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loook on the bright side. If airbus hadn't turned up Boeing might not have had any competition and you'd still be flying hundred series 727's, 737's or early 707's and throwing up posts like "wow, we just got a digital clock on the flight deck" or "hooray they just gave us a stick so we can tap the gauges better"
NZ is Boeing country because the inhabitants don't get out into the real world too often.
Let us not forget that it was a certain aeroplane company from Seattle back in 1974 who proclaimed a widebody aircraft with only two engines was the most unsafe unreliable form of long distance travel out there. Just after Airbus started pushing the A300. No doubt if you'd asked anyone in little ol' NZ back at the time they would have sworn black and blue Boeing was 100% on the money.
NZ is Boeing country because the inhabitants don't get out into the real world too often.
Let us not forget that it was a certain aeroplane company from Seattle back in 1974 who proclaimed a widebody aircraft with only two engines was the most unsafe unreliable form of long distance travel out there. Just after Airbus started pushing the A300. No doubt if you'd asked anyone in little ol' NZ back at the time they would have sworn black and blue Boeing was 100% on the money.
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Oh, I dunno, have a chat to an Air NZ Engineer about the Euro Trash........
He'll tell you about the extra time required to turn around an airbus compared to a boeing......and the associated problems....
I may be flying a B at the mo but could any day go to an airbus as well. Just to do the time to get back to something decent....
He'll tell you about the extra time required to turn around an airbus compared to a boeing......and the associated problems....
I may be flying a B at the mo but could any day go to an airbus as well. Just to do the time to get back to something decent....
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Unfortunately plas teek not all airlines around the world run on a handout charity basket case basis like Air NZ. They actually have to make money which is why only half the world is flying Boeing any more.
If you're in the airline business and required to turn a profit then you need to operate both types or you end up paying too much. Ask anyone in engineering about 777 parts prices. If you're in the flying game for fun then you can pay Boeing whatever they ask, everything they say you will believe. Are you going to tell me the 'bus stall protection is a bad thing too?
If your engineer is having troule turning the aircraft around maybe you should change engineers, plenty of other 'bus operators don't have the same problem.
If you're in the airline business and required to turn a profit then you need to operate both types or you end up paying too much. Ask anyone in engineering about 777 parts prices. If you're in the flying game for fun then you can pay Boeing whatever they ask, everything they say you will believe. Are you going to tell me the 'bus stall protection is a bad thing too?
If your engineer is having troule turning the aircraft around maybe you should change engineers, plenty of other 'bus operators don't have the same problem.
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Its funny, I work on a regular basis with guys/girls that have flown both Airbus and Boeing and people who have flown only Boeing. The comments usually go something like this...
Pilot who has only ever flown Boeing... Airbus is a piece of crap will do anything to avoid getting on that thing blah blah
The Pilot who has flown the bus.... Great aircraft nice to fly roomy office easy to fly once you get the hang of it.
Im going to reserve my comments untill I have operated both types.
Of course an Eagle pilot would always tell you that a 1900 was the best aircraft anyway.
Pilot who has only ever flown Boeing... Airbus is a piece of crap will do anything to avoid getting on that thing blah blah
The Pilot who has flown the bus.... Great aircraft nice to fly roomy office easy to fly once you get the hang of it.
Im going to reserve my comments untill I have operated both types.
Of course an Eagle pilot would always tell you that a 1900 was the best aircraft anyway.
NZ is (or was) Boeing country because back in the late 60s, common sense prevailed in the BAC111/B737-100 discussion. You wouldn't believe the specious arguments being run up the flagpole at the time - "We have to support the Mother Country etc". My letter to the Herald calling for a decision to be based solely on economic analysis was published in abbreviated form. The truncation ran something like "Your correspondent X's argument - the Mother Country bit - is sadly representative of the sloppy thinking that's prevalent in this country"
Good editing, actually....
PS Can someone maybe post a snap?
Good editing, actually....
PS Can someone maybe post a snap?
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A "snap"? My god, you must be pretty old... 
Don't you sometimes wonder what might have happened if the Brits had built the 1-11/Trident/VC10 with the right number of seats? The whole world might be different now...
Don't you sometimes wonder what might have happened if the Brits had built the 1-11/Trident/VC10 with the right number of seats? The whole world might be different now...
Given that I was contributing to the general political discussion in the late 60s - yessss! But I'll admit to preferring "chronologically gifted"..... And I do use self service check-in to avoid the "Omigod, I wasn't even born when you joined the company". Have yet to encounter "Omigod, my parents weren't even born etc", but I'm sure that's only a matter of time. What's wrong with "snap" anyway? I could say "digital image with a resolution of ..." but that's a sheer waste of keystrokes. And just for the record, I also say "wireless"..
Back to the topic (if there was one...)
Sir Sidney Camm once said "All modern aircraft have four dimensions: span, length, height and politics" Aircraft in those days were designed by committee, populated by either trade unionists or landed gentry, depending on the government of the time. Nevil Shute's "In the wet" covers it (and a whole lot more) v.nicely indeed.
Back to the topic (if there was one...)
Sir Sidney Camm once said "All modern aircraft have four dimensions: span, length, height and politics" Aircraft in those days were designed by committee, populated by either trade unionists or landed gentry, depending on the government of the time. Nevil Shute's "In the wet" covers it (and a whole lot more) v.nicely indeed.
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I flew with a salty Ex BA trident skipper the other day......ya gotta love the ability to apply reverse in flight......12000fpm ROD. Oh and the handlebar yoke
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And just for the record, I also say "wireless"..
There is nothing wrong with "snap"... in fact it intrigues me that a lot of the new digital cameras make a noise that simulates a shutter "snapping"... so much for progress!
Sir Sidney was right, I remember thinking the same sort of thing when looking at the TSR2 at Duxford once...
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Finally arrived at home base in Nelson just before 5pm today.
Here is a pic taken 5 mins after she landed. Sorry about the quality. Was dark, wet and cold. Plus the camera is crap.
Here is a pic taken 5 mins after she landed. Sorry about the quality. Was dark, wet and cold. Plus the camera is crap.
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Indeed. It just looks right to me... typical of the daring, innovative British aircraft design of the period.
Operating specifics aside, the British aircraft always looked so much more elegant than the US aircraft. The VC10, in particular, is just gorgeous. I like the Trident too. The 1-11... well, not bad, but not as pretty as the other two.
I like my 146 too... no surprise that the Americans chose to copy it for the C141 Starlifter...
"TSR2 got the first 3 right"
Operating specifics aside, the British aircraft always looked so much more elegant than the US aircraft. The VC10, in particular, is just gorgeous. I like the Trident too. The 1-11... well, not bad, but not as pretty as the other two.
I like my 146 too... no surprise that the Americans chose to copy it for the C141 Starlifter...
