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Old 28th Oct 2005, 08:42
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Multi Job

Gday,

I'm wondering if anybody knows of a company that may be looking for a twin driver so I can try and get that elusive 500 multi PIC !

I've got 1200 hrs + MECIR, dangerous goods, first aid etc.

Will relocate anywhere, but won't work for nothing


I'm doing the resume/phone thing, but if someone has some inside info it would be much appreciated!

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Old 28th Oct 2005, 09:22
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1st job all over again...

You may find you're faced with the same deal as getting your first job up north, in that you have to go there to get it, unless you have a contact who will give you a job over the phone.

Within WA, give Tropicair Carnarvon a go, especially if you have an instructor rating, Paul Lyons @ JT if you have a B58 endorsement, Oasis Air in HLC if you can handle flying a C210 and P68 initially and eventually a PA31, Broome Air Services, Polar Aviation in 'Hedland, that's about it in WA for initial twin time.

KFS and AusWest both in Karratha with some remote bases want multi command time anyway, so it can't hurt to pay them a visit but I wouldn't put my money on them just yet.

You might find that WA is very limited as far as twin time goes, so your willingness to move anywhere will certainly be handy. The NT might prove to be an option for you, but research it well before set off.

Good luck.


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Old 28th Oct 2005, 10:12
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Hi ther O and G,

Can you please email your contact details to [email protected] and I may be able to help you out.

Thanks

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Old 30th Oct 2005, 05:48
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Thanks guys
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Over and gout

Can you PM me your details as one of the drivers where I'm at is leaving.

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Over the ditch

Hey guys,

Just wanted to ask the same thing about these hard to find multi jobs.

Similar situation, 1100tt, MEIR, had tried Cairns for a while with no luck. Now am in NZ and still no luck after travelling the country.

Does anyone have any suggestions of where to try or who to ask???

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Old 2nd Nov 2005, 19:47
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In NZ 1100 is too many to get a job multi piston but not enough to get one multi turbine..welcome to the twilight zone with me
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Could any one help !!!!

Hello Gys,

Not to take over Over and Gout's initial request, However in a similar situation with 1215 TT, 300 ME, 225 ME PIC, 50 night, Valid CIR and been struggling to find a suitable job.

If someone could help me get a break, it would be greatly appreciated.

Ta
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Get a LAME ticket, and you can take your pick. You would get aLAME/pilot job in Alice Springs the first week.
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Helo Bushy,

valid suggestion, although I have not got a lame ticket, I hae from time to time worked worked under supervision for a mx company on 100 hrly's and other adhoc mx

Still without any progress ..may be having the actual LAME licence would be different
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sorry if this may sound like a stupid and/or personal question but why did you guys leave your twin jobs?
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Well, let's see...

I would suggest that most people leave their twin jobs for the same reason one might leave a single job: to progress in one's career path!

To move up and on to new heights, new/more complex equipment, a better pay offer or just another step closer to pursuing the ultimate goal.

I wouldn't imagine that you would leave a lob in aviation for any other reason, unless you were getting out altogether.


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Old 4th Nov 2005, 17:40
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Well!

This is interesting, I thought this problem was just me!
With 1600hrs, no multi engine operator wants to employ me either! This is nuts!
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Old 5th Nov 2005, 00:29
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Most multi operators want experienced pilots who believe in what they are doing, and intend to stay. Too many think it is beneath teir dignity, and they only intend to stay long enough to get some hours.
Some of the less admirable operators keep employing newbies, and pay little.
This is bad for the pilots and the industry.
There are good operators out there, but they do not operate with a stream of newbies.
Look at the RFDS thread. Most of them are flying singles.
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Bushy....in an ideal world mayby your points are valid. I challenge you to find 10% of guys flying light piston twins right now who dont want to move onto bigger better things EVENTUALLY.

As for reputable operators, most reputable companies realise a light twin job IS a stepping stone, nothing more nothing less, and for most people its a neccessary experience builder. Unless you have no ambition in your career..orrr you operate in circumstances where its convenient to stay put...flying a light twin is not a longterm option..even if you believe in it! that is of course unless you live in Australia..where you need 5000hrs.....3 moon landings and 3 de-orbit burns in the last 90 days..to get a job on a Kingair...(taken from another thread)
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Here Here haughtney1, for far too long we have had to put up with bushy's rantings and ravings about GA, which he views through his rose tinted glasses.

Until Bushy faces the fact that for 90% of pilots, GA will now and forever be a stepping stone to the majors we will continue to have to listen to his diatribes on how GA should be.

Bushy until GA can offer the same benefits of working for an airline there will always be a continual movement onto bigger and better things. A good operator should know this and plan for it. To not would be simply putting ones head in the sand.

And your advice to mebro isn't exactly helping him now is it? Getting your LAME ticket isn't something that one can do in a week. It takes years of being an apprentice and countless exams to become a fully qualified LAME. Instead of trying to force your ideals on the rest of GA, how about you help people who are just starting out and offer some of the advice that you learnt through your many years of operating as a PILOT not as an operator.

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Ok Bushy might get a little over the top with regard GA. But he has some very valid points. It is an attitude and work ethic that many a time is missing in GA drivers these days. Conditions might and regularly do "suck" and yes it is just a stepping stone for the majority. That should not matter,(the stepping stone part that is). People watch you and operate with or around you in the industry. Word gets around.

You want to move from singles to twins. Walk the miles, (even if they do req moon landings, at present thats what they want and if we can't change it YET then either do moon landing or go OS). Show your boss and the lookers in the industry that you are professional and worthy of a twin ride, (all be it in a clapped out baron or somesuch).

I in no way endorse the present conditions or attitudes from too many employers but realise that to change the whole industry is a huge mark to set. I choose to break the task into smaller chunks and work from there. I try to do this by getting on with the job and doing as best I can.

Do you best always, network and get your name known for the right reasons in the industry and one thing a (then) Ansett captain told me is as soon as you get a single drivers job, apply for a twin here there and everywhere. Once you get the twin job, apply for the next. Set your challenge and work like buggery to get there.

I'm going to move very carefully from the keyboard now and go to the beer fridge where my medicine is. Please excuse me
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Old 5th Nov 2005, 06:36
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Well said maxgrad.

Bankstown is a case in point, where 95% of the Instructors my good friend has asked quotes from (and I have met), need a good hit around the ears.

They have lost their respective companies his big dollars (and many others I would guess) from a smart ass and extremely poor customer service attitude.

This translates into the air and especially heard over the radio.

Concentrate on polishing up your current job first because as was said previously: many people are watching!

The jobs will come to you if your reputation and attitude are good.
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Old 5th Nov 2005, 10:24
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Remember,

Those with the BEST attitudes, work ethics, morals and respect for their employer will leave their twin jobs too, as has been outlined above.

After all, if you work for a decent operator, posessing the traits above will lead to you leaving voluntarily.

I forgot to mention in my previous post that some people leave their jobs due to being asked to leave, or such. Reasons for this are fairly obvious of course.

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Old 5th Nov 2005, 10:34
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Superbly put Maxgrad, it was just what I was thinking..only it was late, had a few beers in me, my dog ate my homework etc...
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