Worst paid turbine drivers
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Worst paid turbine drivers
Anybody out there flying million dollar plus aeroplanes for less than the dole?
Before I get my head bitten off, yes I bought it on my self. I was just wondering if I was alone.
Before I get my head bitten off, yes I bought it on my self. I was just wondering if I was alone.
0tter1/ Woomera,
I was getting at MD80, 717, 737, A320 size aircraft, costs 40+ million to buy, and pay the drivers so little.
I think the wages at the lower end are too low.
I was getting at MD80, 717, 737, A320 size aircraft, costs 40+ million to buy, and pay the drivers so little.
I think the wages at the lower end are too low.
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Most of the regionals here in the USA pay about 18'000 a year for the first year. It doesnt help when you have to live in a city that costs about as much as Sydney... The a/c they operate are CRJ's and EMB Jets. Not that big, but still expensive machines.
Most of the regionals here in the USA pay about 18'000 a year for the first year. It doesnt help when you have to live in a city that costs about as much as Sydney... The a/c they operate are CRJ's and EMB Jets. Not that big, but still expensive machines.
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Crane drivers I think gets around 80,000/year ( with overtime ).
A330 S/O in Asia $12,000 or less a year ( with everything in it ) As what swh said.
SWH is spot on, I was offered an A330 S/O seat for $12,000 AUD a year ( equivalent ) in Asia.
What's wrong with this picture ?
I use my finance and accounting degree and I get offered 120,000/year.
Where's the economic sense in flying the A330 or any turbo prop even with Qlink offering 35k less 18k for endo ?
Boys and girls, I see it as you only do it for the love of flying and not for the money.
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A330 S/O in Asia $12,000 or less a year ( with everything in it ) As what swh said.
SWH is spot on, I was offered an A330 S/O seat for $12,000 AUD a year ( equivalent ) in Asia.
What's wrong with this picture ?
I use my finance and accounting degree and I get offered 120,000/year.
Where's the economic sense in flying the A330 or any turbo prop even with Qlink offering 35k less 18k for endo ?
Boys and girls, I see it as you only do it for the love of flying and not for the money.
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Yeah, its disgusting what those at that end of the food chain get, especially after what they have to go through to get there. But is it not just supply and demand economics? For it to change either the supply or the demand will have to change. Surely, nobody in their right mind would consider the supply side of the equation..... but they keep coming dont they! If a good PJE pilot was a bit harder to find, they might just pay them properly...
(What really confuses me in all of this though is why those at the top get so much.)
Why am I suggesting that is the end of the food chain - it isn't really is it? Some of us are working for even less!
Cannot imagine Mr Howard's new work place legislation doing much to help. A good old fashioned AWA is all about paying those with the skills in demand and allowing employers to crap on those who are unfortunate enough to work in an industry where there is a plentiful labour supply. I hate to say it but things can only get worse.
(What really confuses me in all of this though is why those at the top get so much.)
Why am I suggesting that is the end of the food chain - it isn't really is it? Some of us are working for even less!
Cannot imagine Mr Howard's new work place legislation doing much to help. A good old fashioned AWA is all about paying those with the skills in demand and allowing employers to crap on those who are unfortunate enough to work in an industry where there is a plentiful labour supply. I hate to say it but things can only get worse.
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D6. Stick to accounting and finance! I'm sure you will be far more satisfied!
If you were employed as an SO with Qantas you would be paid an Australian comparable salary.
As an opportunist, you overlook the fact that an A330 S/O in Asia on $12,000 or less a year is probably doing far better financially that his/her fellow countryman.
Horses for courses!
Woomera
If you were employed as an SO with Qantas you would be paid an Australian comparable salary.
As an opportunist, you overlook the fact that an A330 S/O in Asia on $12,000 or less a year is probably doing far better financially that his/her fellow countryman.
Horses for courses!
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Your absolutely right...... it's all about perspective. As for me..... well i judge the level of pay and conditions on how much a beer costs. Beer in Hong Kong can cost $7-8 AUD a stubby. Where as in the Philippines, Indonesia or Thailand you can get one for under $1-2 AUD bucks. So by that lodgic..... South east Asian airlines deserve what they get and CX and QF guys likewise.....
Why do i get the feeling that I'm going to need a flack jacket for that last comment.
Your absolutely right...... it's all about perspective. As for me..... well i judge the level of pay and conditions on how much a beer costs. Beer in Hong Kong can cost $7-8 AUD a stubby. Where as in the Philippines, Indonesia or Thailand you can get one for under $1-2 AUD bucks. So by that lodgic..... South east Asian airlines deserve what they get and CX and QF guys likewise.....
Why do i get the feeling that I'm going to need a flack jacket for that last comment.
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you overlook the fact that an A330 S/O in Asia on $12,000 or less a year is probably doing far better financially that his/her fellow countryman.
They know diddely squat about how much QF pilots get paid. I didn't say anything coz I didn't want to start a mass exodus out of that airline if they found out.
Me an opportunist ?......... nothing wrong with looking at what is going on in the outside world
Nigh watch, care to elaborate what you meant with this ?
South east Asian airlines deserve what they get and CX and QF guys likewise.....
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DeltaSix. I’m not sure where this discussion is going, however I’ll try to appreciate your perspective.
Wages, whether a pilot, train driver, or accountant etc, are dictated by a country’s socio economic structure, influenced by supply and demand within each specific vocation. If an experienced MBA or IT graduate in the Philippines for example, earns on average PHP 30,000 (Aus$680) per month and a labourer earns PHP 12,000 (Aus$275) per month, where is the justification for paying an airline captain an equivalent first world wage of PNP 550,000 (Aus$12,500) per month?
“I use my finance and accounting degree and I get offered 120,000/year.” Yes, in Australia perhaps, but would you get offered the same salary in the Philippines, China or India? I doubt it! Why should you expect a preferential salary to work as a pilot in one of those countries, when one of their citizens is willing to fill the position at a salary that country can afford? If that country were short of accountants or pilots, the situation may be different – supply and demand!
The cost of training is not a factor which has any great influence on wages. It is simply supply and demand within each specific vocation or profession. The fact there are less MBAs, IT graduates or airline pilots, versus the number required by that society, results in a higher wage or “buying price”.
In Australia, there is generally a surplus of new, inexperienced CPL graduates, thus they are being unfairly exploited by unscrupulous operators – see other threads in Dunnunda forums. Conversely, with the rapid expansion in airline operations in Australia and whilst there is no shortage of aspiring candidates, there is a limited pool of qualified and experienced airline pilots and they command a significantly higher wage.
Pilot training costs in Asia are generally lower and many pilots are trained by the military, under government funded or partially funded schemes or as airline funded cadets.
The fact some pilots move to other countries and higher wages is again a factor of supply and demand – in the same manner many Australian pilots have moved to overseas flying positions. That is their indisputable right.
If you don’t understand “supply and demand” go study crude oil prices over the past five years or so.
I suspect Night Watch perhaps omitted one word: “South east Asian airline PILOTS deserve what they get and CX and QF guys likewise.....” I think he was alluding to my comments above. I agree with him.
Woomera
Wages, whether a pilot, train driver, or accountant etc, are dictated by a country’s socio economic structure, influenced by supply and demand within each specific vocation. If an experienced MBA or IT graduate in the Philippines for example, earns on average PHP 30,000 (Aus$680) per month and a labourer earns PHP 12,000 (Aus$275) per month, where is the justification for paying an airline captain an equivalent first world wage of PNP 550,000 (Aus$12,500) per month?
“I use my finance and accounting degree and I get offered 120,000/year.” Yes, in Australia perhaps, but would you get offered the same salary in the Philippines, China or India? I doubt it! Why should you expect a preferential salary to work as a pilot in one of those countries, when one of their citizens is willing to fill the position at a salary that country can afford? If that country were short of accountants or pilots, the situation may be different – supply and demand!
The cost of training is not a factor which has any great influence on wages. It is simply supply and demand within each specific vocation or profession. The fact there are less MBAs, IT graduates or airline pilots, versus the number required by that society, results in a higher wage or “buying price”.
In Australia, there is generally a surplus of new, inexperienced CPL graduates, thus they are being unfairly exploited by unscrupulous operators – see other threads in Dunnunda forums. Conversely, with the rapid expansion in airline operations in Australia and whilst there is no shortage of aspiring candidates, there is a limited pool of qualified and experienced airline pilots and they command a significantly higher wage.
Pilot training costs in Asia are generally lower and many pilots are trained by the military, under government funded or partially funded schemes or as airline funded cadets.
The fact some pilots move to other countries and higher wages is again a factor of supply and demand – in the same manner many Australian pilots have moved to overseas flying positions. That is their indisputable right.
If you don’t understand “supply and demand” go study crude oil prices over the past five years or so.
I suspect Night Watch perhaps omitted one word: “South east Asian airline PILOTS deserve what they get and CX and QF guys likewise.....” I think he was alluding to my comments above. I agree with him.
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Just to show off to you 'other' turbine drivers, us turbine Ag pilots who fly in the cotton areas expect to earn between $100 - 200k per year. About $150k is average I would say with a good large turbine operator.
Sorry to rub it in - couldn't help myself
AT502
Because, AT502, there is a limited pool of pilots with the requisite skills and experience. That supply and demand thing again!!
And from what I've seen of your activities, you deserve every dollar!
Woomera
Sorry to rub it in - couldn't help myself
AT502
Because, AT502, there is a limited pool of pilots with the requisite skills and experience. That supply and demand thing again!!
And from what I've seen of your activities, you deserve every dollar!
Woomera
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If you want to earn decent money flying even a simple turbine (C208), the certainly consider contract work in Africa. You will need to validate your AUS licence to a South African licence - matter of sitting Air Law and Procedures and then doing a flight test. There are many companies which offer contract work. The locations that you might get sent to are maybe not the best in the world but the money is quite good. Seems better than what the previous replies are saying.