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Know I'm too late for you Tucker but I understand Eagle are gonna do another round next month (November) having new requirements too to better reflect the calibre of people needed to be able to Command a 1900D in as little as a year.
They are:
Day 1
Introduction etc talk yourself up in front of everyone
Group Session
Peer Group review on Group session
Spot quiz's on similarities between the B1900D and A380's
Hold hands in a Group
Day 2
8 sector 6 and a half hour handling session in a replica Atlantis space shuttle simulator including docking with space station.
Day 3
Individual interviews Ops Manager, Fleet manager, Line Manager, CEO, Training Manager, all existing Capt's and F/O's, the Catering lady and a guy who lives beside the airport at NZHN who thinks the 1900D is "Curvy."
Day 4
Panel interview
Day 5
Psych testing with experts and Dr Phil via Video link (may run into the evening due to time zone difference)
Day 6
Second Atlantis sim ride to confirm you didn't fluke the first one.
Day 7 ......................you get the picture...............
Day 25
Morning-B747 questionaire followed by
Lunch served on board a 1900D restaurant mock up.
If successful may be offered a voluntary ground course which you have to pay for!
They are:
Day 1
Introduction etc talk yourself up in front of everyone
Group Session
Peer Group review on Group session
Spot quiz's on similarities between the B1900D and A380's
Hold hands in a Group
Day 2
8 sector 6 and a half hour handling session in a replica Atlantis space shuttle simulator including docking with space station.
Day 3
Individual interviews Ops Manager, Fleet manager, Line Manager, CEO, Training Manager, all existing Capt's and F/O's, the Catering lady and a guy who lives beside the airport at NZHN who thinks the 1900D is "Curvy."
Day 4
Panel interview
Day 5
Psych testing with experts and Dr Phil via Video link (may run into the evening due to time zone difference)
Day 6
Second Atlantis sim ride to confirm you didn't fluke the first one.
Day 7 ......................you get the picture...............
Day 25
Morning-B747 questionaire followed by
Lunch served on board a 1900D restaurant mock up.
If successful may be offered a voluntary ground course which you have to pay for!
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Ah yes good call....
Last time I looked they WERE operating the 1900. Perhaps they have upgraded type for the sub orbital re entries
Or perhaps they should get over themselves and tailor a interview process that reflects the real world. In my view Rex in Aussie have it down pat for the level of airline:
Quick not too difficult tech quiz
30 - 40min interview (chat) about where you are at
Weird Frasca (possibly changed to Saab) sim which is like any other sim - just get through it in one piece!!
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Last time I looked they WERE operating the 1900. Perhaps they have upgraded type for the sub orbital re entries
Or perhaps they should get over themselves and tailor a interview process that reflects the real world. In my view Rex in Aussie have it down pat for the level of airline:
Quick not too difficult tech quiz
30 - 40min interview (chat) about where you are at
Weird Frasca (possibly changed to Saab) sim which is like any other sim - just get through it in one piece!!
One Day
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Best you wait for Rex then Iceman, or you could spend 18k on a rating to fly with Eastern (EasternS to you ozzies!) and have no show of getting into your mother airline.....hmmm, works for me.
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I don't know why some people have a problem with the Eagle interviews. They're nowhere near as bad as some people make out and can actually be quite fun. The panel interveiw is similar to an HR interview for any job requiring a specific set of skills and personal qualities. The sim ride sounds exactly like the Rex one - simple 20 min proceedure (departure and NDB approach).
The group interview is really the only difference from similar airline interviews - and it's no big deal, it's a great way to meet some new people, including the airline representatives.
You do NOT have to pay for the ground course - it is volentary in that you do not get paid to take it (once again, like most other regionals). If you did a GC with Vincent, Air National or Airwork you would be forking out between $500-1000.
It's quite simple guys, if you don't like it, you are quite free not to apply. If I was going to spend $30G+ training an employee, I would have no problem making them jump through a few hoops first.
The group interview is really the only difference from similar airline interviews - and it's no big deal, it's a great way to meet some new people, including the airline representatives.
You do NOT have to pay for the ground course - it is volentary in that you do not get paid to take it (once again, like most other regionals). If you did a GC with Vincent, Air National or Airwork you would be forking out between $500-1000.
It's quite simple guys, if you don't like it, you are quite free not to apply. If I was going to spend $30G+ training an employee, I would have no problem making them jump through a few hoops first.
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Come on Cloud...I think your being a little precious here, lets be honest, Eagle is a small fish operating in an even smaller pond.
The realities of operating a smallish turbo-prop on RPT's in New Zealand allow Eagle to make candidates jump through the hoops as you put it.
Personally I think its a shame...but thats NZ for you
As for paying for the ground course..pure penny pinching..for goodness sake, put people on the ground course who are gonna work for you
The realities of operating a smallish turbo-prop on RPT's in New Zealand allow Eagle to make candidates jump through the hoops as you put it.
Personally I think its a shame...but thats NZ for you
As for paying for the ground course..pure penny pinching..for goodness sake, put people on the ground course who are gonna work for you
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Lucky there are tax-free allowances and yearly incremental pay increases on top of those listed in the CEA then.
Oh goody, can I have a job then.
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You must be Eagle Management: Completey deluded with visions of Grandeur
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Have to agree with CC,
Group interview is a good way to meet each other and despite being under the watchfull eye much humour can be had by all. As has been said its no different to many other industry.
Panel Interview, 45mins with a few tech questions - nothing unique here.
Sim, 15-20mins. Sid out of HN then the NDB approach.
There are certainly no 'hoops' to jump through, particuarly compared to interviews in other industries.
I cant really see why a 19 seat a/c should be unable to have the same interview process to that of a 190seat. In anycase Eag draw mostly from GA where they will be filtering many more 'unknowns' than that of the majors.
Group interview is a good way to meet each other and despite being under the watchfull eye much humour can be had by all. As has been said its no different to many other industry.
Panel Interview, 45mins with a few tech questions - nothing unique here.
Sim, 15-20mins. Sid out of HN then the NDB approach.
There are certainly no 'hoops' to jump through, particuarly compared to interviews in other industries.
The realities of operating a smallish turbo-prop on RPT's in New Zealand allow Eagle to make candidates jump through the hoops as you put it
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As for paying for the ground course..pure penny pinching..for goodness sake, put people on the ground course who are gonna work for you
Don't worry folks, I can assure you that Air Nelson have looked closely at the Ealge group interview. The time will come when there is one interview to enter the Air NZ group.
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Capt on heat, Bravo!
I havent laughed that hard at these pages for a while! You mentioned the docking procedure but neglected to mention the moon landing or shuttle re-entry procedure (fairly similar to flying the 1900D airliner i'm told), I've heard it is an integral part of the selection process.
One other thing if your a decent bloke forget it.... you wont get in, they ony want redgie plane spotters.
Would love to buy you a beer.
I havent laughed that hard at these pages for a while! You mentioned the docking procedure but neglected to mention the moon landing or shuttle re-entry procedure (fairly similar to flying the 1900D airliner i'm told), I've heard it is an integral part of the selection process.
One other thing if your a decent bloke forget it.... you wont get in, they ony want redgie plane spotters.
Would love to buy you a beer.
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One thing though Cloud Cutter and to the other Eagle employees. I do consider that you have to pay for Eagle ground course's and for the privelage of having the damn interview as well.
Case in point: For my three day extravaganza a wee while ago now, there were a few interviewees from the South Island. They had to pay for their return airfares to Auckland, 4 nights in a hotel, living/eating and taxis to Ardmore for the bloody sim. Then once selected they had to pay for flights to Hamilton and then 6 days of accomadation and living expenses for the ground course! All to fly an aeroplane with no hostie and you can't even put an autopilot in when you've had enough of f***en straight and level!
Eagle are part of the Air New Zealnd group aren't they? Surely if an AIRLINE believes you are suitable to interview you for a job they could at least fly you to where you need to be! It doesn't cost them anything. At least Air Nelson pay for your hotel for the ground course, Mt Cook you're already an employee and both fly you to the interview. Even the financially crippled Origin do that!
Question: If the Eagle interview process is so grand and suitable why do so many good bastards and good pilots miss out yet get picked up by other airlines. Another point I've heard (clearly not my own) is that a large % of Eagle chaps/chapess's are prats. Several (not saying we're all perfect) having had histories of dubious of decision making/incidents. I'm surprised DT of Sky tower fame got a no!
And yes CC, I got a yes-not saying I'm a prat though!
Gonna hold you to that beer Split Flap!
Case in point: For my three day extravaganza a wee while ago now, there were a few interviewees from the South Island. They had to pay for their return airfares to Auckland, 4 nights in a hotel, living/eating and taxis to Ardmore for the bloody sim. Then once selected they had to pay for flights to Hamilton and then 6 days of accomadation and living expenses for the ground course! All to fly an aeroplane with no hostie and you can't even put an autopilot in when you've had enough of f***en straight and level!
Eagle are part of the Air New Zealnd group aren't they? Surely if an AIRLINE believes you are suitable to interview you for a job they could at least fly you to where you need to be! It doesn't cost them anything. At least Air Nelson pay for your hotel for the ground course, Mt Cook you're already an employee and both fly you to the interview. Even the financially crippled Origin do that!
Question: If the Eagle interview process is so grand and suitable why do so many good bastards and good pilots miss out yet get picked up by other airlines. Another point I've heard (clearly not my own) is that a large % of Eagle chaps/chapess's are prats. Several (not saying we're all perfect) having had histories of dubious of decision making/incidents. I'm surprised DT of Sky tower fame got a no!
And yes CC, I got a yes-not saying I'm a prat though!
Gonna hold you to that beer Split Flap!
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Yeah, as I've said before, I've seen lots of good people not get through for various reasons (and go on to bigger and better things), and perhaps some get in that shouldn't have? But that's not for me to say.
I agree, it would be nice if Eagle were a bit more helpfull to potential employees in terms of travel and accomodation.
What p!sses me off though, is people blowing things way out of proportion (in either direction). Nobody (worth talking to) thinks the 1900 is a complex aircraft - it is a light twin, and if anything it's easier to operate than the old piston twins most of us cut our teath on. Why do people keep bringing this up, and hijacking threads started by pilots who are genuinely interested in finding out about the company?
I agree, it would be nice if Eagle were a bit more helpfull to potential employees in terms of travel and accomodation.
What p!sses me off though, is people blowing things way out of proportion (in either direction). Nobody (worth talking to) thinks the 1900 is a complex aircraft - it is a light twin, and if anything it's easier to operate than the old piston twins most of us cut our teath on. Why do people keep bringing this up, and hijacking threads started by pilots who are genuinely interested in finding out about the company?
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Cloud, I actually agree with you on this, proportion is everything...my trouble I have with Eagle and the whole recruitment thing with them is their "superiority complex" that also seems to prevail at Air Nelson.
A few years ago I would have given my left nut to get an opportunity with Eagle..before I knew any better I might add. When the email..and the phonecall inviting me to an interview occured, I politely turned them down. What followed really surprised me....a conversation along these lines ensued......
"Are you sure Mr H that you dont wish to return from the UK to interview for a position with Eagle"
"Yes, I am rather happy here as it happens, plus Im flying a big fast Boeing"
"Dont you think Eagle will offer a far better career path for a Kiwi, as well as a better quality of life?"
"that mayby in part true, but Im sure Cathay, Air NZ, or Emirates will be options in the future"
"ahh Mr H, I can ASSURE you that your experience flying overseas will count against you so far as Air NZ is concerned...are you sure you wont reconsider?"
At which point I gave a curt response and hung up on the arrogant pompus C
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So cloud, I agree with you....but you've got that to deal with as well......
Eagle I'm sure is a good place for a first job..the trouble is when people start thinking that its something its not.
H
A few years ago I would have given my left nut to get an opportunity with Eagle..before I knew any better I might add. When the email..and the phonecall inviting me to an interview occured, I politely turned them down. What followed really surprised me....a conversation along these lines ensued......
"Are you sure Mr H that you dont wish to return from the UK to interview for a position with Eagle"
"Yes, I am rather happy here as it happens, plus Im flying a big fast Boeing"
"Dont you think Eagle will offer a far better career path for a Kiwi, as well as a better quality of life?"
"that mayby in part true, but Im sure Cathay, Air NZ, or Emirates will be options in the future"
"ahh Mr H, I can ASSURE you that your experience flying overseas will count against you so far as Air NZ is concerned...are you sure you wont reconsider?"
At which point I gave a curt response and hung up on the arrogant pompus C
tSo cloud, I agree with you....but you've got that to deal with as well......
Eagle I'm sure is a good place for a first job..the trouble is when people start thinking that its something its not.
H
Mr H,
sounds like the person on the phone was a complete goose. Fair cop that you don't like Eagle or Air Nelson.
But what I don't understand, and this question isn't directed solely at Mr H, is how it gets from an obviously pathetic management to pilots who are tw@ts?
The Eagle guys on this forum can come across a bit precious, but surely thats mostly due to a bit of youthful exubrance and over excitement from making that step above GA.
Whenever I read these threads, it's got to the stage where these poor buggars are continuously on the defensive over issues and decisions they have no control over. Most I would imagine, would agree with the various comments made against Eagle's managerial ideas, but probably get sulky at being lumped in with them and start running off at the mouth.
When they got their new planes, it was understandable they were jubilant and made some excited utterance's, but that was a few years ago now. Are guy's still w@nking on about it these days?
Eagle is what it is. No point flogging a dead horse.
Cloud Cutter, I have to say good on you fella.
sounds like the person on the phone was a complete goose. Fair cop that you don't like Eagle or Air Nelson.
But what I don't understand, and this question isn't directed solely at Mr H, is how it gets from an obviously pathetic management to pilots who are tw@ts?
The Eagle guys on this forum can come across a bit precious, but surely thats mostly due to a bit of youthful exubrance and over excitement from making that step above GA.
Whenever I read these threads, it's got to the stage where these poor buggars are continuously on the defensive over issues and decisions they have no control over. Most I would imagine, would agree with the various comments made against Eagle's managerial ideas, but probably get sulky at being lumped in with them and start running off at the mouth.
When they got their new planes, it was understandable they were jubilant and made some excited utterance's, but that was a few years ago now. Are guy's still w@nking on about it these days?
Eagle is what it is. No point flogging a dead horse.
Cloud Cutter, I have to say good on you fella.
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Nike,
Nicely put!
Most of us are happy to have a flying job and have the bills paid each week.
I have said it many times, all companies have twats the industry is full of them so it pointing the finger at one company dosen't really sit well.
CC put it well in saying that those in EAG who rant and rav about what a complex machine the beech is to fly are prob still green and should be excused as they are excited, or a **** and ignored.
This will be my last post on these forums
as it has just occured to me how pointless it has become trying to defend a company which on a whole is very good. We all know the bad points even if you don't work in the company.so why the same anti EAG punters keep hijacking posts about info is beyond me.
My final thought Enjoy what you do! if you can't or don't or have to spend your day bitching about another company then P#ss off and get another career coz you are proberbly dragging everyones outlook on life down with you.
HAPPY FLYING ALL
Nicely put!
Most of us are happy to have a flying job and have the bills paid each week.
I have said it many times, all companies have twats the industry is full of them so it pointing the finger at one company dosen't really sit well.
CC put it well in saying that those in EAG who rant and rav about what a complex machine the beech is to fly are prob still green and should be excused as they are excited, or a **** and ignored.
This will be my last post on these forums
as it has just occured to me how pointless it has become trying to defend a company which on a whole is very good. We all know the bad points even if you don't work in the company.so why the same anti EAG punters keep hijacking posts about info is beyond me.My final thought
Enjoy what you do! if you can't or don't or have to spend your day bitching about another company then P#ss off and get another career coz you are proberbly dragging everyones outlook on life down with you.HAPPY FLYING ALL
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As I'm sure you know... Eagle and Air Nelson are the big fish in an exceedingly small pond. Their arrogance, when it comes to hiring, is beyond belief. I'll bet the guy you spoke to wanted you to step out of your Boeing into the right seat of a 1900, didn't he?
Aviation in a isolated place like NZ is like that. Don't ever confuse it for the real world!
As for overseas experience counting against you... I had that conversation with Air Nelson. "Oh no, you must have 50 hours recent NZ IFR experience to be considered..." - yeah like flying in and out of Heathrow every day is so simple compared to flying in and out of Nelson.
My advice to all pilots who can: leave these shores and get some overseas experience. Enjoy real airlines and decent equipment. Learn how to fly in airspace that is actually busy. You will never regret it. Well, you might when you try to get a job back here...
As I'm sure you know... Eagle and Air Nelson are the big fish in an exceedingly small pond. Their arrogance, when it comes to hiring, is beyond belief. I'll bet the guy you spoke to wanted you to step out of your Boeing into the right seat of a 1900, didn't he?
Aviation in a isolated place like NZ is like that. Don't ever confuse it for the real world!
As for overseas experience counting against you... I had that conversation with Air Nelson. "Oh no, you must have 50 hours recent NZ IFR experience to be considered..." - yeah like flying in and out of Heathrow every day is so simple compared to flying in and out of Nelson.
My advice to all pilots who can: leave these shores and get some overseas experience. Enjoy real airlines and decent equipment. Learn how to fly in airspace that is actually busy. You will never regret it. Well, you might when you try to get a job back here...
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Johnnyk,
In pretty sure you will not be disadvantaged with Link by doing Aussie ATP and then converting. Of course you will have to sit the 7 aussie subjects, then battle through filling out the form (which I suspect is Casa's way of weeding out the non ATPL type people, as the exam won't achieve this..) and submit it, in return you will get the Licence.
Get a form off NZCAA website fill it in pay $100 or there abouts and recieve a NZ ATP.
Certainly AirNZ won't blink an eye, so long as you meet requirements and tick all their boxes. Surely the Link carriers wouldn't have a different policy???
In pretty sure you will not be disadvantaged with Link by doing Aussie ATP and then converting. Of course you will have to sit the 7 aussie subjects, then battle through filling out the form (which I suspect is Casa's way of weeding out the non ATPL type people, as the exam won't achieve this..) and submit it, in return you will get the Licence.
Get a form off NZCAA website fill it in pay $100 or there abouts and recieve a NZ ATP.
Certainly AirNZ won't blink an eye, so long as you meet requirements and tick all their boxes. Surely the Link carriers wouldn't have a different policy???
