Anyone Know Current ASIC Delay?
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I was one of the mugs who decided to get this done early this year, to find that my FCID (?) is now obsolete. Meanwhile my AVID application has been in since September and I'm told that my police checks are being done now.
Meanwhile, as I wait and wait, I can still use my CASA delegation to do ID and document verification for student pilots and other applicants!
How silly is that.
Called DOTARS to see if I would have to close for business if it doesn't come through by 1 Jan and the nice man said "no, as long as your application is in you'll be OK".
Kind of got the impression there may be some kind of official announcement soon. Also that it will be much quicker when CASA actually get an ASIC machine!
Meanwhile, as I wait and wait, I can still use my CASA delegation to do ID and document verification for student pilots and other applicants!
How silly is that.
Called DOTARS to see if I would have to close for business if it doesn't come through by 1 Jan and the nice man said "no, as long as your application is in you'll be OK".
Kind of got the impression there may be some kind of official announcement soon. Also that it will be much quicker when CASA actually get an ASIC machine!
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I have heard the deadline will be extended only to the people who have their applications in before DEC 31 (DEC 23 in CASA - Xmas break) If you have your documents in the system you can carry on as normal until July 1 until your AVID/ASIC arrives.
If you do not have it in the system prior Dec 31 you basically are grounded.
Heard this from a reasonably reliable source, has anyone else heard it?
It makes more sense than grounding GA for the next 6 months!!
If you do not have it in the system prior Dec 31 you basically are grounded.
Heard this from a reasonably reliable source, has anyone else heard it?
It makes more sense than grounding GA for the next 6 months!!
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CASA Media Release - Friday, 4 November 2005
Pilots told to act now on security checks
Australia's pilots are being urged to move quickly to comply with new aviation security background check requirements.
All pilots must have a valid aviation security background check before December 31 this year – or face being refused entry to many airports.
Any pilot who does not have a valid security check and wants to access security controlled aerodromes must apply now for an Aviation Identification Security Card (ASIC).
After 31 December this year pilots will need an ASIC to access the secure areas of every security controlled aerodrome in Australia.
There are 185 security controlled airports across the nation in capital cities and regional centres.
Pilots who require a background security check can find out what they need to do on-line at: www.casa.gov.au/securitycheck
Alternatively, they should ring: 1300 737 032
The CASA Licensing and Registration Centre will provide advice and forms for pilots to start the security check process immediately. A letter is also being sent to all pilots with full details.
In addition, pilots can apply for an ASIC at security controlled aerodromes.
A small number of pilots who never fly into security controlled aerodromes will not need an ASIC but they must still apply for a background security check.
These pilots will be issued with an Aviation Identification Card (AVID), subject to successful security checking.
There are still many of thousands of pilots who have not begun the security check process and these people must act now or risk having their flying severely limited after 31 December.
Remember for all information on pilot security checks ring:
1300 737 032
Media contact:
Peter Gibson
mobile 0419 296 446
Ref: MR0553
All pilots must have a valid aviation security background check before December 31 this year – or face being refused entry to many airports.
Mr Byron,
Its time for an action item to develop a plan for when you plan to have the checks completed...........
Pilots told to act now on security checks
Australia's pilots are being urged to move quickly to comply with new aviation security background check requirements.
All pilots must have a valid aviation security background check before December 31 this year – or face being refused entry to many airports.
Any pilot who does not have a valid security check and wants to access security controlled aerodromes must apply now for an Aviation Identification Security Card (ASIC).
After 31 December this year pilots will need an ASIC to access the secure areas of every security controlled aerodrome in Australia.
There are 185 security controlled airports across the nation in capital cities and regional centres.
Pilots who require a background security check can find out what they need to do on-line at: www.casa.gov.au/securitycheck
Alternatively, they should ring: 1300 737 032
The CASA Licensing and Registration Centre will provide advice and forms for pilots to start the security check process immediately. A letter is also being sent to all pilots with full details.
In addition, pilots can apply for an ASIC at security controlled aerodromes.
A small number of pilots who never fly into security controlled aerodromes will not need an ASIC but they must still apply for a background security check.
These pilots will be issued with an Aviation Identification Card (AVID), subject to successful security checking.
There are still many of thousands of pilots who have not begun the security check process and these people must act now or risk having their flying severely limited after 31 December.
Remember for all information on pilot security checks ring:
1300 737 032
Media contact:
Peter Gibson
mobile 0419 296 446
Ref: MR0553
All pilots must have a valid aviation security background check before December 31 this year – or face being refused entry to many airports.
Mr Byron,
Its time for an action item to develop a plan for when you plan to have the checks completed...........
They haven't exactly filled me with confidence.
About 2 months ago, having received nothing from CASA telling me officially that I'd need to do something, I thought I would get proactive after reading all this talk on PPrune about what may or may not be needed.
Got on their website, downloaded the forms, got the photos, birth certificates, JP etc organised and sent it off....job done, I thought, website said no cost. Good.
But no - about a week later, an information pack finally arrives - pretty much the same forms, but some extra explanatory notes, and a $95 fee suddenly required.
I rang the CASA number, put through to the appropriate office, and yes, the forms had to be resubmitted. Arrgh! However, the photos and signatures didn't need to be re-done - at least that was something.
Now waiting....seems some people have known about this for a lot longer than me, but I had nothing official on it until the procedure was well under way - where was the systematic approach to informing everyone about the requirements?
They've had my address and been sending me other things for a long time, no change with this issue I would have thought.
About 2 months ago, having received nothing from CASA telling me officially that I'd need to do something, I thought I would get proactive after reading all this talk on PPrune about what may or may not be needed.
Got on their website, downloaded the forms, got the photos, birth certificates, JP etc organised and sent it off....job done, I thought, website said no cost. Good.
But no - about a week later, an information pack finally arrives - pretty much the same forms, but some extra explanatory notes, and a $95 fee suddenly required.
I rang the CASA number, put through to the appropriate office, and yes, the forms had to be resubmitted. Arrgh! However, the photos and signatures didn't need to be re-done - at least that was something.
Now waiting....seems some people have known about this for a lot longer than me, but I had nothing official on it until the procedure was well under way - where was the systematic approach to informing everyone about the requirements?
They've had my address and been sending me other things for a long time, no change with this issue I would have thought.
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Not Robinson Crusoe there mate! A couple of mentions in the crash comic, which last I heard was not mandatory reading.
Finally a package of bureaucratise in the mail right on the deadline, and its all our fault we don't comply.
The chinese whispers campaign notwithstanding.
Finally a package of bureaucratise in the mail right on the deadline, and its all our fault we don't comply.
The chinese whispers campaign notwithstanding.
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This;
was the cheeky bit.
Like we're the slack ones.
There are still many of thousands of pilots who have not begun the security check process and these people must act now or risk having their flying severely limited after 31 December.
Like we're the slack ones.
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Its all pretty bad. Surely, they have no option but to extend the deadline at this stage????
A mate of mine who has a CASA licence is coming out from UK to do some flying in January. (Or thinks he is!) His ASIC application went in as soon as CASA made their announcement and he's been getting pretty worried. Mostly his emails are ignored but he did eventually get a reply to say they cannot find his application in what thet referred to as ' the pile'. (Just cannot imagine what the 'the pile' must look like - probably more like a mountain!). Now he has started again - but this time has got a receipt!) I am similar to those above, with a photo licence but no sign of an ASIC (Has anyone who has applied to CASA actually got one? (My bet is the answer to that is 'no'.) Just what is going on CASA? Isn't it about time the silence on this was broken?
A mate of mine who has a CASA licence is coming out from UK to do some flying in January. (Or thinks he is!) His ASIC application went in as soon as CASA made their announcement and he's been getting pretty worried. Mostly his emails are ignored but he did eventually get a reply to say they cannot find his application in what thet referred to as ' the pile'. (Just cannot imagine what the 'the pile' must look like - probably more like a mountain!). Now he has started again - but this time has got a receipt!) I am similar to those above, with a photo licence but no sign of an ASIC (Has anyone who has applied to CASA actually got one? (My bet is the answer to that is 'no'.) Just what is going on CASA? Isn't it about time the silence on this was broken?
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As i've said before, it's not about CASA, its about ASIO and the AFP. CASA will be waiting for them. CASA also appears to have a good document management system, they were able to tell me where my application was when I applied for a photo licence.
My guess is that if you have put your application in by the deadline, that may be sufficient for CASA and DOTARS to give temporary dispensation.
Of course that depends on how many people are actually "Failing" the checks. I wonder if the process is turning up many "Rogues"???????
My guess is that if you have put your application in by the deadline, that may be sufficient for CASA and DOTARS to give temporary dispensation.
Of course that depends on how many people are actually "Failing" the checks. I wonder if the process is turning up many "Rogues"???????
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a security guard at Maroochy that if he turned up without an ASIC after the 31st , he would not be allowed to leave his aircraft.
Actually that comment would probably land you a gaol sentence
The should have made it that the security check is done only when you attempt to gain an endorsement for a certain size aircraft or larger.
Let's be honest, what is a C152 going to do other than chip some paint on a building.
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Did you pay by credit card?
In light of all the personal details you've had to furnish on the application form - date of birth, address, passport/driver's licence, photos, and signature, etc - I hope that those of you who paid by credit card are confident that those details can't be looked at by anyone other than 1 or 2 accountable people, nor that they can be accessed at a later date.
Cash, or cheque was my preferred and ONLY way I was going to trust those incompetents.
In light of all the personal details you've had to furnish on the application form - date of birth, address, passport/driver's licence, photos, and signature, etc - I hope that those of you who paid by credit card are confident that those details can't be looked at by anyone other than 1 or 2 accountable people, nor that they can be accessed at a later date.
Cash, or cheque was my preferred and ONLY way I was going to trust those incompetents.
People,
Don’t blame CASA for this one, the delays are not of their making. All that has happened is that they have been deluged with applications as a result of a role forced on them.
There are literally dozens of ASIC card issuers, seems to me that because of problems not anything to do with CASA ( many of us know of some “interesting” “policies” being imposed by individual issuers) “somebody” decided very late in the day to tell CASA that they, CASA, were going to be added to the ranks of ASIC issuers, RFN.
CASA rightly cops a lot of flack for a lot of things, but it seems to me that in this case, they have got their act together un-characteristically quickly. That the sheer volume of ASICs required by the deadline is a logistics nightmare is not a nightmare of CASA’s making.
If you want to point fingers and throw stones, this time you should look elsewhere.
The DOTARS info. service can point you to other sources for an ASIC, as professional pilots you all did all you could, knowing a long time ago the 31/12 deadline because you all keep up with the regulations, including ANRs, (not just CARs etc) didn’t you !!
At the risk of advertising, “AO can’t be mentioned here” and Aviation ID Australia at Merimbula can be used, and both also have been doing a good job minimizing the problems for flying visitors to Australia.
By May 06, or thereabouts, expect to have a combined ASIC/License option, (yep!, you will be able to file the 6” by 4” folder under “pommie innovations”) , this was announced by CASA last May.
Tootle pip !!
Don’t blame CASA for this one, the delays are not of their making. All that has happened is that they have been deluged with applications as a result of a role forced on them.
There are literally dozens of ASIC card issuers, seems to me that because of problems not anything to do with CASA ( many of us know of some “interesting” “policies” being imposed by individual issuers) “somebody” decided very late in the day to tell CASA that they, CASA, were going to be added to the ranks of ASIC issuers, RFN.
CASA rightly cops a lot of flack for a lot of things, but it seems to me that in this case, they have got their act together un-characteristically quickly. That the sheer volume of ASICs required by the deadline is a logistics nightmare is not a nightmare of CASA’s making.
If you want to point fingers and throw stones, this time you should look elsewhere.
The DOTARS info. service can point you to other sources for an ASIC, as professional pilots you all did all you could, knowing a long time ago the 31/12 deadline because you all keep up with the regulations, including ANRs, (not just CARs etc) didn’t you !!
At the risk of advertising, “AO can’t be mentioned here” and Aviation ID Australia at Merimbula can be used, and both also have been doing a good job minimizing the problems for flying visitors to Australia.
By May 06, or thereabouts, expect to have a combined ASIC/License option, (yep!, you will be able to file the 6” by 4” folder under “pommie innovations”) , this was announced by CASA last May.
Tootle pip !!
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If you apply to CASA - and they take your money (even if they do not keep it all) then surely the least they can do is tell you what is going on!
Or maybe even just tell their staff what is going on - cus nobody at the CASA office knows nuffin at the moment!
Or maybe even just tell their staff what is going on - cus nobody at the CASA office knows nuffin at the moment!
I went to the local CASA offices and spoke with someone very helpful (who would have thought!) whom I asked "what are my chances of getting my ASIC back before NYE?" He said "well make sure you hang onto your receipt of payment and its now out of your hands. CASA will have to worry about it if it doesn't get back to you by the deadline". This to me sounds like they will either entend the deadline or just say "use your payment docket as a temporrary ASIC!".
I want to know how the hell they make a deadline for application AND issue on the same day bearing in mind Christmas closures. The CASA bloke said to me that if I had left my application any later I would be leftwith a very slim chane of getting it back by January.
You woulda thought they could work out approximately how many pilots will require an ASIC, multiply that b the amount of time required to process ONE. Then give us enough notice to get the damn things in.
I want to know how the hell they make a deadline for application AND issue on the same day bearing in mind Christmas closures. The CASA bloke said to me that if I had left my application any later I would be leftwith a very slim chane of getting it back by January.
You woulda thought they could work out approximately how many pilots will require an ASIC, multiply that b the amount of time required to process ONE. Then give us enough notice to get the damn things in.
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I don't blame CASA at all.
I blame the former Minister for Transport for creating rules that require airports like Dubbo and Bathurst to have the same sort of security as Kingsford Smith, then creating an unworkable system that requires part time pilots to carry a separate id card for every airport they fly into, without any guidance as to how to go about it.
I also blame the new Minister for Transport for taking one look at the sorry mess and making a quick flick pass out to CASA at the 11th hour, to implement the system they clearly aren't resourced for, so that when the whole thing collapses he can say;
<Krusty the Klown>Don't blame me. I didn't do it!</Krusty the Klown>
Meanwhile, after having all the time, energy, effort and expense of passing my licence test, I have now been waiting 6 weeks plus for a piece of paper which used to be issued on the same day.
I blame the former Minister for Transport for creating rules that require airports like Dubbo and Bathurst to have the same sort of security as Kingsford Smith, then creating an unworkable system that requires part time pilots to carry a separate id card for every airport they fly into, without any guidance as to how to go about it.
I also blame the new Minister for Transport for taking one look at the sorry mess and making a quick flick pass out to CASA at the 11th hour, to implement the system they clearly aren't resourced for, so that when the whole thing collapses he can say;
<Krusty the Klown>Don't blame me. I didn't do it!</Krusty the Klown>
Meanwhile, after having all the time, energy, effort and expense of passing my licence test, I have now been waiting 6 weeks plus for a piece of paper which used to be issued on the same day.