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Hi, I sent my application in mid October for the photo licence and aviation security status check, with the understanding that it was free of charge. Today i received a CASA application form for the same check stating that it now costs $145 for the same check (AVID). I am going to have to re-apply and pay?. Anyone else in the same boat?.
Regards Trav737-400
Regards Trav737-400
Applied early February, recieved licence mid October.
If they send you something asking for money after your original application, throw that straight in the bin. They cant retrospectively charge for something that was free when you entered into your contract with them.... but that doesnt mean they wont try, because some people will pay.
If they send you something asking for money after your original application, throw that straight in the bin. They cant retrospectively charge for something that was free when you entered into your contract with them.... but that doesnt mean they wont try, because some people will pay.
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rang CASA yesterday askin them what the cut off was for free licences she said 1st nov, then she said if i hold an ASIC there was no need for a photo licence, what the
F*** the photo licence off, i say
F*** the photo licence off, i say
I sent my application for photo licence in around september on form showing NO FEES> I spoke to them today and since I have already sent mine in, NO FEES are due, and I do not have to re send forms. I asked them to re check this with someone else and they got the same answer,so If you have already sent in forms then no fees payable for 2 years and no redoing forms for 2 years.
I have a flight crew license with my photo on it.
I have an Aviation Identity card, AVID, also with my photo on it, and it's waterproof.
Both of these took several months to acquire, after the appropriate info was supplied, including a police clearance.
CASA has just informed me that I now require an
AVIATION SECURITY IDENTIFICATION CARD ASIC
and they are sending an info pack to 35000 other pilots.
There is no security check required for the ASIC, because they checked when they gave me the AVID.
The fee for the ASIC is $95, but would have been $145 if the security check had been required.
It is an offence to not display the ASIC whilst in a SECURE AREA.
A person may be fined up to $550 every time they fail to display a valid ASIC.
We have to have an ASIC by 31 Dec 2005.
I have an Aviation Identity card, AVID, also with my photo on it, and it's waterproof.
Both of these took several months to acquire, after the appropriate info was supplied, including a police clearance.
CASA has just informed me that I now require an
AVIATION SECURITY IDENTIFICATION CARD ASIC
and they are sending an info pack to 35000 other pilots.
There is no security check required for the ASIC, because they checked when they gave me the AVID.
The fee for the ASIC is $95, but would have been $145 if the security check had been required.
It is an offence to not display the ASIC whilst in a SECURE AREA.
A person may be fined up to $550 every time they fail to display a valid ASIC.
We have to have an ASIC by 31 Dec 2005.
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Is it just me, or is the new form totally ambiguous, with no clear direction of what is required? Especially for people with professional licences and an ASIC!!
I still had the old form 639 and sent that off!! I sent it registered mail, so I have proof that they received it. I can just see it now "sorry Mr hughes we seem to have lost your details, you won't be able to fly on New Years Day!" "Oh good, well then I'll just have to have a big sleep in instead".....
I pity those people who have grey/standby days on 1st January 2006.
Cheers, HH.
I still had the old form 639 and sent that off!! I sent it registered mail, so I have proof that they received it. I can just see it now "sorry Mr hughes we seem to have lost your details, you won't be able to fly on New Years Day!" "Oh good, well then I'll just have to have a big sleep in instead".....
I pity those people who have grey/standby days on 1st January 2006.
Cheers, HH.
Kev_laline, Asic card is
only required for those who go into airports listed as Secuurity Controlled Airports with RPT, such as Albury or Bathurst. If you fly into say Bankstown or Wollongong you do not need an Asic only Photo and Avid. The whole thing is bull#hit and just an other waste of our time and money to feather their nests. All this constant change has destoyed GA in Australia, what a WANK
only required for those who go into airports listed as Secuurity Controlled Airports with RPT, such as Albury or Bathurst. If you fly into say Bankstown or Wollongong you do not need an Asic only Photo and Avid. The whole thing is bull#hit and just an other waste of our time and money to feather their nests. All this constant change has destoyed GA in Australia, what a WANK
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Spoke to a lady at CASA Flight crew Licenceing section today, she said ......
Photo Licences are NOT compulsory.
All you need to have if accessing a security controlled airport is an ASIC.
It is the ASIC which is required after 31 December not a photographic licence.
The fees she said were for the issuing of the ASIC and the background checks required, no fees for a photo licence.
Hope this helps, as that package CASA sent out f#$%@*& confused me!
JetRacer
Photo Licences are NOT compulsory.
All you need to have if accessing a security controlled airport is an ASIC.
It is the ASIC which is required after 31 December not a photographic licence.
The fees she said were for the issuing of the ASIC and the background checks required, no fees for a photo licence.
Hope this helps, as that package CASA sent out f#$%@*& confused me!
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Guys
Facts help, not opinions.
You can find out if your airport is security controlled here:
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/av...operators.aspx
Bankstown does NOT require an ASIC.
More info on
www.aopa.com.au
Facts help, not opinions.
You can find out if your airport is security controlled here:
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transsec/av...operators.aspx
Bankstown does NOT require an ASIC.
More info on
www.aopa.com.au
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Just checked Bankstown - it is security controlled. Therefore you need an ASIC.
Are people still having problems getting through to CASA on the telephone?
I mean 1300 737 032, not the wrong number they sent out. Is ther any explanation of how they will get through thousands of ASIC applcations between now and Christmas?
Are people still having problems getting through to CASA on the telephone?
I mean 1300 737 032, not the wrong number they sent out. Is ther any explanation of how they will get through thousands of ASIC applcations between now and Christmas?
CASA sent me an ASIC Q & A sheet
It lists 39 NSW airports including Norfolk & Lord Howe, which are Security Controlled Airports with RPT ops.
It also lists
Bankstown
Belmont
Glen Innes
as Security Controlled without RPT ops
"CASA is an issuing body for the purpose of issuing ASICs to pilots"
so you can probably get an ASIC at Bankstown
It lists 39 NSW airports including Norfolk & Lord Howe, which are Security Controlled Airports with RPT ops.
It also lists
Bankstown
Belmont
Glen Innes
as Security Controlled without RPT ops
"CASA is an issuing body for the purpose of issuing ASICs to pilots"
so you can probably get an ASIC at Bankstown
When you live....
Jetracer
Jetracer
Please don't believe a word you were told by CASA - either you or they have it the wrong way around.
By 1 January - you MUST have an AVID. The process for applying for this means that you will also be issued with a Photo ID - so I guess she was technically correct but only very technically. If you had a photo id from before March 05 then you won't have an AVID.
By 1 January - you MUST have and DISPLAY an ASIC if you are airside at a SECURITY CONTROLLED AERODROME.
The AVID process includes a police check but not an immigration status check. The issuing of a AVID will also include giving you a photo license.
If you then decide you need an ASIC, you then need both a police check and an immigration check. However, CASA are offering an exemption from the police check if you have an AVID completed after March 2005. It is in this scenario only that you get the $95 ASIC (because apparently it costs this much to print a plastic card and check that you're a legal resident).
Therefore, if you haven't done anything else yet - you must decide if you want an AVID or an ASIC and apply for one pronto.
HTH.
Impulse coupled - before lecturing on facts - make sure you read your reference material before presenting inaccuracies as facts! Every airport on the DOTARS page need an ASIC - the yes/no column tells you if the airport operator can/will issue one.
Please don't believe a word you were told by CASA - either you or they have it the wrong way around.
By 1 January - you MUST have an AVID. The process for applying for this means that you will also be issued with a Photo ID - so I guess she was technically correct but only very technically. If you had a photo id from before March 05 then you won't have an AVID.
By 1 January - you MUST have and DISPLAY an ASIC if you are airside at a SECURITY CONTROLLED AERODROME.
The AVID process includes a police check but not an immigration status check. The issuing of a AVID will also include giving you a photo license.
If you then decide you need an ASIC, you then need both a police check and an immigration check. However, CASA are offering an exemption from the police check if you have an AVID completed after March 2005. It is in this scenario only that you get the $95 ASIC (because apparently it costs this much to print a plastic card and check that you're a legal resident).
Therefore, if you haven't done anything else yet - you must decide if you want an AVID or an ASIC and apply for one pronto.
HTH.
Impulse coupled - before lecturing on facts - make sure you read your reference material before presenting inaccuracies as facts! Every airport on the DOTARS page need an ASIC - the yes/no column tells you if the airport operator can/will issue one.
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What you say is right but please note you dont' have to have BOTH an ASIC and an AVID.
Chose which one you need. If you ever visit a security controlled aerodrome you must have an ASIC by Dec 31. If you NEVER visit a security controlled aerodrome an AVID will sufice.
Either way everyone is supposed to be secutity checked by Dec 31. What I find hard to believe is that CASA, the AFP and ASIO can actually do this in the time available.
What you say is right but please note you dont' have to have BOTH an ASIC and an AVID.
Chose which one you need. If you ever visit a security controlled aerodrome you must have an ASIC by Dec 31. If you NEVER visit a security controlled aerodrome an AVID will sufice.
Either way everyone is supposed to be secutity checked by Dec 31. What I find hard to believe is that CASA, the AFP and ASIO can actually do this in the time available.
You only need an Asic if you " access a secure area of a security controlled airport that has RPT operations" BK does not and Wol is not shown on their sheet, which they sent us, however this means you can fly into say Bathurst which is on the list, with out an Asic,as long as you do not go in areas as outlined in the sheet sent to us under the heading of "What is a secure area of a security controled airport" What A F WANK. What is the definition of the Movement Area.?
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