrument approach can be logged as inst time regardless of met conditions.
Considering the good wx we have in Oz its going to be difficult getting the rest of the hours unless one conducts inst approaches which is going to be difficult, seeing time is money. I guess the other alternative is to go up north during the wet season and fly through cloud but avoiding the CB's.
Nothing stopping you from getting your hands on some fogels and flying around in simulated IMC... except that then you wont be able to dodge the VFR guys transiting your level. 
Are you sure you can log appchs as IF time if there visual? I know you can log them for recency but I don't think you can log the time taken to do one unless it's actauly in IMC.
Are you sure you can log appchs as IF time if there visual? I know you can log them for recency but I don't think you can log the time taken to do one unless it's actauly in IMC.
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Para.d) says instrument approaches, does not stipulate IMC. If one considers an instrument approach, to execute it proffficently one would have to fly accurately and within limits so I guess the pilot will not have time to gaze outside. So I guess its I/F.
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If you read it carefully, you'll notice that not only does para (d) not say IMC, it also does not say logging. It says CREDIT, ie, you may complete the approach in VMC, and credit it to your recency for approaches. If it isn't in IMC, you get jack **** for the IF column. Using your logic, if i keep my head inside the cockpit at all times, and fly on track, I could log all flight as IF, couldn't I?
You can't claim IF at night unless your actualy in cloud. Even though you maybe short one horizon and the worl is pitch black
It would still be VMC even if you are on instruments.
I remember this point was made to me by a FI when I did my NVFR. Pitch black night no horizon. Me flying on instruments asking if I could log it as IF. No was the answer, because you are in VMC (clear of cloud 10k viz etc). Funy thing about it was later in life I was flying under the same conditions (except on an IFR plan) and flew into some cloud. The only deiiference was that the strobes started to reflect back into the cockpit.
I remember this point was made to me by a FI when I did my NVFR. Pitch black night no horizon. Me flying on instruments asking if I could log it as IF. No was the answer, because you are in VMC (clear of cloud 10k viz etc). Funy thing about it was later in life I was flying under the same conditions (except on an IFR plan) and flew into some cloud. The only deiiference was that the strobes started to reflect back into the cockpit.
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If it isn't in IMC, you get jack **** for the IF column. Using your logic, if i keep my head inside the cockpit at all times, and fly on track, I could log all flight as IF, couldn't I?
Well mungrel, during your I/R training Im sure you flew around on days which were VMC for hundreds of miles , the only thing that made it IFR was you wearing a hood. The purpose of which was to make you fly on instruments ie your head in the cockpit. A black night would do that, any instrument approach whether day or night would be the same, ie head inside.
If it isn't in IMC, you get jack **** for the IF column. Using your logic, if i keep my head inside the cockpit at all times, and fly on track, I could log all flight as IF, couldn't I?
Well mungrel, during your I/R training Im sure you flew around on days which were VMC for hundreds of miles , the only thing that made it IFR was you wearing a hood. The purpose of which was to make you fly on instruments ie your head in the cockpit. A black night would do that, any instrument approach whether day or night would be the same, ie head inside.
When you live....
Originally Posted by morning mungrel
If you read it carefully, you'll notice that not only does para (d) not say IMC, it also does not say logging. It says CREDIT, ie, you may complete the approach in VMC, and credit it to your recency for approaches. If it isn't in IMC, you get jack **** for the IF column. Using your logic, if i keep my head inside the cockpit at all times, and fly on track, I could log all flight as IF, couldn't I?
Except for 'see and avoid'...............
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Would someone with 150 PI hours ,Total Time,actualy get a command position?.....
and if so,who,s fault is that.....most of us(not all) are doing this for a "command" position....beggars cant be choosers,and we are all beggars!!!
and if so,who,s fault is that.....most of us(not all) are doing this for a "command" position....beggars cant be choosers,and we are all beggars!!!
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VMC???
I thought that VMC meant 5km vis etc... SO??? If,
How much vis do you have??? I would say ZERO... And if the PIC is the approved wx observer for the flight, then you can log it as instrument!!!
Just another way of looking at it...
It is a bit like the saying, if a tree falls in the forest. If there is nothing to see, how do you know how far you can see???
Or, getting out of bed in the middle of a pitch black night, you can wave your hand in front of your eyes and not see it... even with your eyes open!!!
You can't claim IF at night unless your actualy in cloud. Even though you maybe short one horizon and the worl is pitch black
Just another way of looking at it...
It is a bit like the saying, if a tree falls in the forest. If there is nothing to see, how do you know how far you can see???
Or, getting out of bed in the middle of a pitch black night, you can wave your hand in front of your eyes and not see it... even with your eyes open!!!
