Instructor Job going down south
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Instructor Job going down south
Just got off the phone to a mate who was gonna take it but decided not to move...
Don't wanna breach pprune policies, but if you visit the Oracle (aka Google) and type in something like "airvan caravan flying school victoria" you may just find them...
Coincidentally with most preps starting their first day today, I remember my first day at primary school in Grade 2 and 3 and it was a great day!
Time is of the essence.
Don't wanna breach pprune policies, but if you visit the Oracle (aka Google) and type in something like "airvan caravan flying school victoria" you may just find them...
Coincidentally with most preps starting their first day today, I remember my first day at primary school in Grade 2 and 3 and it was a great day!
Time is of the essence.
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Apparently looking for Senior Grade 3 and have only received 2 resume's thus far! I can't believe that with all the instructors out there that no-one is ringing... salary poistion!
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Well rather than sit here on the PC theorising about it, I rang them, but unfortunately I wasn't qualified for this job.
They are looking for Snr Grade 3 pref, or grade 2. No charter work at present, but probably later on, perhaps a year or so.
Apparently stacks of TIFS on the books at the moment and plenty of students. A guy has left and another moved into charter, so very busy.
Salary position; certainly sounded like a good position to me.
No Pipers, just Tommy, 172's, Airvans and Decath.
They need someone like THIS week....!
Worth a call...
They are looking for Snr Grade 3 pref, or grade 2. No charter work at present, but probably later on, perhaps a year or so.
Apparently stacks of TIFS on the books at the moment and plenty of students. A guy has left and another moved into charter, so very busy.
Salary position; certainly sounded like a good position to me.
No Pipers, just Tommy, 172's, Airvans and Decath.
They need someone like THIS week....!
Worth a call...
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Squawk7700. Expecting much, to get a Grade2 to travel 2 hours from the city, just to fly constant abinitio. I thought they had more advanced aircraft like the Cirrus etc. How come no charter for a year? Anyway most of the newbies have Instrument ratings. Why would an Instructor with an Instrument Rating let it lapse while he is banging around the circuit in a Tommy?
C152 quotes" Expecting much, to get a Grade2 to travel 2 hours from the city" Ummmm... Tooradin is like 45 minutes from Melbourne; don't know where you got your 2 hours from!
I didn't write the job advert so I don't know.
Name a flying school at Moorabbin that will give any decent amounts of charter work to a grade 3...??? There's like a dozen instructors at some schools there when they really only need a few. It just kills it for everyone out there trying to make a living. I know guys at Moorabbin that struggle to get 30 hours a month.
The Tooradin job is like 70+ AND on a salary...!
Sure they have a couple of Cirruses? Have you ever flown one? Students don't learn to fly in the Cirrus; it's just too expensive. You don't need 200 or 315 horses if you are banging around in a circuit.
As for a year, well I asked and it was a guide. There's stacks of charter stuff there inc joy flights so anything is possible. They also have twins there anyway, so anything is possible.
It's the best job in Melbourne right now by far. If I didn't have to move the Mrs. and kids I'd be there in a flash.
I didn't write the job advert so I don't know.
Name a flying school at Moorabbin that will give any decent amounts of charter work to a grade 3...??? There's like a dozen instructors at some schools there when they really only need a few. It just kills it for everyone out there trying to make a living. I know guys at Moorabbin that struggle to get 30 hours a month.
The Tooradin job is like 70+ AND on a salary...!
Sure they have a couple of Cirruses? Have you ever flown one? Students don't learn to fly in the Cirrus; it's just too expensive. You don't need 200 or 315 horses if you are banging around in a circuit.
As for a year, well I asked and it was a guide. There's stacks of charter stuff there inc joy flights so anything is possible. They also have twins there anyway, so anything is possible.
It's the best job in Melbourne right now by far. If I didn't have to move the Mrs. and kids I'd be there in a flash.
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Depends where in Melbourne you live...
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From Prahran it takes around 45 minutes each way to Tooradin.
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Maybe at YOUR flying school they do, but there are plenty that don't.
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Because they'll get boucoup hours and get paid 
From what I've seen, not many instructors get to maintain their IFR currency by instructing alone (apart from the obvious).
I don't work for them, but know a few of the guys down there. Lots of work, and if you get on the charters, there's lots of that, too.
Not everyone agrees with how they do things down there, but Tooradin is a booming airport, at a time when YMMB is in a decline.
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From Prahran it takes around 45 minutes each way to Tooradin.
C152R:
Anyway most of the newbies have Instrument ratings.
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Why would an Instructor with an Instrument Rating let it lapse while he is banging around the circuit in a Tommy?
From what I've seen, not many instructors get to maintain their IFR currency by instructing alone (apart from the obvious).
I don't work for them, but know a few of the guys down there. Lots of work, and if you get on the charters, there's lots of that, too.
Not everyone agrees with how they do things down there, but Tooradin is a booming airport, at a time when YMMB is in a decline.
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Funny world we live in
What i don't understand, is how there can be so many people complaining about how there are too many pilots and too few jobs. In fact, right now there is another thread titled "too many pilots and instructors". Well if there are so many, why isn't this position being filled. Are people waiting for a call from Qantas with 200hrs???
And just to clarify above, from what i've heard whilst new pilots start instructing and joyflighting on the tommy, 172, cirrus and decath.....usually within 6 months they are given airvan time and charter experience.......
I know from my time at mb (spending more time emptying bins than flying) this would be a great kick-start to anyones career.
Enough from me for now.
And just to clarify above, from what i've heard whilst new pilots start instructing and joyflighting on the tommy, 172, cirrus and decath.....usually within 6 months they are given airvan time and charter experience.......
I know from my time at mb (spending more time emptying bins than flying) this would be a great kick-start to anyones career.
Enough from me for now.
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Who the hell knows.....
Mate of mine had a job going recently.
Decent $$, lots hours.
Had over 70 CVs on file.
Went to interview.
Only one guy showed up.
He got the job!
My theory: there's about 3 real wannabes for every couple of jobs in GA, and another 10 who wanna stand on the sidelines and complain cos the charter dudes at YSBK wont give them a chieftan job with 200hrs and an MECIR and who'd want the job anyway cos they dont pay the award and they make you pay for your endorsement and there's only a KFC at the airport and I like McDonalds and aeroplane has green stripes but I like red stripes and....
Mate of mine had a job going recently.
Decent $$, lots hours.
Had over 70 CVs on file.
Went to interview.
Only one guy showed up.
He got the job!
My theory: there's about 3 real wannabes for every couple of jobs in GA, and another 10 who wanna stand on the sidelines and complain cos the charter dudes at YSBK wont give them a chieftan job with 200hrs and an MECIR and who'd want the job anyway cos they dont pay the award and they make you pay for your endorsement and there's only a KFC at the airport and I like McDonalds and aeroplane has green stripes but I like red stripes and....
there's about 3 real wannabes for every couple of jobs in GA, and another 10 who wanna stand on the sidelines and complain cos the charter dudes at YSBK wont give them a chieftan job with 200hrs and an MECIR
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Ihave been monitoring this dilemma for over two years and talking to wannabes like myself,the general consensus is that there were lots of Grade3 instructors around. Those Grade3s who want to move because their present employer won't upgrade them to a Grade2 can't do so, beause their employers will bad mouth them so that they cant leave.
This way an employer retains the grade3 without having to pay them Grade2 wages. However the GA Award does say that an employer must pay Grade2 wages once a pilot reaches 300 hours, please correct me if Im wrong.
I would love to instruct but when I see this sort of thing happening, is it really worth spending the money to get licences & ratings to be treated like this.
This way an employer retains the grade3 without having to pay them Grade2 wages. However the GA Award does say that an employer must pay Grade2 wages once a pilot reaches 300 hours, please correct me if Im wrong.
I would love to instruct but when I see this sort of thing happening, is it really worth spending the money to get licences & ratings to be treated like this.
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Who the hell knows.....
Mate of mine had a job going recently.
Decent $$, lots hours.
Had over 70 CVs on file.
Went to interview.
Only one guy showed up.
He got the job!
My theory: there's about 3 real wannabes for every couple of jobs in GA, and another 10 who wanna stand on the sidelines and complain cos the charter dudes at YSBK wont give them a chieftan job with 200hrs and an MECIR and who'd want the job anyway cos they dont pay the award and they make you pay for your endorsement and there's only a KFC at the airport and I like McDonalds and aeroplane has green stripes but I like red stripes and....
Mate of mine had a job going recently.
Decent $$, lots hours.
Had over 70 CVs on file.
Went to interview.
Only one guy showed up.
He got the job!
My theory: there's about 3 real wannabes for every couple of jobs in GA, and another 10 who wanna stand on the sidelines and complain cos the charter dudes at YSBK wont give them a chieftan job with 200hrs and an MECIR and who'd want the job anyway cos they dont pay the award and they make you pay for your endorsement and there's only a KFC at the airport and I like McDonalds and aeroplane has green stripes but I like red stripes and....
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Who do they think they are? Well please enlighten me puff cos to be quite honest I've allways wondered.
Pilot job = lots of people want = employer goes with best option (someone who'll pay for endorsement, work for little $$ etc, and fly the aircraft just as well as puff will).
Just in case puff didn't understand, here's a non-aviation analogy for puff.....
Sexy girlfirend = lots of people want = sexy girl goes with best option (good looking guy with personality, money etc etc). Keep holding out puff, i'm sure one day puff will find a chick who loves puff cos puff's ugly, poor and boring.
May be puff should find something like:
Crappy job = not many people want = employee goes with best option (best pay, best hours, best conditions). Make sure to explain law of market forces to employer when they ask puff why he will only work for above the award....
Pilot job = lots of people want = employer goes with best option (someone who'll pay for endorsement, work for little $$ etc, and fly the aircraft just as well as puff will).
Just in case puff didn't understand, here's a non-aviation analogy for puff.....
Sexy girlfirend = lots of people want = sexy girl goes with best option (good looking guy with personality, money etc etc). Keep holding out puff, i'm sure one day puff will find a chick who loves puff cos puff's ugly, poor and boring.
May be puff should find something like:
Crappy job = not many people want = employee goes with best option (best pay, best hours, best conditions). Make sure to explain law of market forces to employer when they ask puff why he will only work for above the award....
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Nice analogy SC, hope puff doesn't take it too personally....hehe
I think we all know by now that it is supply VS demand, and in the aviation industry, supply is always going to be in excess.
But from what i've heard of Tooradin, whatever anyone says, they do treat their staff well. All receive the award salary (including their 4/6 weeks paid annual leave) as well as a generally friendly and supportive environment. Apparently the boss is a real friendly character.
So, it appears to me that this opportunity has the best of both worlds.
I think we all know by now that it is supply VS demand, and in the aviation industry, supply is always going to be in excess.
But from what i've heard of Tooradin, whatever anyone says, they do treat their staff well. All receive the award salary (including their 4/6 weeks paid annual leave) as well as a generally friendly and supportive environment. Apparently the boss is a real friendly character.
So, it appears to me that this opportunity has the best of both worlds.
And people actually wonder why this industry is the way it is........you have it in one post. You completely agree with the way employers treat pilots because 'thats the way it is', way to make a change buddy. Why not pay them for the priviledge of flying their precious aircraft.
Fair days pay for a fair days work, an Award wage..my god WHAT was I thinking! I do apologise, I am so foolish, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
Fair days pay for a fair days work, an Award wage..my god WHAT was I thinking! I do apologise, I am so foolish, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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Hey puff,
I think you missed the point of my post, so before you get all huffed and 'puffed' out, let me explain.
All I meant to say, was that at TDN the conditions are better than the 'expected' for aviation. If only more small companies treated their staff this way, then you wouldn't get so angry all the time.
No-one including myself condones the way the insustry functions. I'm sure most of the people posting on this site have not only experieced but accepted such conditions at some stage. Unfortunately, it takes more than one person to change an industry.
I think you missed the point of my post, so before you get all huffed and 'puffed' out, let me explain.
All I meant to say, was that at TDN the conditions are better than the 'expected' for aviation. If only more small companies treated their staff this way, then you wouldn't get so angry all the time.
No-one including myself condones the way the insustry functions. I'm sure most of the people posting on this site have not only experieced but accepted such conditions at some stage. Unfortunately, it takes more than one person to change an industry.
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Crickey! I've never heard so much bitching by *grown* men before. (sorry if any of you were women)
This thread started as what looked like a job advert for a good salary position with the promise of good flying hours and has ended up a bitch about salaries!
If you're not happy where you are, find another job elsewhere! or better still change jobs. For the cost of an Instrument rating, one could do a computer course, earn more than twice the salary and fly on the weekends for fun.
This thread started as what looked like a job advert for a good salary position with the promise of good flying hours and has ended up a bitch about salaries!
If you're not happy where you are, find another job elsewhere! or better still change jobs. For the cost of an Instrument rating, one could do a computer course, earn more than twice the salary and fly on the weekends for fun.
