Caravan Ran off runway at Caloundra
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Caravan Ran off runway at Caloundra
From the last thread about the Caravan Crash at Caloundra. Someone has edited a post after it closed. Quite interesting.
It reads that the pilot claimed to have been distracted by another plane parked at the terminal.
Anyone know what the plane at the terminal was doing to distract him from his primary objective. You know, LANDING???
I just don't get how you can miss the whole runway. It's one thing to land long, but another thing to touch down after the end of the runway.
hmmmmm, can anyone help me on this one??
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It reads that the pilot claimed to have been distracted by another plane parked at the terminal.
Anyone know what the plane at the terminal was doing to distract him from his primary objective. You know, LANDING???
I just don't get how you can miss the whole runway. It's one thing to land long, but another thing to touch down after the end of the runway.
hmmmmm, can anyone help me on this one??
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I asked the same question on the original thread as well. Somehow the answer got lost in the myriad of "how to manage" the turbine/propellor combination responses.
Just how does one stuff up an approach and landing that finishes up 450 or so metres past the upwind end of a 700 metre dry bitumen runway (and knock down a 3 metre chain wire fence to boot)
"another plane (sic) parked at the terminal"
There is NO terminal at Caloundra (toilet yes, terminal NO).
I wonder if "another plane parked at the terminal" is code for "I really stuffed that up"
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Just how does one stuff up an approach and landing that finishes up 450 or so metres past the upwind end of a 700 metre dry bitumen runway (and knock down a 3 metre chain wire fence to boot)
"another plane (sic) parked at the terminal"
There is NO terminal at Caloundra (toilet yes, terminal NO).
I wonder if "another plane parked at the terminal" is code for "I really stuffed that up"
tipsy
I was wondering the same thing myself. Me thinks someone spun a great story to the local newspaper reporter who took it hook, line and sinker. It was then posted here on Pprune and again taken as gospel by some. To be distracted as a single pilot in an emergency is one thing, but two pilots making a decision to carry out a simulated forced landing and then overshooting by around 60mts, please Woomera, let this go on a bit, surely there is more to this than what Senior Sargent Ken has to say about it.
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RE: Newspaper Reports
The local very amateurish "Sunshine Coast Daily" was the word for word source quoted by other papers elsewhere.
This same SCD also had a report yesterday about the local RC aircraft club. That report claimed the club set a world record of some 57 secs to cover 10 laps of a 4 KM course.
Yep thats nearly 2400 kilometre per hour, PHEW
I think we can safely say "some of the press report is factual and some is not".
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The local very amateurish "Sunshine Coast Daily" was the word for word source quoted by other papers elsewhere.
This same SCD also had a report yesterday about the local RC aircraft club. That report claimed the club set a world record of some 57 secs to cover 10 laps of a 4 KM course.
Yep thats nearly 2400 kilometre per hour, PHEW
I think we can safely say "some of the press report is factual and some is not".
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There would have to be other factors here that we do not yet know about. The instructor is a very experienced well known gentleman, as was the student.
I remember there being a mod that came out for the C208 that was required for UK certification, that among other things meant some kind of additional "gate" on the power lever to get it forward of flight idle, I don't remember anything being modified or different about the prop lever. My memory is a bit scratchy, does any one else have any thing to add to which might have troubled them in unfeathering the prop?
I remember there being a mod that came out for the C208 that was required for UK certification, that among other things meant some kind of additional "gate" on the power lever to get it forward of flight idle, I don't remember anything being modified or different about the prop lever. My memory is a bit scratchy, does any one else have any thing to add to which might have troubled them in unfeathering the prop?
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Story is that the instructor was demonstrating a fully feathered approach and simply floated beyond the end of the runway. I know nil about Caravans but have been told that it takes about 10 seconds to come out of feather making it very difficult to have a last second change of mind.
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I think the "mod" you may be refering to is that the track for the conditon lever is covered by a strip of rubber (for want of a better description). I am not sure of the reason it is there, but effectively you are unable to visually see where the lever is in respect to the gate.
Re this incident, the instructer will carry the can but one wonders why there is not a standard to teach to.
Pub 47 was a standard for instructors, perhaps that needs to be reinvented.
I think the "mod" you may be refering to is that the track for the conditon lever is covered by a strip of rubber (for want of a better description). I am not sure of the reason it is there, but effectively you are unable to visually see where the lever is in respect to the gate.
Re this incident, the instructer will carry the can but one wonders why there is not a standard to teach to.
Pub 47 was a standard for instructors, perhaps that needs to be reinvented.
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Yep the prop does take a while to come out of feather. When I was in a real hurry I would push the power lever up after pushing the prop up and it would unfeather quicker, well as it seemed to me. Anyone else agree? But that was if the engine was kept going, normaly we would start at full fine.
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Fully Feathered glide approach
If this procedure is normally applied to achieve best glide range in the C208 then you would think the "INSTRUCTOR" would be familiar with it and skilled in its application including his JUDGEMENT of the approach.
Similar to the use of coarse pitch in a piston single glide approach, giving a bit less drag and more gliding range (a good thing methinks).
Surely this is simply a human factor of a misjudged approach? For any number of reasons, rushing, over-confidence, or simply an honest stuff up. We all make them from time to time BUT...an instructor demonstrating an emergency has a duty of care to avoid the exercise becoming a REAL emergency!
Of course I'm serious...and don't call me Shirley!
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Similar to the use of coarse pitch in a piston single glide approach, giving a bit less drag and more gliding range (a good thing methinks).
Surely this is simply a human factor of a misjudged approach? For any number of reasons, rushing, over-confidence, or simply an honest stuff up. We all make them from time to time BUT...an instructor demonstrating an emergency has a duty of care to avoid the exercise becoming a REAL emergency!
Of course I'm serious...and don't call me Shirley!
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As a matter of interest, this particular 208B is an FAA certificated job and does not have the British CAA kit, which among other things requires the rubber strips covering the quadrant slots (presumably to stop things dropping in, eg British coins or some such). The detents are visible on the FAA aircraft.
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Folks, it doesn't matter, just heard a rumour that ATSB may not choose to investigate this insignificant little incident.
The subject is apparently closed and finished, regardless of everyone's knowledge of feather, low idle, high idle, rubber strips etc.
do as the guvmint has decreed, move on!
where's the taxi driver when he's really needed?
The subject is apparently closed and finished, regardless of everyone's knowledge of feather, low idle, high idle, rubber strips etc.
do as the guvmint has decreed, move on!
where's the taxi driver when he's really needed?
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Confirmed.
No latex gloves, no loss of RPT AOC, no cancelling of Chief Pilot approvals,
no cancelling of pilot's ratings and approvals.
(This is what the taxidriver did to their neighbour, lucky he's gone ?)
This is a new era, counselling and consoling instead of bastardry, no problems with that, it's how things can be handled.
It's called safety, not enforcement opportunity.
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Confirmed.
No latex gloves, no loss of RPT AOC, no cancelling of Chief Pilot approvals,
no cancelling of pilot's ratings and approvals.
(This is what the taxidriver did to their neighbour, lucky he's gone ?)
This is a new era, counselling and consoling instead of bastardry, no problems with that, it's how things can be handled.
It's called safety, not enforcement opportunity.
MF
So if I want to learn about this accident, in case there is a lesson in it for single turboprop instructors, where do I go? Isn't that part of a flying safety culture?
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Originally Posted by tipsy2
RE: Newspaper Reports
This same SCD also had a report yesterday about the local RC aircraft club. That report claimed the club set a world record of some 57 secs to cover 10 laps of a 4 KM course.
Yep thats nearly 2400 kilometre per hour, PHEW
I think we can safely say "some of the press report is factual and some is not".
tipsy
This same SCD also had a report yesterday about the local RC aircraft club. That report claimed the club set a world record of some 57 secs to cover 10 laps of a 4 KM course.
Yep thats nearly 2400 kilometre per hour, PHEW
I think we can safely say "some of the press report is factual and some is not".
tipsy
4000/57=70.175m/sec
70.175*60=4210.526m/min
4210.526*60=252631.57m/hr
252631.57/1000=252.63km/hr
Best not to say that the reporter was wrong for that story. It seems quite possible.
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'10 laps of a 4km course' is 40,000m.
Ten laps of a course that adds up to 4km is a slightly different thing.
The point is still proven though. The reporting of such events is hugely inaccurate!
Ten laps of a course that adds up to 4km is a slightly different thing.
The point is still proven though. The reporting of such events is hugely inaccurate!
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Hypocrites with personal agendas.........
Considering nobody was injured or killed, the damage is probably fairly minor, and the entire incident could be described as nothing more than a handling error....why then would the ATSB get together a team of investigators, burn up resources and rush to the scene? What great safety breach are they likely to uncover and what are the likely long term safety benefits to the australian transport industry by having a full suspension of licence and cancellation of all approvals to the operators by a government agency???
Maybe the ATSB should rush out with a full team of investigators and suspend everybody involved each and every time a road train has a fender bender on the pacific highway too.....
Some of you blokes are total hypocrites. You bleat like stuck pigs when the authorities get involved in the busiess of aviation and now you bleat when they don't get involved............I wonder why.
Maybe the ATSB should rush out with a full team of investigators and suspend everybody involved each and every time a road train has a fender bender on the pacific highway too.....
Some of you blokes are total hypocrites. You bleat like stuck pigs when the authorities get involved in the busiess of aviation and now you bleat when they don't get involved............I wonder why.