Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay?
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Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay?
Just wondering if anyone knows the current wait for an ASIC? My application went in early November, I already have the photo ID and security check.
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I'm in exactly the same situation Sunfish. I have the photo licence and AVID but no ASIC.
Personally took mine to the local CASA office last week and was told not to expect the ASIC before the 31 Dec. deadline.
I'm pissed of at the stuff up this has become, but not surprised
Personally took mine to the local CASA office last week and was told not to expect the ASIC before the 31 Dec. deadline.
I'm pissed of at the stuff up this has become, but not surprised
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so will you guys be flying after new years day if still waiting for an ASIC?
I won't let their delays stop me from flying into 'secured' aerodromes thats for sure..
What are your thoughts?
I won't let their delays stop me from flying into 'secured' aerodromes thats for sure..
What are your thoughts?
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Legally, I can't fly into secure airports after the 31st so I guess the answer is no.
I don't know if just turning up is really going to cut it. While I was at the CASA office ,I ran into a guy who had been told by a security guard at Maroochy that if he turned up without an ASIC after the 31st , he would not be allowed to leave his aircraft.
As I said,this is a complete stuff up. I don't think anybody at CASA or DOTARS have really thought about the nuts & bolts of this system. By thay I mean the day to day usage of these cards for the average GA/PPL pilot.
What's the point of having your passengers on one side of the fence and you and your aircraft on the other ,with some overuniformed idiot in the middle telling you your pax can't board as they don't have a security pass/boarding pass/visitors pass/ASIC.
Legally, I can't fly into secure airports after the 31st so I guess the answer is no.
I don't know if just turning up is really going to cut it. While I was at the CASA office ,I ran into a guy who had been told by a security guard at Maroochy that if he turned up without an ASIC after the 31st , he would not be allowed to leave his aircraft.
As I said,this is a complete stuff up. I don't think anybody at CASA or DOTARS have really thought about the nuts & bolts of this system. By thay I mean the day to day usage of these cards for the average GA/PPL pilot.
What's the point of having your passengers on one side of the fence and you and your aircraft on the other ,with some overuniformed idiot in the middle telling you your pax can't board as they don't have a security pass/boarding pass/visitors pass/ASIC.
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hey dude65,
yeah it is a shame that we wont be able to fly in legally after 31 Dec 05 without holding an ASIC.
However, I still wont let it change my plans/destinations for a flyaway over the new years break. (I'm still waiting for my AVID/photo licence which I applied for in september).
Re: pax, from what I have heard, so long as you (pilot) hold an asic, you are allowed to escort pax on and off 'secured' aerodromes..
yeah it is a shame that we wont be able to fly in legally after 31 Dec 05 without holding an ASIC.
However, I still wont let it change my plans/destinations for a flyaway over the new years break. (I'm still waiting for my AVID/photo licence which I applied for in september).
Re: pax, from what I have heard, so long as you (pilot) hold an asic, you are allowed to escort pax on and off 'secured' aerodromes..
Just following on from this. I have my application for the photo ID and AVID still in the system. How do I go about getting an ASIC now as I ddon't want to pay the full price and have to do all the background checks AGAIN. Do I wait for the photo ID to arrive or should I just fill out the ASIC form now and get it into the system?
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I'm in the same situation as you chadzat I have applied for my avid and photo licence 4 months ago but havn't yet recieved them, So a rang up the licenceing mob and it turns out I only had to pay the 95 dollars and fill out some of the form.
I hear some flying schools are having dramas with students up to standard but unable to go solo for months because of delays getting the student licence.
I hear some flying schools are having dramas with students up to standard but unable to go solo for months because of delays getting the student licence.
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Chadzat, you can put your ASIC application in while still waiting for the AVID. You only need pay the $95 for the ASIC as the cost of the AVID incorporates the police record/background check for both.
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My AVID and photo ID took 10 weeks. The ASIC is currently in the system. The $95 has yet to be debited to my credit card so it's safe to assume it hasn't been processed yet. (only been a week so I'm not to concerned,yet)
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You don't need to have all the checks done again to get the ASIC. All I gave them was a copy of the AVID and filled out another form. Plus $95.
This leads us to the common question in all of the threads on this topic.
Why bother with the AVID at all?
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You don't need to have all the checks done again to get the ASIC. All I gave them was a copy of the AVID and filled out another form. Plus $95.
This leads us to the common question in all of the threads on this topic.
Why bother with the AVID at all?
When you live....
My application has been in since the start of November.
Took them 3 days to charge my credit card. If I don't have it by 31st December then stiff - they either have to admit that it's their delay or that they've taken money from me that they're not entitled to.
Took them 3 days to charge my credit card. If I don't have it by 31st December then stiff - they either have to admit that it's their delay or that they've taken money from me that they're not entitled to.
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re. Pax, I put the question to the ASIC email query and the response (5 days later) was that Pax would be covered by the pilot's ASIC, BUT they are the pilots responsibility ... whatever that means.
re. flying in without an ASIC, the rumour is that regional airport managers might show common sense where DOTARS clearly has none, and define the secure area so that inbound non-ASIC pilots can still stretch their legs without getting cuffed
. Refuelling might be a different matter though 
The suggestion that the extent of secure areas for all SCA's be published somewhere centrally to save individual pilots having to contact individual airports seemed not to have been considered previously by the ASIC lady - no surprise there
re. flying in without an ASIC, the rumour is that regional airport managers might show common sense where DOTARS clearly has none, and define the secure area so that inbound non-ASIC pilots can still stretch their legs without getting cuffed
. Refuelling might be a different matter though The suggestion that the extent of secure areas for all SCA's be published somewhere centrally to save individual pilots having to contact individual airports seemed not to have been considered previously by the ASIC lady - no surprise there
I heard yesterday, from a VERY reliable source, (the people who will nick you if you dont have your ASIC/AVID) that the deadline was to be moved to 1 July next year. I really hope it is true but there is nothing official yet from CASA or DOTARS. I guess it would make too much sense, or they want to leave it to the last minute to tell us so people don't think its OK to wait a while before sending it in.
Clearly they cant possibly process all these applications before 1 Jan, bearing in mind they will all be off for two weeks holiday at Xmas as well, so there's a week lost before the deadline.
Hope they enjoy their holiday while some of us face losing our means of making a living.
Clearly they cant possibly process all these applications before 1 Jan, bearing in mind they will all be off for two weeks holiday at Xmas as well, so there's a week lost before the deadline.
Hope they enjoy their holiday while some of us face losing our means of making a living.
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I haven't got my ASIC card either. Get this though, I still haven't got my photo licence which I lodged personally with CASA in August.
That stuffs up my yearly flying holiday sojourn to visit family...thanks CASA!!!
That stuffs up my yearly flying holiday sojourn to visit family...thanks CASA!!!
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Don't blame CASA! They pass your documentation onwards to ASIO, AFP etc, thats where the delay is. Furthermore, my experience is that CASA will issue you your documents within a microsecond of getting AFP and ASIO approval.
thanks for that. Yeah I'll just have to head on down to the lovely people at CASA and fill out some more forms then. I fear I have left it a bit late though unless they move the deadline.
The AVID AND ASIC cards seem pretty stupid to CPL'ers but for a PPL who only flits around his/her local CTAF they don't need to pay the $100 for an ASIC.
The AVID AND ASIC cards seem pretty stupid to CPL'ers but for a PPL who only flits around his/her local CTAF they don't need to pay the $100 for an ASIC.
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Sunfish is correct
The criminal checks are done through the AFP- not CASA.(I think that's about to change). Apparenty the checks are sent to the AFP in batches. Once CASA have them back the ID's are issued within a couple of days. I also know that existing licence holders are sent to the bottom of the plie. New licence applications are processed first. This would explain your situation Currawong.
Mind you,if I'd been waiting since May I would be starting to get pretty pissed off.
The criminal checks are done through the AFP- not CASA.(I think that's about to change). Apparenty the checks are sent to the AFP in batches. Once CASA have them back the ID's are issued within a couple of days. I also know that existing licence holders are sent to the bottom of the plie. New licence applications are processed first. This would explain your situation Currawong.
Mind you,if I'd been waiting since May I would be starting to get pretty pissed off.
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dude65,
I have been following AVID progress with weekly phone calls.
The checks, once received, take several weeks to process, some more to generate the ID, and some more in the post. I know this as they have been able to give a running commentary of my application.
Which reminds me, its time for my weekly call.....
Nope. Rings twice then nothing. Nobody home I suppose.
Update is - still being processed. Last week it was processed and approved....
Maybe the rumour of a new deadline has had an effect.....
I have been following AVID progress with weekly phone calls.
The checks, once received, take several weeks to process, some more to generate the ID, and some more in the post. I know this as they have been able to give a running commentary of my application.
Which reminds me, its time for my weekly call.....
Nope. Rings twice then nothing. Nobody home I suppose.
Update is - still being processed. Last week it was processed and approved....
Maybe the rumour of a new deadline has had an effect.....
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Did I read somewhere that as long as you had the application in by DEC 31 you were right? But how the heck will they know if you've submitted it or not?
There is no way CASA or AFP or whoever will be able to issue 30,000 odd ASICs by the end of the year - a physical impossibility.
Let's hope the deadline is extended.
There is no way CASA or AFP or whoever will be able to issue 30,000 odd ASICs by the end of the year - a physical impossibility.
Let's hope the deadline is extended.