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Photo licences
Was flicking through the "Flight Safety Australia" magazine which appeared in my letter box this afternoon, when i noticed on page 65, and I quote
" Pilots who want to fly after December 31, 2005, you need to apply soon for your photo ID.
All flight crew and special pilot licenc holders will be required to carry new photo identification licences when flying after December 31, 2005
Photo licences have been introduced to provide a more secure means of identifying Australian Flight crew, in line with the licensing requirements of other transport sectors .... "
I have a few questions for those "in charge".
1/ I have never ever had my licence checked in any security capacity, so how does this measure make me more secure?
2/ I have an ASIC card, therfore I have passed ALL security checks, AND I have to pass through security at major airports prior to boarding my flight, yet my licence is not checked here, and for the record, neither is my ASIC card. How does a photo licence make me more secure ?
3/Why is it that these "KNEE JERK" reactions by the Federal government that end up costing ME more money, and time, are a response to an event that happened 4 years ago, yet these same politicians continue to say that "Terrorism will not change the Australian way of life" ?
4/ Why is it that my shoes are of such interest to these "security professionals" at Syd Apt, yet the ferals may walk through with dog chains attached to their jeans/around their necks, studded belts and 20kg of hand luggage?
5/ why is it that a friend of mine was asked to remove his cap when going through security, but turban wearers and women who wear veils are exempt from this requirement ?
I will stop this vitriole now, however am interested to hear how the government can charge me to replace a licence which THEY issued, which is "PERPETUALLY VALID" ? (I believe that this point was raised by someone before on a different, but similar thread)
" Pilots who want to fly after December 31, 2005, you need to apply soon for your photo ID.
All flight crew and special pilot licenc holders will be required to carry new photo identification licences when flying after December 31, 2005
Photo licences have been introduced to provide a more secure means of identifying Australian Flight crew, in line with the licensing requirements of other transport sectors .... "
I have a few questions for those "in charge".
1/ I have never ever had my licence checked in any security capacity, so how does this measure make me more secure?
2/ I have an ASIC card, therfore I have passed ALL security checks, AND I have to pass through security at major airports prior to boarding my flight, yet my licence is not checked here, and for the record, neither is my ASIC card. How does a photo licence make me more secure ?
3/Why is it that these "KNEE JERK" reactions by the Federal government that end up costing ME more money, and time, are a response to an event that happened 4 years ago, yet these same politicians continue to say that "Terrorism will not change the Australian way of life" ?
4/ Why is it that my shoes are of such interest to these "security professionals" at Syd Apt, yet the ferals may walk through with dog chains attached to their jeans/around their necks, studded belts and 20kg of hand luggage?
5/ why is it that a friend of mine was asked to remove his cap when going through security, but turban wearers and women who wear veils are exempt from this requirement ?
I will stop this vitriole now, however am interested to hear how the government can charge me to replace a licence which THEY issued, which is "PERPETUALLY VALID" ? (I believe that this point was raised by someone before on a different, but similar thread)
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ID BS
Simple answer, Left Hand has never met the Right Hand, so no hope of either knowing what is goin on....
Even if you were a terrorist with a ultralight, you would get your photo licence before telling anyone about your evil intentions down the track. Its a WOFTAM and we all have to live with it!
J430
Even if you were a terrorist with a ultralight, you would get your photo licence before telling anyone about your evil intentions down the track. Its a WOFTAM and we all have to live with it!
J430
Still waiting for mine. It's been about 5 months. I gave them a call and they told me that student pilots and ATPL are to get there's first. But the nice man at CASA did confirm that mine was still sitting on his desk and hadn't been lost. What was the point in having a recent photo when by the time I get it back it would be old? 
BTW: I think this topic has been done, and lots of people got realy angry about it.
BTW: I think this topic has been done, and lots of people got realy angry about it.
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Lots of people are still angry.
I've been waiting for mine since Feb now. When Dec 31 arrives and there's no licence I will be investigating sueing CASA for restriction of trade if I am not allowed to fly.
I wonder if they care?
I've been waiting for mine since Feb now. When Dec 31 arrives and there's no licence I will be investigating sueing CASA for restriction of trade if I am not allowed to fly.
I wonder if they care?
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I've had mine for about 6 weeks now. It took about 2 months. Its a pretty low class photo ID. Looks like it has been made by some school kid on there home computer. The CASA deligate that did mine even forgot to stamp the new licence. I had to ring them to ensure this was legit.
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Nine weeks, four phone calls and two emails. Then they issued a student licence - ok, except I was waiting for a PPL at the time.
At least they don't charge for the privilege! (yet)
At least they don't charge for the privilege! (yet)
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I have just spent the whole day working on this very subject.
Before I start, this applies to airports only with an RPT service. My company employees about 9 nine pilots, we work off our own private strips, however we need to go to an airport with an RPT service for maintenance.
After many calls today to Canberra CASA office (Photo ID department were swamped with calls all day) and our district CASA official and the local flying instructor, this is basically what info I have obtained...............
1) There is about a 2 month waiting list currently (according to CASA, 6 months is you ask others)
2) If you are caught at an airport with an RPT service and no photo ID, you will be in BIG trouble, what kind of big trouble yet, no one knows.
3) There will random checks in airports across the country, especially in small country airports where they think no one will check!
4) Pilots will be made 'an example of' when caught without their photo ID
5) This is the first step to obtaining the ASIC card, which no one knows which department will be administrating yet!
6) Most importantly, apply now as no charges have been issued for the application process, they will get around to doing this eventually, however at the moment, it is technically 'free'.
Most importantly, what I discovered today was that no one seemed to know what was REALLY going on. There was a lot of 'I'm not sure about that yet" or "I can't answer that yet".
I really wanted to know who what & how this will be policed and what the penalties will be if you don't have the ID. No one knew.
Sounds like CASA have got a real mess on their hands.
Cheers,
PTSP!
Before I start, this applies to airports only with an RPT service. My company employees about 9 nine pilots, we work off our own private strips, however we need to go to an airport with an RPT service for maintenance.
After many calls today to Canberra CASA office (Photo ID department were swamped with calls all day) and our district CASA official and the local flying instructor, this is basically what info I have obtained...............
1) There is about a 2 month waiting list currently (according to CASA, 6 months is you ask others)
2) If you are caught at an airport with an RPT service and no photo ID, you will be in BIG trouble, what kind of big trouble yet, no one knows.
3) There will random checks in airports across the country, especially in small country airports where they think no one will check!
4) Pilots will be made 'an example of' when caught without their photo ID
5) This is the first step to obtaining the ASIC card, which no one knows which department will be administrating yet!
6) Most importantly, apply now as no charges have been issued for the application process, they will get around to doing this eventually, however at the moment, it is technically 'free'.
Most importantly, what I discovered today was that no one seemed to know what was REALLY going on. There was a lot of 'I'm not sure about that yet" or "I can't answer that yet".
I really wanted to know who what & how this will be policed and what the penalties will be if you don't have the ID. No one knew.
Sounds like CASA have got a real mess on their hands.
Cheers,
PTSP!
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What About Your PAX?
I have my photo licence now. Took 8 weeks.
But what about my passengers who accompany me into a ATPL or regional airport? Will they be able to accompany me off the airfield after our privatre flight?
But what about my passengers who accompany me into a ATPL or regional airport? Will they be able to accompany me off the airfield after our privatre flight?
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There is about a 2 month waiting list currently
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Because the 'Photo ID' dept. at CASA are over run by phone calls and it is impossible to get through.................... can anyone answer me the following?
If you are 'busted' at an airport in January 2006 without you photo ID, but your application is still in CASA and has been there for 6 months, what happens?
Why is this process taking so long?
Anyone 'in the know' care to respond?
Cheers,
PTSP
If you are 'busted' at an airport in January 2006 without you photo ID, but your application is still in CASA and has been there for 6 months, what happens?
Why is this process taking so long?
Anyone 'in the know' care to respond?
Cheers,
PTSP
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@ chief wiggum
The list of stupid and useless measuers is endless:
Last week here in Austria the newspaper bashed the security company at Vienns's Airport (VIE / LOWW) because police officers in plain clothing were able to smuggle a PLASTI gun ans a can of pepper spray (not sure what the proper translation is - the spray carried to spray it in the eyes of attackers), also contained in a plastic bottle.
How the hell should security find that with sending EVERYONE through x-ray or checking your body openings?
Or di I have to mention the milion forms and interviews produced over the decades before entering the US? In 2001 (bevore 9/11) I was asked if I want to change the society in the US - a thing every honest terrorist would surely admit.
About four weeks ago, a colleague of mine entered the US from Canada and was asked if he is a member of the SS - the lady is not even 30 yet
Regards, Bernhard
The list of stupid and useless measuers is endless:
Last week here in Austria the newspaper bashed the security company at Vienns's Airport (VIE / LOWW) because police officers in plain clothing were able to smuggle a PLASTI gun ans a can of pepper spray (not sure what the proper translation is - the spray carried to spray it in the eyes of attackers), also contained in a plastic bottle.
How the hell should security find that with sending EVERYONE through x-ray or checking your body openings?
Or di I have to mention the milion forms and interviews produced over the decades before entering the US? In 2001 (bevore 9/11) I was asked if I want to change the society in the US - a thing every honest terrorist would surely admit.
About four weeks ago, a colleague of mine entered the US from Canada and was asked if he is a member of the SS - the lady is not even 30 yet
Regards, Bernhard
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so is it assumed that on 01 jan 06 will not be a good time to fly, as a LOT of aircraft will be grounded as a good percentage of their flight crew wont have valid photo licences yet ??
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Ultralights - depends how you look at it. It might be a good time to fly as there MAY not be many a/c about as most pilots probably WONT have their licences back and mAY not fly.
On the other side of the coin, if people DO fly after 31dec05 without a new photo licence, it will be really really really unsafe! Dotars says this will be the case, so it MUST be true!
On a side note. I had to go through security today, and witnesseda bloke have to take his baseball cap off. I was REALLY tempted to go and buy a tea towel or turban, and test whether I would also have to remove my headpiece!
Question : are we to be charged for these "secure licences? "
On the other side of the coin, if people DO fly after 31dec05 without a new photo licence, it will be really really really unsafe! Dotars says this will be the case, so it MUST be true!
On a side note. I had to go through security today, and witnesseda bloke have to take his baseball cap off. I was REALLY tempted to go and buy a tea towel or turban, and test whether I would also have to remove my headpiece!
Question : are we to be charged for these "secure licences? "
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I got mine within about 3 weeks - Could not speak more highly of the polite young lady at CASA BK who helped me with the form. - Maybe its ASIO causing the bottleneck. Just imagine what a PITA it would be to do all those security checks - and how much job satisfaction there would be if you actuallyf ound someone who failed the check. I wonder how many they have found who dont qualify. My guess would be a big fat zero!
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I put my application in for my upgraded CPL in April. I rang CASA 2 weeks ago asking where it was. She said I could expect it towards the end of the year!
Everything is a knee jerk reaction. If the terrorists really wanted to blow something up they would find a new way succeed. We are only guarding against what they have already tried.
Personally the throttle lock is a sham!
Bin Laden would be past a set of boltcutters by now! That is if he got past my photo licence first!
Everything is a knee jerk reaction. If the terrorists really wanted to blow something up they would find a new way succeed. We are only guarding against what they have already tried.
Personally the throttle lock is a sham!
Bin Laden would be past a set of boltcutters by now! That is if he got past my photo licence first!