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gaunty:
Your assessment of the commercial dynamics and drivers of GA business is, as usual, spot on; both on this, and other Pprune fora.
But don't be too hard on wouldulikefrieswiththat. Unlike some other young pilots, at least he's come up with a different angle and prepared to have a go; instead of just whingeing about the fact that no-one in the industry will give him a job.
Your assessment of the commercial dynamics and drivers of GA business is, as usual, spot on; both on this, and other Pprune fora.
But don't be too hard on wouldulikefrieswiththat. Unlike some other young pilots, at least he's come up with a different angle and prepared to have a go; instead of just whingeing about the fact that no-one in the industry will give him a job.
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QSK thank 'tis but common sense.
And I applaud wouldulikefrieswiththat get up and go.
It's the "greek chorus" or is it the "sirens" that would lure him onto the rocks that I worry about for him.
Sorry wouldulikefrieswiththat it's not personal just serial deja vu.
I sincerely wish you the best in the prosecution of your dream, just keep a level head and don't get sucked into the vortex.
If you are what "they" are looking for you will eventually get there, just don't rush your fences.
Good luck.
And I applaud wouldulikefrieswiththat get up and go.
It's the "greek chorus" or is it the "sirens" that would lure him onto the rocks that I worry about for him.
Sorry wouldulikefrieswiththat it's not personal just serial deja vu.
I sincerely wish you the best in the prosecution of your dream, just keep a level head and don't get sucked into the vortex.
If you are what "they" are looking for you will eventually get there, just don't rush your fences.
Good luck.
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gaunty,
Your posts are to the point and very educational, and I cannot agree more.
What I have noticed over the past 3 to 5 years is the escalating cost of maintenance of our GA (single and light twin) aircraft.I have never seen a sadder light GA fleet.
When you look at the cost of corrosion repairs, together with the cost of refurbishment parts and labour, the time has arrived when new machinery (if the Aussie dollar continues to hold up) is the ONLY way forward.
250k to 300k for new Cessna light singles is good value for proven training/pleasure aircraft, when the alternatives of maintenance/refurbs are considered.
The breakeven utilisation for these new aircraft is about 500 hours per year (without tax man subsidy) at reasonable charge out rates - anything less cannot be justified, but a well run outfit should have no trouble, and I'm talking tach/maint hours here not VDO, which will run about 25% more than tach in the training environment.
Let's hope the Aussie holds up.
What the posters here need to know is that any older GA (70's) machine for sale that has not had SERIOUS MAJOR maintenance within the past 5 to 10 years (at least 20k to 30k for a simple single spent with a reputable outfit ) is an open cheque book - and this is in addition to 100 hourlys.
200 hours cross hire p/a on an old banger will not work any more, the aircraft will be a wreck when you try to get your money back.
Give up now.
Gaunty, I think the future is bright if the regulators will get behind us.
The opportunity is the best it's been for 20 years. It's a shame the guvmint sold our aerodromes. But we can find other ones.
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Your posts are to the point and very educational, and I cannot agree more.
What I have noticed over the past 3 to 5 years is the escalating cost of maintenance of our GA (single and light twin) aircraft.I have never seen a sadder light GA fleet.
When you look at the cost of corrosion repairs, together with the cost of refurbishment parts and labour, the time has arrived when new machinery (if the Aussie dollar continues to hold up) is the ONLY way forward.
250k to 300k for new Cessna light singles is good value for proven training/pleasure aircraft, when the alternatives of maintenance/refurbs are considered.
The breakeven utilisation for these new aircraft is about 500 hours per year (without tax man subsidy) at reasonable charge out rates - anything less cannot be justified, but a well run outfit should have no trouble, and I'm talking tach/maint hours here not VDO, which will run about 25% more than tach in the training environment.
Let's hope the Aussie holds up.
What the posters here need to know is that any older GA (70's) machine for sale that has not had SERIOUS MAJOR maintenance within the past 5 to 10 years (at least 20k to 30k for a simple single spent with a reputable outfit ) is an open cheque book - and this is in addition to 100 hourlys.
200 hours cross hire p/a on an old banger will not work any more, the aircraft will be a wreck when you try to get your money back.
Give up now.
Gaunty, I think the future is bright if the regulators will get behind us.
The opportunity is the best it's been for 20 years. It's a shame the guvmint sold our aerodromes. But we can find other ones.
CHAIRMAN
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Thank you.
and our friend Dick dares to get all righteous about the $78k on his million dollar aircraft.
Clearly you have been to the same places and written the same cheques as I.
Some would have us believe that 30+ years on the learning curve has come to nought.
Why are that end of the market surprised and outraged when the regulatory requirements are stiffened a little to ensure the old clunker stays airworthy.
Thank you.
What the posters here need to know is that any older GA (70's) machine for sale that has not had SERIOUS MAJOR maintenance within the past 5 to 10 years (at least 20k to 30k for a simple single spent with a reputable outfit ) is an open cheque book - and this is in addition to 100 hourlys.
Clearly you have been to the same places and written the same cheques as I.
Some would have us believe that 30+ years on the learning curve has come to nought.
Why are that end of the market surprised and outraged when the regulatory requirements are stiffened a little to ensure the old clunker stays airworthy.
