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I just read about the planned upgrade of Kaitaia to take Nelson's new Dash 8's...
From the Far North District Council website
"The Far North District Council has approved loan funding for the project which will provide for aircraft of up to 15,000kg in weight.
The work is designed to accommodate domestic passenger and charter flights such as the Dash 8 aircraft which Air New Zealand has indicated will be introduced to Northland commuter routes in the future."
From the Bombardier website
"The Q300 (HGW) has a maximum take-off weight of 43,000 pounds (19,505 kg)"
Is it just me, or is there a bit of a problem with the weights!? Are there different versions of the Q300 with different MTOWs?
If so, what are Nelson getting?
Cheers,
Dupre.
From the Far North District Council website
"The Far North District Council has approved loan funding for the project which will provide for aircraft of up to 15,000kg in weight.
The work is designed to accommodate domestic passenger and charter flights such as the Dash 8 aircraft which Air New Zealand has indicated will be introduced to Northland commuter routes in the future."
From the Bombardier website
"The Q300 (HGW) has a maximum take-off weight of 43,000 pounds (19,505 kg)"
Is it just me, or is there a bit of a problem with the weights!? Are there different versions of the Q300 with different MTOWs?
If so, what are Nelson getting?
Cheers,
Dupre.
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since the one 1900 out of there daily is hardly ever full and air nz used to go in there daily with Friendships (which mustve been around the same weight as a q300) something doesnt add up there..
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Just a bit of history about the NZKT aerodrome, some may be interested.
In the mid 70's Air North, based in Rotorua, had a daily run up to NZKO via NZAA, ANZ had a F27 overnighting in NZKT, at one stage ANZ were short of an F27 and Air North contracted to do the KO and KT run with AC680FL's DBQ and DHF. It suited everybody, we got a payload, and ANZ saved some money. However, the local travel agent was missing out on commissions, being a person of some influence in local body government, he managed to remind the Labour Government that Kaitaia had been promised a national air link until such time as a rail link was established. As this rail link was never established, ANZ had to put the F27 back on the run, dont believe they even recovered crew overnight expenses let alone made any money on the run.
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In the mid 70's Air North, based in Rotorua, had a daily run up to NZKO via NZAA, ANZ had a F27 overnighting in NZKT, at one stage ANZ were short of an F27 and Air North contracted to do the KO and KT run with AC680FL's DBQ and DHF. It suited everybody, we got a payload, and ANZ saved some money. However, the local travel agent was missing out on commissions, being a person of some influence in local body government, he managed to remind the Labour Government that Kaitaia had been promised a national air link until such time as a rail link was established. As this rail link was never established, ANZ had to put the F27 back on the run, dont believe they even recovered crew overnight expenses let alone made any money on the run.
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Interesting becos its an old - really old! - Dash 8-100 that belongs to Air National. Tat was once Ansett NZ's that the ft Ozzie managed to coozer under the Air NZ banner.
Okay maybe not so interesting...
As for ZK-NG* Air NZ might be keeping them/re-using them, for the oft rumoured -granted cew-rooms - Boing NG's that may be coming. Seeing as we got lumbered with the Bus's becos of the aforementioned Ozzie.
If we were commited the Froggie prouduct, why wouldn't we have bought some bigger ones and not gone back to Boing?
Also don't Bombardier + Boeing have big $$ tie-ups in US with defence etc.
Okay maybe not so interesting...
As for ZK-NG* Air NZ might be keeping them/re-using them, for the oft rumoured -granted cew-rooms - Boing NG's that may be coming. Seeing as we got lumbered with the Bus's becos of the aforementioned Ozzie.
If we were commited the Froggie prouduct, why wouldn't we have bought some bigger ones and not gone back to Boing?
Also don't Bombardier + Boeing have big $$ tie-ups in US with defence etc.
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No, Dupre that Dash 8-300 weight is correct and even the 15,000kg is shy of the Dash-100s' MTOW (15,650kg BRW).
Yep, Boeing did own the line ZK-NSJ , now it's Bombardier.
Keep the blue up.
Yep, Boeing did own the line ZK-NSJ , now it's Bombardier.
Keep the blue up.
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What the...
Okay so the last posting was lacking somewhat as far as accuracy of spelling goes. That's what co's are for!
More 'words' heard today: Boeing offered Air NZ a BIG deal on Q300, via fellow military contract partner and one time division DeHavilland/Bombardier. It was to 'help' ANZ make the right decision re long haul/medium haul acft.
Story went that once the 'Bus's can be disposed of, 6 or 7 to SJ and the rest flicked off o/seas to airlines screaming out for them - Jetstar?? - Boeing gets a phone call and next thing we're reading a headline about the acquistion of a whole bunch of 737NG's!
Hopefully or the young'uns in the crew will only have the A320 to look forward to!
More 'words' heard today: Boeing offered Air NZ a BIG deal on Q300, via fellow military contract partner and one time division DeHavilland/Bombardier. It was to 'help' ANZ make the right decision re long haul/medium haul acft.
Story went that once the 'Bus's can be disposed of, 6 or 7 to SJ and the rest flicked off o/seas to airlines screaming out for them - Jetstar?? - Boeing gets a phone call and next thing we're reading a headline about the acquistion of a whole bunch of 737NG's!
Hopefully or the young'uns in the crew will only have the A320 to look forward to!
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Hopefully or the young'uns in the crew will only have the A320 to look forward to!
1279 sorry mate but you sound like just another sad little small-minded kiwi. There's nothing wrong with the A320, if you ever travelled overseas you might see quite a few airlines are actually using them. And, if you ever read anything outside of the NZ Herald you would find that there isn't any tieup with Boeing and Bombadier, in fact the Canadian company is looking pretty sick at the moment with another record year of losses.
1279 sorry mate but you sound like just another sad little small-minded kiwi. There's nothing wrong with the A320, if you ever travelled overseas you might see quite a few airlines are actually using them. And, if you ever read anything outside of the NZ Herald you would find that there isn't any tieup with Boeing and Bombadier, in fact the Canadian company is looking pretty sick at the moment with another record year of losses.
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Boeing owned De Havilland in 92..
..selling it after a short time to Bombardier. They also had Shorts, hence the number of C-23 Sherpas in service in US military.
As for small minded, the A320 is one hell of a machine, its just that NZ is a Boeing country!
As for small minded, the A320 is one hell of a machine, its just that NZ is a Boeing country!
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...the last posting was lacking somewhat as far as accuracy of spelling goes. That's what co's are for! ...1279shp ???
What? If that was aimed at my post, which I think it was, I think you better do your research before opening your mouth kid.
The posts following showed you up anyway. By the way if you want some training/endorsement on them, let me know.
What? If that was aimed at my post, which I think it was, I think you better do your research before opening your mouth kid.
The posts following showed you up anyway. By the way if you want some training/endorsement on them, let me know.
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Scarebus booooooooooo!...gimmie my steriod enhanced trusty 757 anyday!!!
so what if the seats arent electric.....so what if the EFIS..is more like black and white rather than colour....
At least I can do .82..and not rattle the thing to bits
Actually the A320 is a nice machine..pitty it doesnt come with a control yoke I say..
I wonder MOR..do you take dandruff with your coffee?...Im sure I fly with a Capt like you
so what if the seats arent electric.....so what if the EFIS..is more like black and white rather than colour....
At least I can do .82..and not rattle the thing to bits
Actually the A320 is a nice machine..pitty it doesnt come with a control yoke I say..
I wonder MOR..do you take dandruff with your coffee?...Im sure I fly with a Capt like you
