No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
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Re: No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
but the guys weren't pilots that did the damage. people loose that fact in all the BS hype. they were pax. screen the pax, not the pilots.
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Re: No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
I also wonder why, after 13 years of flying, I have to suddenly prove to the government that I am not a terrorist.
Easy answer. votes. Like another reply said, the govt want to be seen doing something. As long as the public believe they are safe, they will keep little Johnny in power. Don't forget most of the population don't know the first thing about aviation, so it doesn't matter to the gvernment if what they're implementing is inherently useless.
If an individual is committed enough to be a terrorist, obtaining ASICs, photo licenses, removing padlocks on controls will hardly be an issue.
Scare tactics are extremely useful, mention Al Qaeda and everyone listens. Lets not forget the origins of Al Qaeda, the Mujhedin, and who gave US$300 million to kick off the Mujhedin? Uncle Sam.
Dare I say the real solution to terrorism is for the west to stop treating the Middle East like crap.
In the mean time.....
Sadly, if we wan to keep flying we have to keep jumping through these hoops, no matter how incompetent Sta....I mean Howard is
Easy answer. votes. Like another reply said, the govt want to be seen doing something. As long as the public believe they are safe, they will keep little Johnny in power. Don't forget most of the population don't know the first thing about aviation, so it doesn't matter to the gvernment if what they're implementing is inherently useless.
If an individual is committed enough to be a terrorist, obtaining ASICs, photo licenses, removing padlocks on controls will hardly be an issue.
Scare tactics are extremely useful, mention Al Qaeda and everyone listens. Lets not forget the origins of Al Qaeda, the Mujhedin, and who gave US$300 million to kick off the Mujhedin? Uncle Sam.
Dare I say the real solution to terrorism is for the west to stop treating the Middle East like crap.
In the mean time.....
WHAT WE NEED IS MORE FUNDING SO THAT THE AFP CAN GET MORE AGENTS TO LOOK OUT FOR SLEEPER CELLS.
Silly Old Git
Re: No Asic = No Fly !!!! What a joke !
Someone was busted this week in Darwhine for having the wrong ID
http://www.ntnews.news.com.au/printp...847043,00.html
http://www.ntnews.news.com.au/printp...847043,00.html
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do you like the security risk bit on the bottom of the report?.
How does one become a security risk just because you haven't given the theiving government money?.
would a terrorist bother with the fine that has been dished out and then think "oh, I better not steal or blow up and aircraft. I might cop a fine"
What a crock of sh1t.
This government is pathetic and the sheep that are made happy by these inefectual and ill considered rules are just as bad.
How does one become a security risk just because you haven't given the theiving government money?.
would a terrorist bother with the fine that has been dished out and then think "oh, I better not steal or blow up and aircraft. I might cop a fine"
What a crock of sh1t.
This government is pathetic and the sheep that are made happy by these inefectual and ill considered rules are just as bad.
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Casa Long Delays In Security Checking For Avid
In the middle of September, 2005 I applied for am AVID. In spite of many phone calls to Canberra, the only information about the delay in processing is that there is a large backlog in security processing. CASA will mot give me any estimate on when I shall receive the AVID but has stated that, as my application has been registered, I can fly without it until the end of March, 2006.
However, as I have not yet applied for an ASIC (AUD 95.00). I am not allowed to land at regional airports that have RPT operations. I have been awaiting my AVID before applying for the ASIC but, at this rate of processing, it looks like a long wait is in store.
The whole exercise is an overkill in redtape and the processing has been very badly organised. If the security check is the same for an AVID as an ASIC,why is a seperate application necessary?
However, as I have not yet applied for an ASIC (AUD 95.00). I am not allowed to land at regional airports that have RPT operations. I have been awaiting my AVID before applying for the ASIC but, at this rate of processing, it looks like a long wait is in store.
The whole exercise is an overkill in redtape and the processing has been very badly organised. If the security check is the same for an AVID as an ASIC,why is a seperate application necessary?
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A&F, wouldn't you hafta be able to read 'em first? 
I thought it was rather smart how CASA was closed for the last 8 days before the deadline. 2 bad if you had a question about the forms.
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Sailing cos there's less crap afloat than flying
My mate Osama and I were talking about our next operation, we were going to go to Camden, where we wouldn't need an ASIC to get airside, and knock off a 182. Then we'd fly it to a remote property in western NSW, and load it with a fertilizer bomb. From there we were going to fly to Mascot and crash it into a 747 full of SLF at the terminal. It was a great plan, but then we realised the Howard government had us beaten; we'd be fined when our bodies were found on the wrong side of the security screen. DAMN! Back to the drawing board.
Can ANYONE explain how this scenario is prevented by the crap we're being dealt on this non-issue???
Can ANYONE explain how this scenario is prevented by the crap we're being dealt on this non-issue???
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Anyone know if the problem extends to those wanting to renew an ASIC?
Understand all the checks are done again at each renewal - are the delays affecting affecting current holders?
Understand all the checks are done again at each renewal - are the delays affecting affecting current holders?
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Sailing,
You wouldn't be one of those we read about in the paper who get charged for making jokes at the security check about having a bomb would you?
Posts like your last one just add fuel to the fire stoked up by these security zealots. As stupid a threat as I know you were making, the fools running this scare campaign don't have any sense of humour, and I wouldn't put it past them scanning these forums either.
Judging them on past form, they would probably add it to their list of reasons for legitimising the whole farce - you may want to reconsider it's wisdom in that light.
You wouldn't be one of those we read about in the paper who get charged for making jokes at the security check about having a bomb would you?
Posts like your last one just add fuel to the fire stoked up by these security zealots. As stupid a threat as I know you were making, the fools running this scare campaign don't have any sense of humour, and I wouldn't put it past them scanning these forums either.
Judging them on past form, they would probably add it to their list of reasons for legitimising the whole farce - you may want to reconsider it's wisdom in that light.
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Absolute BS!!! fly for years and years with a LEATHERMAN!!! no problems at all , pick up after pick up from the bays at an international airport. but as soon as you need to go gather the passengers for yourself ...... and meet them in the terminal , you have to go through the metal detectors and are not allowed through with your leatherman which is a lethal weapon!!!! No problems........... said ok not going to let me through.... i will use my ASIC card to go back out to the tarmac (next to the 737's and A330's etc ) and take off my leatherman and leave it on the seat , come back inside and go through security (metal detectors and all) to get upstairs to grab my passengers and get on my merry way! What an absolute JOKE! You (or if you r lucky your employer) pays a great deal of money to check your identity / Security and yet you are still subject to BS security checks because thats what the law says!!!
The world is going batty!!! or am i just insane!!!!
The world is going batty!!! or am i just insane!!!!
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I have just found the notes I made in my diary from my last board meeting as a director of a certain aviation representative organisation some 7 months ago, whereupon, just before I resigned, one BH reported that CASA OLC had claimed that the previous credit card licence did not conform to ICAO. The FAA, NZ and many other Country’s felt it did and had no problem with maintaining it.
It appears that OLC made some changes to ICAO (1) then they continued to progress through the ICAO steps in 2005 and are due to become fully effective May 2006 where there should be nothing stopping CASA issuing a combined ASIC with the licence and I believe that was intended. Somehow this ground to a halt when the Minister gave CASA the job of issuing ASIC’s.
What can, and should be done is that after May 2006, the form of an ASIC issued by CASA can also be a licence.
Bob M.
It appears that OLC made some changes to ICAO (1) then they continued to progress through the ICAO steps in 2005 and are due to become fully effective May 2006 where there should be nothing stopping CASA issuing a combined ASIC with the licence and I believe that was intended. Somehow this ground to a halt when the Minister gave CASA the job of issuing ASIC’s.
What can, and should be done is that after May 2006, the form of an ASIC issued by CASA can also be a licence.
Bob M.
