Advicefor a Newbee Please
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Try this little gem......
Student has done 4 hours from scratch. School needs to get a 152 to Bankstown for an oil change. Student agrees to the service run and the trip includes IF (under the hood) there and back. Student is charged DUAL RATES AND IS CHARGED THE LANDING FEE AT YSBK! He questions if this is right and the CFI confirms that he is to pay all the associated fees for the 'lesson'!
Outcome: 1 very pi**ed off student who walks and finishes all his training elsewhere.
Business accuman: ZIP! Save $12 and lose $25,000.00 +
Outcome: 1 very pi**ed off student who walks and finishes all his training elsewhere.
Business accuman: ZIP! Save $12 and lose $25,000.00 +
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Thank you to everyone that responded. Your advice is appreciated. Unfortunately anyone here caught talking to anyone about these issues has been threatened with dismissal and everyone has been banned from participating in the Prune debate on this or any other subject!
So much for healthy debate and fair trading principles
So much for healthy debate and fair trading principles
Seasonally Adjusted
How are 'they' going to know you are participating in the Pprune debate if you post at home under an anonymous name?
Sounds like it's time to vote with your feet.
Must be other ways to achieve the dream.
Sounds like it's time to vote with your feet.
Must be other ways to achieve the dream.
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Probably can't afford the net at home due p$ss-poor instructor pay... 
At one stage recently they had a Duchy online that was from Bankstown - needed to be ferried back and forwards - one instructor doing their MECIR was charged private rates to do the ferry flights.
Yeah OK they were the only student requiring the aircraft - but they were also EMPLOYED by the school in question.
Figure that one out...
the CFI confirms that he is to pay all the associated fees for the 'lesson'!
Yeah OK they were the only student requiring the aircraft - but they were also EMPLOYED by the school in question.
Figure that one out...
What a joke this place is!!
I have seen this sort of behaviour first hand there at this organisation.
My feet did the the talking and I went elsewhere as I could not believe the audacity of this operator.
All of what has been stated is true in the previous posts.
Not to worry....I hear that their AusSAR contract is on thin ice as it is.
I have seen this sort of behaviour first hand there at this organisation.
My feet did the the talking and I went elsewhere as I could not believe the audacity of this operator.
All of what has been stated is true in the previous posts.
Not to worry....I hear that their AusSAR contract is on thin ice as it is.
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CASA needs to look very closely at the SAR functions of this organisation. It is not reasonable or fair to expect an organisation so strapped for cash to be operationally ready for these types of functions on a 24 hour basis - and this organisation is not!
Almost without fail, these guys/gals wheel out the Chieftain on the last day of the month and fly the required ILS and NDB approach - for the remainder of the month, the aircraft is hardly ever flown and certainly not by all of the rostered aircrews! Have another Sydney to Hobart yacht race-type incident and you have some very uncurrent pilots trying to do the impossible: a real recipe for disaster that could have the most devastating outcome
Dookie: The AusSAR contract should have been pulled years ago when it was obvious to everyone that they were incapable of maintaining the contractual crewing requirements without cheating on the books! On top of all that, it is alleged they have financially rolled nearly every maintenance provider in the state.
Almost without fail, these guys/gals wheel out the Chieftain on the last day of the month and fly the required ILS and NDB approach - for the remainder of the month, the aircraft is hardly ever flown and certainly not by all of the rostered aircrews! Have another Sydney to Hobart yacht race-type incident and you have some very uncurrent pilots trying to do the impossible: a real recipe for disaster that could have the most devastating outcome
Dookie: The AusSAR contract should have been pulled years ago when it was obvious to everyone that they were incapable of maintaining the contractual crewing requirements without cheating on the books! On top of all that, it is alleged they have financially rolled nearly every maintenance provider in the state.
Pitch yes I realise this but somehow they still held onto that contract. God knows how!
I remember seeing the guys take the Partenavia rather than the Chieftain out for their required ILS etc as it was cheaper so their currency was shot when they were actually called to task!
I could go on with the disasters which unfolded down there!
I remember seeing the guys take the Partenavia rather than the Chieftain out for their required ILS etc as it was cheaper so their currency was shot when they were actually called to task!
I could go on with the disasters which unfolded down there!
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Angelseeker
I feel sorry for what you are going through. It is a shame that an employer thinks that they are able to treat employees like this. I can not understand how ignorant they are regarding super and work cover. Take the advice of many on this forum:
1) Do not allow yourself to be bullied and treated like a drone
2) Be fully prepared to walk and find a decent employer
Maybe, just maybe if they had any business sense they would realise that a happy employee leads to happy customers and a happy customer leads to profits. But they seem to have the formula back the front. Oh well, that is their choice and their loss!
Ash767
I feel sorry for what you are going through. It is a shame that an employer thinks that they are able to treat employees like this. I can not understand how ignorant they are regarding super and work cover. Take the advice of many on this forum:
1) Do not allow yourself to be bullied and treated like a drone
2) Be fully prepared to walk and find a decent employer
Maybe, just maybe if they had any business sense they would realise that a happy employee leads to happy customers and a happy customer leads to profits. But they seem to have the formula back the front. Oh well, that is their choice and their loss!
Ash767
I remember late last year an ad appeared in Aviation Trader for a "Multi Engine IFR charter pilot and instructor." No company name was provided, nor was any location other than a PO Box somewhere in Sydney.
It listed various min requirements, most of which I met so I sent off an application, thinking it was perhaps a new start-up at Bankstown.
I was then quite surprised to get a phonecall from XX at this mob offering me an interview. When I asked him about the "charter" side of things it was pretty clear there was some A1 bullsh1tting going on. I also asked him why he didn't name the company in the ad, or any more details, to which there was no response. I basically told him in the end that I didn't realise who I was applying to, and thus wasn't interested at all. If I had known it was them I wouldn't have touched it!
Angelseeker, good luck with whatever decision you make, but stay strong, if you decide to leave it will be rewarded down the track.
TL
It listed various min requirements, most of which I met so I sent off an application, thinking it was perhaps a new start-up at Bankstown.
I was then quite surprised to get a phonecall from XX at this mob offering me an interview. When I asked him about the "charter" side of things it was pretty clear there was some A1 bullsh1tting going on. I also asked him why he didn't name the company in the ad, or any more details, to which there was no response. I basically told him in the end that I didn't realise who I was applying to, and thus wasn't interested at all. If I had known it was them I wouldn't have touched it!
Angelseeker, good luck with whatever decision you make, but stay strong, if you decide to leave it will be rewarded down the track.
TL
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Angelseeker. Your alleged "...agreement waiving (your) rights to Work Cover and Super..." is irrelevant, worthless and meaningless. You are not a "contractor" and can not sign away your legislative rights as an employee. You are either a casual, part time or full time employee with Award entitlements and your employer is obliged by law to pay your workcover and employer superannuation contributions.
Please email or PM Woomera with details of the alleged "agreement".
I am intrigued with the comment:
"....and everyone has been banned from participating in the Prune debate on this or any other subject!"
Perhaps the organisation concerned - and I have no idea who that may be - would email [email protected] and confirm it is not impinging on it's employee's right to privacy and free speech?
The user who contact me by the "Report this post" function should be aware the return email address they gave is:
Woomera
Please email or PM Woomera with details of the alleged "agreement".
I am intrigued with the comment:
"....and everyone has been banned from participating in the Prune debate on this or any other subject!"
Perhaps the organisation concerned - and I have no idea who that may be - would email [email protected] and confirm it is not impinging on it's employee's right to privacy and free speech?
The user who contact me by the "Report this post" function should be aware the return email address they gave is:
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Story is that one of their own dobbed them in for cheating on the SAR roster with bodgy crew lists and nominating crew when they were not available.
They are seldom if ever called out now due to uncertainty about crews/quals/experience/availability. Major agencies (police) have stopped calling them out for various reasons.
No point having a contract if nobody is going to use you?
They are seldom if ever called out now due to uncertainty about crews/quals/experience/availability. Major agencies (police) have stopped calling them out for various reasons.
No point having a contract if nobody is going to use you?
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The operation mentioned ad nauseum in this thread from Wollongong today advertised in the Lake Times for new loadmasters and dropmasters required urgently! Appears all the regulars have had a gutfull and are deserting this scumming little operation in droves.
Now their problems escalate with even less experienced crews being expected to operate in the demanding Search and Rescue roles! Surely it's time someone stepped in and closed this scam from continuing any longer and before someone gets hurt?
Now their problems escalate with even less experienced crews being expected to operate in the demanding Search and Rescue roles! Surely it's time someone stepped in and closed this scam from continuing any longer and before someone gets hurt?
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Thanks for the info overboosted!
Gee they must be over the loss!
Yes I thinkl they have what it takes to be added to the list! i.e.
Ash767
Gee they must be
over the loss!Yes I thinkl they have what it takes to be added to the list! i.e.
we have all had to sign an agreement waiving our rights to Work Cover and Super
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It beggars belief?
Can anyone tell me why the community/ratepayers on the south coast keep contributing to this mob when it is obvious that they are ripping off their employees?
Wollongong, Shellharbour, Kiama and Nowra all contribute money annually to this organisation which in a way, leads credence to their operations, when in reality, they are ripping of the community bigtime! Add to that that for the past 3 years, they have done less than 45% of their beach patrols due to a lack of funds and lost the Sydney beaches because the councils up that way could see little to no benefit in their operations!
Wollongong, Shellharbour, Kiama and Nowra all contribute money annually to this organisation which in a way, leads credence to their operations, when in reality, they are ripping of the community bigtime! Add to that that for the past 3 years, they have done less than 45% of their beach patrols due to a lack of funds and lost the Sydney beaches because the councils up that way could see little to no benefit in their operations!