Am I getting ripped off?
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Am I getting ripped off?
Can someone tell me if my flying training organisation is ripping me off?
Our course makes us do four hours in a simulator and 2 hours of taxiing a Warrior around the tarmac BEFORE we even get airborne!!! BTW the taxi is charged at the dual rate.
I thought this was the norm, until I spoke to an instructor from another flying school. When I told him he nearly p!ssed his pants laughing. He reckons the sim is a waste of time at my stage in training and the taxxi is just bull sht.
Any thoughts?
Our course makes us do four hours in a simulator and 2 hours of taxiing a Warrior around the tarmac BEFORE we even get airborne!!! BTW the taxi is charged at the dual rate.
I thought this was the norm, until I spoke to an instructor from another flying school. When I told him he nearly p!ssed his pants laughing. He reckons the sim is a waste of time at my stage in training and the taxxi is just bull sht.
Any thoughts?
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When I told him he nearly p!ssed his pants laughing.
I too am pissing my pants with laughter!!
Cheers, HH.
PS: I am not lughing at you, but at the person who came up with this ludicrous idea....
Grandpa Aerotart
Dude...run, do not walk, to the nearest exit.
Please tell me you haven't paid up front and you haven't actually already done the sim and taxiing BS?
Seriously mate...CHANGE SCHOOLS!!!!!
Please tell me you haven't paid up front and you haven't actually already done the sim and taxiing BS?
Seriously mate...CHANGE SCHOOLS!!!!!
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This has got to be a wind-up.
If not HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA
I can give you a good rate on taxi practice on my MS FlightSim. You will have to pay a bit more if you want to use the professional version tho.
If not HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHA
I can give you a good rate on taxi practice on my MS FlightSim. You will have to pay a bit more if you want to use the professional version tho.
I know of schools who have dedicated 30 mintue taxiing lessons but quite frankly how many times do you spend .2 taxiing prior to your first solo with an instructor, and between each solo with an instructor... quite frankly just dont do it mate... absolutle of no benefit and will hurt your flying until you have adapted some visual skills... exactly why flight sim jockies have such trouble adapting to visual flight when you cover up some of the six pack.
As for the Sim time..... good to see this schools focus is on the visual aspect of flying
If they dont send you solo because you ride the brakes a little... welll to be honest anything with a fair size donk in it you need to otherwise you accelerate when taxiing..... its how much you ride them versus power being used which is the problem..... especially in a piston.
What a load.........
It just doesn't surprise me however.... anything for a buck
As for the Sim time..... good to see this schools focus is on the visual aspect of flying
If they dont send you solo because you ride the brakes a little... welll to be honest anything with a fair size donk in it you need to otherwise you accelerate when taxiing..... its how much you ride them versus power being used which is the problem..... especially in a piston.
What a load.........
It just doesn't surprise me however.... anything for a buck
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Every now and then I get a really good belly laugh outa PPRuNe and this has been one.
pastadolla mate I'm sorry and if what you say is not a wind up I apologise most sincerely for laughing AND for the organisation that is masquerading as a flight school.
Now if the flight school was based at Heathrow, O'Hare or maybe Sydney Mascot ?????
pastadolla mate I'm sorry and if what you say is not a wind up I apologise most sincerely for laughing AND for the organisation that is masquerading as a flight school.
Now if the flight school was based at Heathrow, O'Hare or maybe Sydney Mascot ?????
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If only it were a windup...... I heard of this the other week and thought it couldn't be true but alas I was proven wrong.
It's bad enough if the school is implementing this to make a bit of extra cash but even worse if they think it as actually a good idea and beneficial to a students' progress through flying training!
Somehow me thinks that the instructors will end up wondering why their student never looks out the cockpit while "actually" flying and then go back and supervise another one in the Sim!
It's bad enough if the school is implementing this to make a bit of extra cash but even worse if they think it as actually a good idea and beneficial to a students' progress through flying training!
Somehow me thinks that the instructors will end up wondering why their student never looks out the cockpit while "actually" flying and then go back and supervise another one in the Sim!
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No this is not a wind up!!
I would like to change flying schools but the problem is the flying component is part of my degree.
I just wanted to hear what your thoughts are on the matter as i am seriously considering whether or not to continue the course. I haven't done much flying before but i can even see that the taxiing and sim time is not going to help me one iota, just drain me of my money for no real reason...........
Thanks for your replies.
I would like to change flying schools but the problem is the flying component is part of my degree.
I just wanted to hear what your thoughts are on the matter as i am seriously considering whether or not to continue the course. I haven't done much flying before but i can even see that the taxiing and sim time is not going to help me one iota, just drain me of my money for no real reason...........
Thanks for your replies.
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If your flight school is making you do 4 hours in the sim, and 2 hours taxiing before you begin anything else, then they are just trying to fleece more money off you. Welcome to Aviation - they dont care about you, they just want your money.
I would change schools straight away. At least other schools might be a bit more subtle about ripping you off.
I would change schools straight away. At least other schools might be a bit more subtle about ripping you off.
PASTADOLLA
I've been in a similar situation...
I'm not right up with the exact details of YOUR situation, but don't think that because it is a component of a degree programme, you can't tell them to F*** O**. That is the most unbelievable rip-off I have heard of. As others have said, RUN, DON"T WALK!
Tell them you want your $$$ back, or you'll make them pay in ways that cost more. If you need some ideas, send me a PM.
(If this is a wind up, get a life and do something useful with it. If not, disregard this bit at the end!)
CR.
I'm not right up with the exact details of YOUR situation, but don't think that because it is a component of a degree programme, you can't tell them to F*** O**. That is the most unbelievable rip-off I have heard of. As others have said, RUN, DON"T WALK!
Tell them you want your $$$ back, or you'll make them pay in ways that cost more. If you need some ideas, send me a PM.
(If this is a wind up, get a life and do something useful with it. If not, disregard this bit at the end!)
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Short answer - your getting ripped off and there is no doubt to it!
You are not alone - i have heard of this type of going on before.
As the previous posters have mentioned youll only go solo between 10-15hrs by which stage you will have a good hours worth taxiing - without being gods gift to aviation youll be able to taxi fine after just a few lessons. As far as the sim - how much are u paying? In anycase its too much - there is nothing a GA sim is good for apart from procedural IFR flying which you wont need to worry about until after your CPL.
My advice would be to either take your money and run or at least ask for a GOOD explanation from the powers that be.
You are not alone - i have heard of this type of going on before.
As the previous posters have mentioned youll only go solo between 10-15hrs by which stage you will have a good hours worth taxiing - without being gods gift to aviation youll be able to taxi fine after just a few lessons. As far as the sim - how much are u paying? In anycase its too much - there is nothing a GA sim is good for apart from procedural IFR flying which you wont need to worry about until after your CPL.
My advice would be to either take your money and run or at least ask for a GOOD explanation from the powers that be.
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Mate,
I'd ask for a refund.............. seriously. Tell them if they don't refund your money for this BS, you'll tell the other students what a bunch of crooks they are. Then change school because if they have started ripping you off even before you leave the ground, I can't just imagine what other stupid schemes to get your money they have in their bag of tricks. You'll be broke before you even finish your PPL.
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I'd ask for a refund.............. seriously. Tell them if they don't refund your money for this BS, you'll tell the other students what a bunch of crooks they are. Then change school because if they have started ripping you off even before you leave the ground, I can't just imagine what other stupid schemes to get your money they have in their bag of tricks. You'll be broke before you even finish your PPL.
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Looks like nothing has changed even with the new "Academy" title.
Just do as most other people do after they work out how they are getting shafted, walk! Tell JO you want your money back and don't give up until you get it all back!
Don't believe anything they say about not passing the degree if you don't fly there it’s the only way they keep there students!
Go visit the shop over the road of even better forskin aviation they'll look after you and train you to a real world standard not into a clone.
OCTA
Just do as most other people do after they work out how they are getting shafted, walk! Tell JO you want your money back and don't give up until you get it all back!
Don't believe anything they say about not passing the degree if you don't fly there it’s the only way they keep there students!
Go visit the shop over the road of even better forskin aviation they'll look after you and train you to a real world standard not into a clone.
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What a rip off!
get a refund or change schools fast, or at the very least get an avaition lawyer (who is a pilot) to look at the situation.
Sounds like a very strange training scheme to me.Good luck!
get a refund or change schools fast, or at the very least get an avaition lawyer (who is a pilot) to look at the situation.
Sounds like a very strange training scheme to me.Good luck!
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Pastadolla
I think it's been established that these people aren't doing the right thing by you.The question that now needs to be asked is how will your attitude towards this organisation affect your training.
Most people get ticked off when they find out that the garage down the road has fuel 2 cents a litre cheaper than the one they just filled up at.
How will you feel at the end of your training knowing your 1000's out of pocket? I think the resentment from this episode will be in the back of you mind every time you hop into one of their aircraft.
MOVE ON
I think it's been established that these people aren't doing the right thing by you.The question that now needs to be asked is how will your attitude towards this organisation affect your training.
Most people get ticked off when they find out that the garage down the road has fuel 2 cents a litre cheaper than the one they just filled up at.
How will you feel at the end of your training knowing your 1000's out of pocket? I think the resentment from this episode will be in the back of you mind every time you hop into one of their aircraft.
MOVE ON