Warrior with door off?
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Warrior with door off?
Is there a Warrior avalible in Melbourne with door off approval?
Secondly;
A guy that I know has approached me because he wants to do some aerial photography work. Say flying school 'x' has a warrior with door off approval, will they let me operate under their AOC and be happy that I'm hiring their A/C, or will they only let one of their own pilots fly?
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Secondly;
A guy that I know has approached me because he wants to do some aerial photography work. Say flying school 'x' has a warrior with door off approval, will they let me operate under their AOC and be happy that I'm hiring their A/C, or will they only let one of their own pilots fly?
Cheers
HS
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I've got door off approvals for the Warriors and the Archer but am not in Melbourne, sorry. They came as a flight manual supplement with the aircraft, but if you want to add it now you have to fork out for an engineering order.
Whosever AOC you use would have to have aerial photography on their AOC and be willing to employ you to fly it for these ops. Bear in mind a lot of these photographers think they are immune from the low flying rules. Payment in advance from them is a MUST as is a minimum daily rate.
Been there, done that - PM me for details if you like.
Whosever AOC you use would have to have aerial photography on their AOC and be willing to employ you to fly it for these ops. Bear in mind a lot of these photographers think they are immune from the low flying rules. Payment in advance from them is a MUST as is a minimum daily rate.
Been there, done that - PM me for details if you like.
I seem to recall seeing a door off approval in the POH of at least one of RVAC's Warriors. I'n not sure if they would want to fly it for you or not.
Question: Why not do it from a C172? Window open in flight is legal.
Question: Why not do it from a C172? Window open in flight is legal.
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Why would u use a piper warrior
Seriously,
Why would u take aerial photos from a piper warrior? low wing aeroplane? so what u gonna bank over 90 degrees to take photos of the ground? If you think that the wing strut on a 172 gets in the way how about a whole wing of a piper?
Why would u take aerial photos from a piper warrior? low wing aeroplane? so what u gonna bank over 90 degrees to take photos of the ground? If you think that the wing strut on a 172 gets in the way how about a whole wing of a piper?
Have you ever tried? It works if the photographer knows what they're doing.
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Because my friends the photography involved is taking photos of homesteads.
In a low wing you can bank the A/C over and take multiple shots in 1 orbit. In a high wing we found to try and get the shots we need we had to make 4 passes, with each pass being 90 degrees to the previous pass.
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In a low wing you can bank the A/C over and take multiple shots in 1 orbit. In a high wing we found to try and get the shots we need we had to make 4 passes, with each pass being 90 degrees to the previous pass.
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Word of advice:
DON'T DO IT WITHOUT THE DOOR-OFF KIT!!!
"A person I know"
has tried this before, for exactly the same mission, and "my friend" would tell you that the increase in drag is rather surprising 
DON'T DO IT WITHOUT THE DOOR-OFF KIT!!!
"A person I know"
has tried this before, for exactly the same mission, and "my friend" would tell you that the increase in drag is rather surprising
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Ive got 400 hours of aerial photography in a Warrior/Archer with the door off. You dont need anywhere near 90 degrees AoB if your doing it properly. 45-60 degrees is fine for the job when your 500 feet above the deck.
When you bank in a Cessna the wing drops and gets in the way. In a Warrior, it drops out of the way. Makes sense when you think about it.
When you bank in a Cessna the wing drops and gets in the way. In a Warrior, it drops out of the way. Makes sense when you think about it.
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You may have mis-understood takeonme. I was talking about the tracking required when shooting the object.
BTW
Where did you hire the mentioned A/C you used?
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BTW
Where did you hire the mentioned A/C you used?
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Originally Posted by brucekabuce
Seriously,
Why would u take aerial photos from a piper warrior? low wing aeroplane? so what u gonna bank over 90 degrees to take photos of the ground? If you think that the wing strut on a 172 gets in the way how about a whole wing of a piper?
Why would u take aerial photos from a piper warrior? low wing aeroplane? so what u gonna bank over 90 degrees to take photos of the ground? If you think that the wing strut on a 172 gets in the way how about a whole wing of a piper?
Done it heaps of times many years ago in a Warrior 2.
Get the photographer to sit in the left seat and stick his/her lens out the storm window, and you fly from the right seat.
It gives about a 90° field of view which is usually more than enough.
Just takes a little fiddling to get the angles right, and maybe the odd touch of rudder.
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Originally Posted by takeonme
When you bank in a Cessna the wing drops and gets in the way. In a Warrior, it drops out of the way. Makes sense when you think about it.
. I certainly wasn't in a steep turn at the time. It isn't as crystal clear as it might be because we were only taking it to prove to the CFI that we had actually found the strip which he claimed he had never been able to find 
The wing and strut certainly aren't in the way and there are four other similar photos. The only editing which has been done is size reduction to fit the width of this forum.
Edited to add that it was a right hand turn at a bit over 30 degs AoB
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In most situations, a PA28 is far superior to at C172 for photography. There are changes in handling characteristics, such as buffet from the airflow past the open door hitting the tailplane, but I never had any problem with the increase in drag (no special kit used). You will only have 2 POB so the weight saving more than outweighs any increase in drag.
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Goodness me man!!! What are you thinking?? A warrior?? 
Toughen up and use a Senecca II! REAR Door off approval already in the FM, and there is no wing/strut/landing gear/anything in the way. No noticable loss of performance, the photographer can lie down, and best of all, you are a little bit away from the breeze. You don't have to fly around with ANY AoB, so the point that Lando made about bank angle limits (Which is correct! ) is removed from the equation. Plus they can dawdle along at height at a surprisingly low speed for a six seat twin. I used to meat bomb with them, and I rate them highly! But it might cost more than your warrior!! aahhhh, I haven't vented a random opinion in ages!! Now wasn't that fun?! 
Toughen up and use a Senecca II! REAR Door off approval already in the FM, and there is no wing/strut/landing gear/anything in the way. No noticable loss of performance, the photographer can lie down, and best of all, you are a little bit away from the breeze. You don't have to fly around with ANY AoB, so the point that Lando made about bank angle limits (Which is correct! ) is removed from the equation. Plus they can dawdle along at height at a surprisingly low speed for a six seat twin. I used to meat bomb with them, and I rate them highly! But it might cost more than your warrior!! aahhhh, I haven't vented a random opinion in ages!! Now wasn't that fun?!
Well, for me, in a C172, the darn runway always disappears when I turn base and final, so ...
I have also found myself having to do more orbits in a C172 than in a PA28 when wanting to take pictures.
BTW, the door isn't on the MEL, so not required ... no I'm being rather silly here...
Just my 10p...
I have also found myself having to do more orbits in a C172 than in a PA28 when wanting to take pictures.
BTW, the door isn't on the MEL, so not required ... no I'm being rather silly here...
Just my 10p...
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Gday 18-Wheeler
Most photographers I’ve flown have lenses that wouldn’t fit through the storm window, maybe there’s something about the size of a photographers lens compared to the size of pilots watches.
Use both Cessna and Piper for aerial photography much prefer the low wing except in cold weather.
Cheers Q
Most photographers I’ve flown have lenses that wouldn’t fit through the storm window, maybe there’s something about the size of a photographers lens compared to the size of pilots watches.
Use both Cessna and Piper for aerial photography much prefer the low wing except in cold weather.
Cheers Q