Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay?
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The Australian Government Minister for Transport and Regional Services, Warren Truss, today announced that pilots and employees operating at regional airports will be given more time to comply with the Aviation Security Identification Card (ASIC) display requirements.
More information can be found on the CASA website:
http://casa.gov.au/media/2005/DOTARS05-070WT.htm
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More information can be found on the CASA website:
http://casa.gov.au/media/2005/DOTARS05-070WT.htm
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you might need to leave a message. Best wishes
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A three month delay to process an ASIC, puts those applying for one post 1 January 06, in a six month line. What do they do, just stop flying or rely on nobody taking them to task over not having one in the interim.
How does one prove they have already put an application into the system, and how does this Truss media advisor get off previously proclaiming it is all the fault of the pilots for not having their applications in earlier.
How do the airport operators decide if someone has a 3 month period of grace without CASA or some other issueing identity compromising privacy laws?
I guess we just provide the proof in court after we have been arrested. I hope you all got signatures for your registered post.
How does one prove they have already put an application into the system, and how does this Truss media advisor get off previously proclaiming it is all the fault of the pilots for not having their applications in earlier.
How do the airport operators decide if someone has a 3 month period of grace without CASA or some other issueing identity compromising privacy laws?
I guess we just provide the proof in court after we have been arrested. I hope you all got signatures for your registered post.
Chaps,
i got this apology from the Truss office regarding that Offending article.
Flywatcher, thanks. I already have my ASIC, but i will pass this info on to anyone else that asks.
I have, however, had my AVID application since june2005, with no word as yet.
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i got this apology from the Truss office regarding that Offending article.
As discussed the other day on the phone I'm very sorry about the misunderstanding with our media adviser and the ill-informed quotes that made it into the Steve Wardill article a few weeks ago.
I have, however, had my AVID application since june2005, with no word as yet.
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"had my AVID application since june2005"
ahhh crap. I've only had mine in since August, looks like there is NO hope of me getting it by next year.
Will they actually come out with a garuantee that it will NOT be illegal to fly without an AVID and photo licence after Dec 31st?
ahhh crap. I've only had mine in since August, looks like there is NO hope of me getting it by next year.
Will they actually come out with a garuantee that it will NOT be illegal to fly without an AVID and photo licence after Dec 31st?
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Does anyone know what is supposed to happen to those of us who have achieved a PPL/CPL since the new laws came in. I mean we can't fly as a student but we can't use PPL/CPL until the new one is sent to us. As we don't have an old one the 31st
March deadline can't really apply either????
March deadline can't really apply either????
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[QUOTE]“Only those people who have submitted an ASIC application form to the appropriate issuing body by 31 December 2005 will be eligible for the extension,” he said.
So how the hell are we going to prove this? I don't recall getting a receipt when I submitted the ASIC application.
So how the hell are we going to prove this? I don't recall getting a receipt when I submitted the ASIC application.
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Why registered post?
Found out yesterday I have registered mail to pick up...could it be my AVID???
Went to the post office to get it to be told that the contractors who deliver the mail are under no obligation to deliver a registered letter if it means going past your letterbox down a driveway to your door. IT wasn't at the Post Office, as the contractor was still merrily driving around with it in his car. No chance of getting it forwarded, or delivered to the office (contractors deliver at the airport as well), or getting time off for the hour long round trip to the post office before xmas. So can't apply for an ASIC before the deadline because I don't know if I hold an AVID or not.
CLARC phone was engaged all day, and all other CASA numbers went to an answering machine. Maybe they were having thier xams party.
Went to the post office to get it to be told that the contractors who deliver the mail are under no obligation to deliver a registered letter if it means going past your letterbox down a driveway to your door. IT wasn't at the Post Office, as the contractor was still merrily driving around with it in his car. No chance of getting it forwarded, or delivered to the office (contractors deliver at the airport as well), or getting time off for the hour long round trip to the post office before xmas. So can't apply for an ASIC before the deadline because I don't know if I hold an AVID or not.
CLARC phone was engaged all day, and all other CASA numbers went to an answering machine. Maybe they were having thier xams party.
So can't apply for an ASIC before the deadline because I don't know if I hold an AVID or not.
Simple!
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CLARC phone was engaged all day, and all other CASA numbers went to an answering machine. Maybe they were having thier xams party
I thought the same, so I rang the 1300 number. Spoke to CASA who, in a few magical clicks on a keyboard, told me I did actually have an AVID now, so all I had to do is apply for an ASIC, ticking the 'I have an AVID' box.
In the case of say Merimbula, which has services in and out all day, there is no 4 hour period where the operator can "close" ASIC. So, in effect, if I want to land there and get out of my aircraft for any reason at any time I will need an ASIC. Plain and simple.
Now here's the twist - if I hold an current ASIC which is valid for 2 years, I will not need an AVID or a photo ID licence.
What I do not understand is why I was not given this fascinating snippet of information by the nice blonde plump lady I spoke with at the CASA office before I applied for, and received, my photo licence and AVID 3 months ago.
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I'm not sure they even knew about this 3 months ago?
Anyway, CASA at Bankstown told me yesterday that everyone who applies by 31st December will be sent a covering letter, which should cover you until the ASIC arrives.
Anyway, CASA at Bankstown told me yesterday that everyone who applies by 31st December will be sent a covering letter, which should cover you until the ASIC arrives.
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I'd heard a rumour that there were 30000 applications in the system.
Lets see now, amnesty expires end of March so that's roughly 70 working days which means issuing more than 400 checked ASICs per day.
Yeah.., right.
Lets see now, amnesty expires end of March so that's roughly 70 working days which means issuing more than 400 checked ASICs per day.
Yeah.., right.
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Had a phone call from CASA today. My application is being "processed" and has yet to be sent to AFP, ASIO etc. My cheque has been lost so they wanted credit card details.
I applied for an ASIC on about 4 November and the paperwork has yet to leave CASA! I heard the 30,000 applications number too.
Something is screwy here.
I applied for an ASIC on about 4 November and the paperwork has yet to leave CASA! I heard the 30,000 applications number too.
Something is screwy here.
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Applied for AVID in July, got it 15th of Dec. Thought everything was sweet but now gotta get an effing ASIC and effing pay for it!!
I don't get it, what has an effing ASIC got over an effing AVID?. Not only that but I've got security clearences thru my work to secret level!!
I'm the most effing secure person in the country, I should have effing applied to be James Bond!
I don't get it, what has an effing ASIC got over an effing AVID?. Not only that but I've got security clearences thru my work to secret level!!
I'm the most effing secure person in the country, I should have effing applied to be James Bond!
I'll get me coat......
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Rang CASA yesterday regarding my ASIC, the nice lady on the phone informed me that my ASIC application is 'being processed'. When I asked if she had any idea on the current wait time she simply said 'no' but said I would be receiving a letter shortly explaining that there would be an extension to the deadline.
I actually have a current ASIC that was issued 6 weeks ago after a four month wait, I moved to the Gold Coast four weeks ago and had to return my ASIC to the issuing airport (Ayers Rock). I put in a new application straight away and would have thought that considering I have already done all of the security checks it would be a simple case of issuing a new ASIC. Fraid not!!
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I actually have a current ASIC that was issued 6 weeks ago after a four month wait, I moved to the Gold Coast four weeks ago and had to return my ASIC to the issuing airport (Ayers Rock). I put in a new application straight away and would have thought that considering I have already done all of the security checks it would be a simple case of issuing a new ASIC. Fraid not!!
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I cant believe it. I applied in early November for my asic and today i recieved a letter registered mail. After picking up the torn 1/2 open envlope that An Australia post guy had put in a plastic bag to stop some id thingey "his words" falling out at the Post office I see a shiny new ASIC It's red and has my name on it all details even seem correct right down to the $2 hologram.
Makes me want to fly in to a security controled airport just to prance around with it.
Makes me want to fly in to a security controled airport just to prance around with it.
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Re: Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay?
Santa didn't bring me my ASIC. 
He also didn't bring me a your application is in the system letter, so I guess he knew that I was going to be a naughty boy and go flying to a security-restricted airport and walk in the airside security zone.
sigh....
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well well...
15 minutes after I wrote the above, I received a written reply to my acerbic letter to Minister Truss regarding his press release http://casa.gov.au/media/2005/DOTARS05-070WT.htm
Paraphrased a lot, here are some nuggets of information or old news. (take your pick)
1.
People who require frequent access to the secure areas need an ASIC., The definition of frequent is
but if you need such access more than 6 time per year then you'll probably need an ASIC.
How the *#&%& are they going to implement that procedure ?, stamp your licence like they do to fire-extinguisher tags ?
2.
Security checks for photo licence and AVID and ASIC might change, but expect something like a mandatory photo-licence and then one of ASIC or AVID. (wierd !)
3.
Security-controlled airports with RPT and no screened air services can now change their security program so that ASICs are only required two hours either side of a scheduled RPT service.
freaking hell. Are they going to print all the RPT schedules for every airport in the ERSA ? or include it on the NAIPS location briefings ?
If you don't have an ASIC and you land somewhere when/where one is required, then an ASIC holder has to escort you through the secure areas and the airport operator has to issue you a visitor ID card.
What is a 'secure area' really ?. From what I can find on the Dotars website the runway and taxiways and parking areas are in the 'secure area' where an ASIC is required.
I still think it's all a confused mess, but please write letters people.. It tells the bureaucrats and pollies that their viewpoints need more explaining and justification.
He also didn't bring me a your application is in the system letter, so I guess he knew that I was going to be a naughty boy and go flying to a security-restricted airport and walk in the airside security zone.
sigh....
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well well...
15 minutes after I wrote the above, I received a written reply to my acerbic letter to Minister Truss regarding his press release http://casa.gov.au/media/2005/DOTARS05-070WT.htm
Paraphrased a lot, here are some nuggets of information or old news. (take your pick)
1.
People who require frequent access to the secure areas need an ASIC., The definition of frequent is
subject to interpretation
How the *#&%& are they going to implement that procedure ?, stamp your licence like they do to fire-extinguisher tags ?
2.
Security checks for photo licence and AVID and ASIC might change, but expect something like a mandatory photo-licence and then one of ASIC or AVID. (wierd !)
3.
Security-controlled airports with RPT and no screened air services can now change their security program so that ASICs are only required two hours either side of a scheduled RPT service.
freaking hell. Are they going to print all the RPT schedules for every airport in the ERSA ? or include it on the NAIPS location briefings ?
If you don't have an ASIC and you land somewhere when/where one is required, then an ASIC holder has to escort you through the secure areas and the airport operator has to issue you a visitor ID card.
What is a 'secure area' really ?. From what I can find on the Dotars website the runway and taxiways and parking areas are in the 'secure area' where an ASIC is required.
I still think it's all a confused mess, but please write letters people.. It tells the bureaucrats and pollies that their viewpoints need more explaining and justification.
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Re: Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay?
From DOTARS today and highlighted, (until I can figure out how to post the letter and emails).
"PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT YOU ONLY NEED AN ASIC IF YOU WILL BE ENTERING SECURITY-REGULATED AREAS OF AN AIRPORT"
Also from DOTARS;
"## You must have an ASIC and display if you are IN THE SECURITY RESTRICTED AREAS OF THESE AIRPORTS" (which goes on to include Norfolk Island, Ballina, Bankstown, Coffs Harbour, Newcastle, Rockhampton, Avalon, Melbourne, Sydney, etc etc."
Moorabbin and Essendon airports have a GA and RPT area-ASIC's must be displayed in the RPT area-outside this area. ASIC's are not required.
From CASA, dated 28th December);
"CASA has made arrangements with Qantas to utilise its network of representatives to distribute ASIC's issued by CASA".
It is inconceiveable to imagine any ASIC issueing body including AOPA were not aware of this. Especially given some now saved and PDF'd copy of same organisations members propaganda web site telling all that they intend to support (nay possibly take charge), of the C182 owners association impetus, while still selling ASIC's.
"PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT YOU ONLY NEED AN ASIC IF YOU WILL BE ENTERING SECURITY-REGULATED AREAS OF AN AIRPORT"
Also from DOTARS;
"## You must have an ASIC and display if you are IN THE SECURITY RESTRICTED AREAS OF THESE AIRPORTS" (which goes on to include Norfolk Island, Ballina, Bankstown, Coffs Harbour, Newcastle, Rockhampton, Avalon, Melbourne, Sydney, etc etc."
Moorabbin and Essendon airports have a GA and RPT area-ASIC's must be displayed in the RPT area-outside this area. ASIC's are not required.
From CASA, dated 28th December);
"CASA has made arrangements with Qantas to utilise its network of representatives to distribute ASIC's issued by CASA".
It is inconceiveable to imagine any ASIC issueing body including AOPA were not aware of this. Especially given some now saved and PDF'd copy of same organisations members propaganda web site telling all that they intend to support (nay possibly take charge), of the C182 owners association impetus, while still selling ASIC's.