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can anybody tell me the prospects with airnz. am currently flying in europe on an ATR 72 and will be moving to a 752 next year. i am mostly interested in the 777 and the 78 when it comes.
(i was born in nz).
any info would be appreciated.
(i was born in nz).
any info would be appreciated.
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Give it a try but I doubt it.
Generally they prefer some local time so maybe an option would be to attempt to get into the link carriers....ie Mt Cook, Air Nelson, Eagle and then progress into Air NZ. May seem a step backward considering where you are but I think it would be your only realistic chance.
All the best!
Generally they prefer some local time so maybe an option would be to attempt to get into the link carriers....ie Mt Cook, Air Nelson, Eagle and then progress into Air NZ. May seem a step backward considering where you are but I think it would be your only realistic chance.
All the best!
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WKA is wrong.
No NZ experience is required for Air NZ. (Air Nelson does though)
Just the right to live and work in NZ, and be a "fit and proper" (CAA words not mine) to hold a NZ ATPL
I personally know 5 pilots (3 from Aussie and two from EU) in the last 9 months that have been taken on. ICAO ATPL's and never flown in New Zealand
Recruitment has slowed down to a stop at the moment. Intake courses for Dec,Jan and Feb have been cancelled. The next forecast intake is May at this stage, though that is subject to change.
Entry positions are:
B733 F/O
B767 S/O
B744 S/O
Possibly also the 777 S/O though the latest is they will be filled internally for the near future.
Just the right to live and work in NZ, and be a "fit and proper" (CAA words not mine) to hold a NZ ATPL
I personally know 5 pilots (3 from Aussie and two from EU) in the last 9 months that have been taken on. ICAO ATPL's and never flown in New Zealand
Recruitment has slowed down to a stop at the moment. Intake courses for Dec,Jan and Feb have been cancelled. The next forecast intake is May at this stage, though that is subject to change.
Entry positions are:
B733 F/O
B767 S/O
B744 S/O
Possibly also the 777 S/O though the latest is they will be filled internally for the near future.
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Really showing your ignorance there mate. If you look at the large group of pilots taken on by Air NZ in the last 3 years, you will see that they recruit based on merit. The points system basically tries to quantify people's desirable qualities so that comparison is easier and fairer. In saying that, I have no doubt that if one makes a name for themselves as an 'undesirable' for various reasons (and we all know how word gets around), no amount of points will get them interviewed.
I my experience, the people I've seen progress from regionals in the past year or so have all been the cream of the crop.
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As stated by others, you will not be counted out because you aren't flying in NZ at the moment. I would say that you may be slightly disadvantaged, but on the other hand there are very few applicants from NZ who have medium/heavy jet time. Last I heard, most of the entry positions in 2006 would be 777 and 767 S/O, although piontyendforward probably has more up to date info on that.
Really showing your ignorance there mate. If you look at the large group of pilots taken on by Air NZ in the last 3 years, you will see that they recruit based on merit. The points system basically tries to quantify people's desirable qualities so that comparison is easier and fairer. In saying that, I have no doubt that if one makes a name for themselves as an 'undesirable' for various reasons (and we all know how word gets around), no amount of points will get them interviewed.
I my experience, the people I've seen progress from regionals in the past year or so have all been the cream of the crop.
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As stated by others, you will not be counted out because you aren't flying in NZ at the moment. I would say that you may be slightly disadvantaged, but on the other hand there are very few applicants from NZ who have medium/heavy jet time. Last I heard, most of the entry positions in 2006 would be 777 and 767 S/O, although piontyendforward probably has more up to date info on that.
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thanks for all the replys
next question at the time that im planning to apply i will be 26 (now 24) understandably this is no disadvantage in europe but will this disadvantage me in southern hemisphere aviation? granted this is two years time but if the same situation was applicable today would this be a pro con or irrevelent???
ps no room for australians on this thread
next question at the time that im planning to apply i will be 26 (now 24) understandably this is no disadvantage in europe but will this disadvantage me in southern hemisphere aviation? granted this is two years time but if the same situation was applicable today would this be a pro con or irrevelent???
ps no room for australians on this thread
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So quick to call me ignorant?
2 of the 3 items I stated come from the person looking after the point system that I have talked to, C.K.
Can you guess which one is in jest?
The "" I used, is a direct quote *I* was given.
As for knowing someone; obviously this is once the points have been amassed to pass the interview threshold, the right referee is always going to help don't you think - and just as much to weed out the undeseribles as you mention.
Big changes from when being a pilots son with 500hrs got you in, or the days of old when Air NZ gave you a job before having a CPL.
As for jet time etc, regardless, the points still have to reach the right total for interview, some 40 in tally I believe. However 1 point is all that is given for a jet type rating.
To say that the points system is based on people's desirable qualities is only correct in that it is based purely on qualifications and flying hours in the different catagories (P1, multi etc), nothing more. Anything else, even other non flying but aviation related experience, gains no points.
I am not attacking the Air NZ process, stating the facts...
Feel free to correct anything I have stated.
So quick to call me ignorant?
2 of the 3 items I stated come from the person looking after the point system that I have talked to, C.K.
Can you guess which one is in jest?
The "" I used, is a direct quote *I* was given.
As for knowing someone; obviously this is once the points have been amassed to pass the interview threshold, the right referee is always going to help don't you think - and just as much to weed out the undeseribles as you mention.
Big changes from when being a pilots son with 500hrs got you in, or the days of old when Air NZ gave you a job before having a CPL.
As for jet time etc, regardless, the points still have to reach the right total for interview, some 40 in tally I believe. However 1 point is all that is given for a jet type rating.
To say that the points system is based on people's desirable qualities is only correct in that it is based purely on qualifications and flying hours in the different catagories (P1, multi etc), nothing more. Anything else, even other non flying but aviation related experience, gains no points.
I am not attacking the Air NZ process, stating the facts...
Feel free to correct anything I have stated.
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People have recently got into AirNZ over the age of 40. So I guess rather than 26 being "too old" I think you would be doing rather well to get in at that age. It would also mean that if you get in that young, when you are old and crusty you may be near the top of the dung heap!!
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2 of the 3 items I stated come from the person looking after the point system
Now as for the other two, hard yards sounds reasonable, so I guess that leaves a space shuttle landing. Maybe I should start calling NASA.
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mate!!!!!!!whats with the over 40,s stuff...seems to me that most Capts are in the over 40,s bracket....including yours truly,and it is this creme-del-le-creme that is teaching you young hoggets the tricks of the trade .......ease up on CFA.(cast for age).....YOUTH AND SKILL SUCCUMB TO OLD AGE AND TREACHERY
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Having had some of the good oil recently..(a barbeque with a few high-ups, friends of the family.."ooops...the cuzzies for pakeha boy
") I can tell all that knowing people on the inside..including one said chief pilot...plus various fleet managers..flight Ops bosses (Gary you know who you are
) is no more of an advantage to getting an interview than anyone else...once your there perhaps it may be advantageous
") I can tell all that knowing people on the inside..including one said chief pilot...plus various fleet managers..flight Ops bosses (Gary you know who you are ) is no more of an advantage to getting an interview than anyone else...once your there perhaps it may be advantageous
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-Requirements- point on knowing someone conceded, however, bit like saying 2500hrs is required (the actual current threshold) compared to the 500hrs the website says!!!!!!
Sarboy
Sorry, I do not know all the point allocations
haughtney1
I can confirm what you are saying, knowing those very same people myself. However, it does help the application float lighter than air if you have the points.
-Requirements- point on knowing someone conceded, however, bit like saying 2500hrs is required (the actual current threshold) compared to the 500hrs the website says!!!!!!
Sarboy
Sorry, I do not know all the point allocations
haughtney1
I can confirm what you are saying, knowing those very same people myself. However, it does help the application float lighter than air if you have the points.
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Points system
Had a chat with someone about this and it goes along the lines of;
PPL, 500 hours single engine = low/zero points
CPL, 500 multi, ATPL subjects = medium
ATPL, multi turbine, ATO ops = high points
In a nutshell somes good - mores better. 2500 hours is the no $hit min to get in the door (insurance requirement).
PPL, 500 hours single engine = low/zero points
CPL, 500 multi, ATPL subjects = medium
ATPL, multi turbine, ATO ops = high points
In a nutshell somes good - mores better. 2500 hours is the no $hit min to get in the door (insurance requirement).
Just for us not so familiar with the NZ regs, can someone confirm that ATO ops are basically equivalent to Charter/RPT in Australia ?
Looking at the definitions at the start of the NZ regs this seems to be the case but there is mention of remote aerodromes being commercial ops ??
Looking at the definitions at the start of the NZ regs this seems to be the case but there is mention of remote aerodromes being commercial ops ??
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Yip, pretty much anything involving paying pax or freight, ie requiring a CPL and OCA (competency assesment) under the relevant rule, and operated under a specific company's expostion. If you look at the deffinition of a remote AD, you will see there's not many in NZ. For the purpose of your Air NZ application I'm pretty sure they would consider commercial and air transport ops one and the same.