A320 V B737
Whats with the surging noise that comes from the bus just before engine start and during gear retraction?
Is it just the hydraulic pumps or what?
It's VERY noisy and generally gets everyones attention around the wheel wells.
Is it just the hydraulic pumps or what?
It's VERY noisy and generally gets everyones attention around the wheel wells.
As far as passenger appeal goes, the A320 leaves the B737 for dead
I had the misfortune to travel on a J* A320 the other day and I was extremely unimpressed as to the interior.
As people walked past me, I could literally feel the floor flexing up an down quite a bit, making my seat rock a bit from side-to-side.
Then on landing with the application of reverse thrust I honestly thought the overhead lockers were going to fall off, as they were vibrating so badly and flapping around it really did look like they were about to come loose.
Never again will I set foot in one ...
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At Last Someone who knows
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Having seen your posts before you sound like someone who knows something about flying the heavy metal.
I am glad you also noticed the floor flexing and the severe vibration with reverse thrust.
If I had mentioned that it would have been a case of uneducated back seat driver syndrome again.
You can also add this to my list of complaints. As for those wondering yes it was a shabby ride and may have been pilot induced in part but i think I have a pretty good picture.
Avoid the bloody things!!
They must be cheap...anybody know how they compare to the Boeing? no BS here tell the truth...
J
Having seen your posts before you sound like someone who knows something about flying the heavy metal.
I am glad you also noticed the floor flexing and the severe vibration with reverse thrust.
If I had mentioned that it would have been a case of uneducated back seat driver syndrome again.
You can also add this to my list of complaints. As for those wondering yes it was a shabby ride and may have been pilot induced in part but i think I have a pretty good picture.
Avoid the bloody things!!
They must be cheap...anybody know how they compare to the Boeing? no BS here tell the truth...
J
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To answer your question........ Assume none!!!
This is not relevant. If I had no flying experience it would have been just purely observation of the actual flight performance V previous experience and making a sound judgement for the weather at the time.
I reality my flying experience as a PAX....not as much as some and quite a lot more than most.
As a pilot......PPL read my profile..... however that has little to do with the topic, except that given the conditions and the experiences on other types, it seemed a far less stable platform on which flying could be conducted. Or the crew was green. If you were the crew on Sunday night, do not take offence, just tell the truth, no witch hunt here. Just interested in the comment, constructive comment on why as a PAX it seemed on two occassions less like a sound a/c. Tthis does not translate to dodgey and dangerous a/c, just less of a comfortable stable and predictable one than the B7 series.
What is your point???? I am telling you how it was...No BS. Just wanted to see what non BS opinions were out there. Seems many agree with my observations. If you were in fact A320 crew or even on that flight I would welcome your comment, but please do not try to shoot me down just on my PPL status, that had nothing to do with it. I was a PAX and possibly just one of a few that compared the ride to the prevailing conditions and noticed an anomoly compared to similar a/c.
I was not trying to compare a C172 to a B777 in a storm for example.
relax mate!
J
To answer your question........ Assume none!!!
This is not relevant. If I had no flying experience it would have been just purely observation of the actual flight performance V previous experience and making a sound judgement for the weather at the time.
I reality my flying experience as a PAX....not as much as some and quite a lot more than most.
As a pilot......PPL read my profile..... however that has little to do with the topic, except that given the conditions and the experiences on other types, it seemed a far less stable platform on which flying could be conducted. Or the crew was green. If you were the crew on Sunday night, do not take offence, just tell the truth, no witch hunt here. Just interested in the comment, constructive comment on why as a PAX it seemed on two occassions less like a sound a/c. Tthis does not translate to dodgey and dangerous a/c, just less of a comfortable stable and predictable one than the B7 series.
What is your point???? I am telling you how it was...No BS. Just wanted to see what non BS opinions were out there. Seems many agree with my observations. If you were in fact A320 crew or even on that flight I would welcome your comment, but please do not try to shoot me down just on my PPL status, that had nothing to do with it. I was a PAX and possibly just one of a few that compared the ride to the prevailing conditions and noticed an anomoly compared to similar a/c.
I was not trying to compare a C172 to a B777 in a storm for example.
relax mate!
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By all means avoid the bloody things.
However, methinks that next time the price is right you will be back on one. Otherwise you truly will be a man/woman of your convictions.
By all means avoid the bloody things.
However, methinks that next time the price is right you will be back on one. Otherwise you truly will be a man/woman of your convictions.
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The price?
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For an aviation related username that is possibly the best I have seen so far!
Was booked at 4a.m. due wx spoiling my plans to fly myself. Price, not really but the times and certainly not having to pay a full economy or business class tempted me. Don't get me wrong they were not dangerous, in fact quite OK, but they do not feel as good as the B7XX types.
I even considered going ex YBCG on Australian, but couldn't!
If I could have burned up some of the thousands of QF FF points accumulated I would have, but you can never get a seat unless you book 12 months ahead, and recently had a lot of trouble doing that too!!!
Cheers J
For an aviation related username that is possibly the best I have seen so far!
Was booked at 4a.m. due wx spoiling my plans to fly myself. Price, not really but the times and certainly not having to pay a full economy or business class tempted me. Don't get me wrong they were not dangerous, in fact quite OK, but they do not feel as good as the B7XX types.
I even considered going ex YBCG on Australian, but couldn't!
If I could have burned up some of the thousands of QF FF points accumulated I would have, but you can never get a seat unless you book 12 months ahead, and recently had a lot of trouble doing that too!!!
Cheers J
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One has only had to have sat down the back of an all high density economy configured B707-320 series or DC8-63 (250 pax) without dividers in the monsoon or heavy turbulence to fully understand the term "aeroelastic". Concentrated the mind wonderfully.
The DC8 might have been the less so.
Dunno 'bout the Airbus, never sat down the back.
The 330 seems a pretty solid ship.
The DC8 might have been the less so.
Dunno 'bout the Airbus, never sat down the back.
The 330 seems a pretty solid ship.
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I agree with "18 Wheeler" 100%
When I first moved to Brisbane to fly for a company based near here, they sometimes had me fly as pax down to Sydney to operate out of there.
In those days, Ansett was still up and running, and was by far the preferred airline to travel with. Each and every time I flew to SYD, I flew AN.
My problem was, they operated A320s, so I had to time my flights to either travel by B737 or B767, whichever, both were (are) much more preferrable to the scarebus.
I am a professional aviator, and know quite a bit about the design concept and operating systems of the scarebus types, and I WILL NOT travel in any airbus unless absolutely there is no alternative, and then I'm not a good passenger, I hate it!
Unfortunately, QF are buying some of those A380s, which may force me to travel BNE to LAX via new Zealand or Japan, or, and I never thought I'd say this, via Air Pacific (at least they operate B747).
Cheers
When I first moved to Brisbane to fly for a company based near here, they sometimes had me fly as pax down to Sydney to operate out of there.
In those days, Ansett was still up and running, and was by far the preferred airline to travel with. Each and every time I flew to SYD, I flew AN.
My problem was, they operated A320s, so I had to time my flights to either travel by B737 or B767, whichever, both were (are) much more preferrable to the scarebus.
I am a professional aviator, and know quite a bit about the design concept and operating systems of the scarebus types, and I WILL NOT travel in any airbus unless absolutely there is no alternative, and then I'm not a good passenger, I hate it!
Unfortunately, QF are buying some of those A380s, which may force me to travel BNE to LAX via new Zealand or Japan, or, and I never thought I'd say this, via Air Pacific (at least they operate B747).
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Yes, we've all heard the cliches "If it ain't Boeing," "Scarebus," etc. Everyone's entitled to sing the praises of their favourite chariot - or criticize as the case may be.
Speaking as pax, I have no preference for either. I've heard a continuous annoying rumble when sitting 4 rows behind the overwing exit on the 737NG, and I've experienced the aforementioned rattles and shakes when paxing on the Bus.
At the end of the day, Boeing and Airbus both design machines to do a job, and it seems to me they do the job quite well. I feel safe in either, and I'm also quite satisfied that the very stringent requirements of FAA/JAA certification (not to mention nearly 20 years of proven operation) ensure that any such concerns would be unfounded.
However, I'm guessing that a good number of the wannabe's who love to tear shreds off the Airbus product, would do a backflip without a moment's hesitation if offered the opportunity to fill one of the seats up front. Considering some of the clapped out bugsmashers I've logged time in over the years, I'd be very happy with anything that burns Jet-A1 and gets me up in the flight levels!
Speaking as pax, I have no preference for either. I've heard a continuous annoying rumble when sitting 4 rows behind the overwing exit on the 737NG, and I've experienced the aforementioned rattles and shakes when paxing on the Bus.
At the end of the day, Boeing and Airbus both design machines to do a job, and it seems to me they do the job quite well. I feel safe in either, and I'm also quite satisfied that the very stringent requirements of FAA/JAA certification (not to mention nearly 20 years of proven operation) ensure that any such concerns would be unfounded.
However, I'm guessing that a good number of the wannabe's who love to tear shreds off the Airbus product, would do a backflip without a moment's hesitation if offered the opportunity to fill one of the seats up front. Considering some of the clapped out bugsmashers I've logged time in over the years, I'd be very happy with anything that burns Jet-A1 and gets me up in the flight levels!
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A320 vs 737 vs 717
Forget about the other two rubbish aircraft, surely the 717 is the ducks nuts.
I would be interested in the feelings of the Jetstar crews wrt prefering to fly the a320 or the 717.
I would be interested in the feelings of the Jetstar crews wrt prefering to fly the a320 or the 717.
