Advicefor a Newbee Please
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It has always been the same down there. I would say that, that mob (Aerial Patrol Charity, AKA Business) have successfully managed to p!ss off most people over the years at YWOL. It has got something to do with senior management (I have first hand experience of them ripping me off). The sooner they close down and someone with some business sense and morals comes along the better.
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You got it in one!
Gumboots, they are one and the same!
The CP is a renowned w*@%er from way back and the 4 gold bars (and star) are to establish just who is in charge when crewing that high-tech C152! When you operate in such a demanding crew environment, I think it is essential that a clear deliniation of crew roles is obvious to avoid any possibility of confusion between operating crew, tech crew and cabin crew......I did mention he drives C152's didn't I?
The CP is a renowned w*@%er from way back and the 4 gold bars (and star) are to establish just who is in charge when crewing that high-tech C152! When you operate in such a demanding crew environment, I think it is essential that a clear deliniation of crew roles is obvious to avoid any possibility of confusion between operating crew, tech crew and cabin crew......I did mention he drives C152's didn't I?
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I wonder what sort of deal the guys/gals doing the baggage handling for QantasLink are on? They would have to qualify for WorkCover and Super now surely? or are QantasLink not concerned that they could be lending credibility to an organisation that underpays/scams their employees in direct breech of the employment laws of this country?
Oh; maybe they could use some of the gold presently adorning the lofty shoulders of their CFI to pay the very people that keep the organisation afloat?
or are QantasLink not concerned that they could be lending credibility to an organisation that underpays/scams their employees in direct breech of the employment laws of this country? Oh; maybe they could use some of the gold presently adorning the lofty shoulders of their CFI to pay the very people that keep the organisation afloat?
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What will he think up next!?
The illustrious HM was in the paper last Sunday begging the state government for $70,000 so they can resume patrolling the Sydney beaches. According to HM, a shark attack on the Sydney beaches is now imminent - is he genuinely suggesting that there hasn't been one in the past hundred years because of the Aerial Patrol? Well that's certainly the way it reads!
There is really only 1 shark trolling the south coast beaches and that's the GREAT GREY POINTER that flits around in the little black car me thinks!
For once, the State Government has made the RIGHT decision to stop wasting taxpayers money on this piece of crap organisation.
There is really only 1 shark trolling the south coast beaches and that's the GREAT GREY POINTER that flits around in the little black car me thinks!
For once, the State Government has made the RIGHT decision to stop wasting taxpayers money on this piece of crap organisation.
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I cant believe you poor Ozzy tax payers have to foot the bill for shark spotting from aircraft! What a ridiculous waste of money. Maybe they should get some ocean patrols going further out as well, watching out for tsunamis. How bout those box jellyfish up north? So thats what the australian submarines are for, the lucrative jellyfish spotting contracts 
closing down party
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Warning Will Robinson...........
This organisation has had one very bad week!
State Government has made it clear on no less han 3 occcasions that there will be NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING for the AP (last 8am today by member for Illawarra) although I don't think the AP has been informed yet. Seems the phone bill wasn't paid and the boys have had to use their private phones for work......oooops!
Anybody owed money should get in early.....believe the queue might be a long one!
State Government has made it clear on no less han 3 occcasions that there will be NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING for the AP (last 8am today by member for Illawarra) although I don't think the AP has been informed yet. Seems the phone bill wasn't paid and the boys have had to use their private phones for work......oooops!
Anybody owed money should get in early.....believe the queue might be a long one!
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I completed an instructor rating in the Sydney area not to long ago and near the end of the course our chief instructor sat us down and gave us the run down for job prospects in the area. At the end of the talk he stated that what ever we did, do not get a job with this mob, it wouldnt be good for us now or for future employment opportunities. The instructor giving this advice has been instructing for many years and knows his stuff.
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HM is firmly on notice about the treatment/payment of his staffers. Little birdy tells that a Union is involved now and is interested in discussing the plight of the troops....would be interesting to see how he digs his way out of this hole? Also understand that Workcover has some concerns about certain aspects of the baggage handlers duties.....another hole me thinks!
Final comment: this mob has been crying poor and running to the State Government seeking funding for their shark patrols. Can anyone suggest one valid reason for conducting yesterdays patrols in a Partenavia when you have a C182 available??? Why didn't they just roll out the Chieftain?
Also understand that Workcover has some concerns about certain aspects of the baggage handlers duties.....another hole me thinks! Final comment: this mob has been crying poor and running to the State Government seeking funding for their shark patrols. Can anyone suggest one valid reason for conducting yesterdays patrols in a Partenavia when you have a C182 available??? Why didn't they just roll out the Chieftain?
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Can anyone suggest one valid reason for conducting yesterdays patrols in a Partenavia....?
I don't know about the mob under discussion but we used to fly up and down the Gold Coast then up to the Sunshine Coast with some longish stretches out of glide range of land.
Even so would you really want to put down on a busy beach if your single donk quit?
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CASA really should step in.........
Was doing some research last night and found this little gem:
http://www.nswair.com.au/
The website has numerous quotes like this one:
The item then goes on to describe their available aircraft including Jets etc.
This company would be one of the most disrespected organisations in Australia and under the truth in advertising guidelines they have no right making these scandalous claims!
http://www.nswair.com.au/
The website has numerous quotes like this one:
NSW Air Pty Ltd is one of the most respected charter service companies in the region.
This company would be one of the most disrespected organisations in Australia and under the truth in advertising guidelines they have no right making these scandalous claims!
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PATROL FUNDING CRISIS
Here we go again!
Wednesday 5th October 2005 – Lake Times Newspaper. (Illawarra NSW)
Front Page, half of Page 3 and the Editorial dedicated to the Patrol Funding Crisis presently confronting the Australian Aerial Patrol. The front page has the illustrious AAP GM, South Coast MP, a volunteer and the Shadow Police Minister.
GM is bleating that the AAP is at risk of having to cease its shark patrols along the south coast due to a lack of funding. (Fails to mention that the majority of those beaches are netted against sharks and that there has not been a shark attack on any of these beaches in yonks!). The articles drivels ad nauseum about how their services are integral to the safety of beach-goers and how recently they were called upon to search for a missing upturned boat. On the front page they claim; “The Search and Rescue service which the patrol provides is the only one of its type in Australia”.(???)
Now, there are more than a few issues that need addressing in these articles:
Firstly, The AAP purchased a flying training organisation about 8 years ago. The major portion of their justification for buying the business (as explained to the ACCC) was that they would be self-sufficient and would not need to rely upon handouts to carry on their work. So where DOES the money generated from the flying training school go?
They also trade as NSWAir Pty Ltd and according to their website(s), have all these wonderful aircraft and high-flying pilots conducting charters all over the place in turbo-props and jets, so where does all this money go?
They also have the baggage handling contract for the QantasLink services into the Illawarra, not an untidy sum I’m lead to believe, so where does THIS money go?
Secondly, the AAP is a Tier 1 Search and Rescue provider. When they are called out, THEY ARE PAID HANDSOMELY for their efforts. Where does this money go?
And Finally, four local councils contribute a huge chunk of ratepayers money annually to the AAP to conduct their shark patrol function, Shellharbour Council waivers their landing fees and returns their rent annually by way of a grant so where does this money go?
Surely it is time someone looked into this organisation? If they really are THAT strapped for cash (and the employee’s wages would indicate they are) then surely issues affecting safety might need looking at by the regulator and sooner rather than later maybe!?!
Wednesday 5th October 2005 – Lake Times Newspaper. (Illawarra NSW)
Front Page, half of Page 3 and the Editorial dedicated to the Patrol Funding Crisis presently confronting the Australian Aerial Patrol. The front page has the illustrious AAP GM, South Coast MP, a volunteer and the Shadow Police Minister.
GM is bleating that the AAP is at risk of having to cease its shark patrols along the south coast due to a lack of funding. (Fails to mention that the majority of those beaches are netted against sharks and that there has not been a shark attack on any of these beaches in yonks!). The articles drivels ad nauseum about how their services are integral to the safety of beach-goers and how recently they were called upon to search for a missing upturned boat. On the front page they claim; “The Search and Rescue service which the patrol provides is the only one of its type in Australia”.(???)
Now, there are more than a few issues that need addressing in these articles:
Firstly, The AAP purchased a flying training organisation about 8 years ago. The major portion of their justification for buying the business (as explained to the ACCC) was that they would be self-sufficient and would not need to rely upon handouts to carry on their work. So where DOES the money generated from the flying training school go?
They also trade as NSWAir Pty Ltd and according to their website(s), have all these wonderful aircraft and high-flying pilots conducting charters all over the place in turbo-props and jets, so where does all this money go?
They also have the baggage handling contract for the QantasLink services into the Illawarra, not an untidy sum I’m lead to believe, so where does THIS money go?
Secondly, the AAP is a Tier 1 Search and Rescue provider. When they are called out, THEY ARE PAID HANDSOMELY for their efforts. Where does this money go?
And Finally, four local councils contribute a huge chunk of ratepayers money annually to the AAP to conduct their shark patrol function, Shellharbour Council waivers their landing fees and returns their rent annually by way of a grant so where does this money go?
Surely it is time someone looked into this organisation? If they really are THAT strapped for cash (and the employee’s wages would indicate they are) then surely issues affecting safety might need looking at by the regulator and sooner rather than later maybe!?!
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“With a vast region that includes industry, commerce, education and Government facilities, Illawarra commuters are presently reliant on travelling to Sydney Airport to catch an aircraft to a destination.” Mr Gengos said “NSW AIR will provide Illawarra commuters with the flexibility to fly to any destination free from airline schedules from the Illawarra Regional Airport in Shellharbour”. “Time is critical and air charter is the answer for more effective commuting and minimising of productivity losses” Mr Gengos said. NSW AIR will offer a premium range of aircraft ranging from modern twin piston engine aircraft to the larger turbo prop and business jet aircraft with the convenience of transporting small or large numbers of commuters in one aircraft. Mr Gengos said “aircraft charter allows a Company to send a representative or sales team regionally or interstate quickly, comfortably and securely gaining valuable time with customers or colleagues”. NSW AIR has operated at the Illawarra Regional Airport since 1999 as a commercial flight training and scenic flight provider. Established by the Australian Aerial Patrol, the Company looks forward to providing this new service to Illawarra Companies and individuals. Warren Gengos heads the Company with a wealth of experience and knowledge having established and run airline RPT and Charter services nationwide.
and could it be that they're using stealth turbo prop and jet aircraft for their operations?
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Another tick for Pprune
Learned today that the push for state government funding for this mob is directly as a result of the workers seeking proper payment for the work they do!
Seems a few of the workers have joined a union and have commenced action against the AAP for proper pay and conditions and now their illustrious leaders are up to their proverbial necks in guarno!
GM has allegedly suggested that if the funding is not forthcoming (and soon) then they will have to significantly reduce their shark patrol functions which effectively means their sponsors/councils should look at significantly reducing their annual contributions in line with the level of service they are performing!
A well-positioned local has kindly offered to 'monitor' the level of services provided by this mob this coming summer and it will be interesting to see how the numbers stack up next year when they approach all the local councils for their annual handout of the community's money!
Seems a few of the workers have joined a union and have commenced action against the AAP for proper pay and conditions and now their illustrious leaders are up to their proverbial necks in guarno!
GM has allegedly suggested that if the funding is not forthcoming (and soon) then they will have to significantly reduce their shark patrol functions which effectively means their sponsors/councils should look at significantly reducing their annual contributions in line with the level of service they are performing!
A well-positioned local has kindly offered to 'monitor' the level of services provided by this mob this coming summer and it will be interesting to see how the numbers stack up next year when they approach all the local councils for their annual handout of the community's money!