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ive done about 250 hrs in tigers out of the ****tiest airstrip u can imagine ,550m long with 70 ft gum trees at one end and a road at the other(and no i'm not saying i'm good!) with tail skids and no brakes.i find it hard to believe at all that those imbeciles at tiger moth world(think you'd be half decent in one with a name like that!) can crash two aircraft on a more than adequate strip,then have the hide to try and put down other people by video taping them.i always thought of the tiger as idiot proof,the ******** i used to work for never killed himself in one and if anyone could it was him!in fact it probably is idiot proof, but that doesn't seem to stop idiots from owning, F#$#ing and trying to fly them.funnily enough they are usually rich idiots too!
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Gday jb05
Their not that rich in inteligence thats for sure it's been proven many times in the past with stuff up after stuff up and still they hold an AOC. As far as the allegations against the opposition it appears it was sour grapes and bullsh1t and a waste of CASA's time. We await further developments with interest.
Cheers Q
Their not that rich in inteligence thats for sure it's been proven many times in the past with stuff up after stuff up and still they hold an AOC. As far as the allegations against the opposition it appears it was sour grapes and bullsh1t and a waste of CASA's time. We await further developments with interest.
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jb05 - couldn't agree more with you! I have 50 plus hours on Tigers.
An INCREDIBLY easy aeroplane to fly BADLY (as most people do!), but a LOVELY aeroplane to fly PROPERLY, once you learn. It only takes one bite from a Tiger for you to respect her (my respect was learnt doing a stall turn, bodgied it, spun out, INVERTED - man, that's an awful bloody feeling hanging in your straps inverted!)
Never flew a Tiger with brakes - all were original spec with skids (more like plows if you ask the airport groundsman that HATED us!).
Someone once told me a Tiger is very hard flying a crosswind landing - BOLLOCKS! Plenty of rudder authority, and as easy as pi to stick it, and keep it stuck!
It'd do a LOT of pilots the world of good to go out and fly something stick and rudder, seat of the pants. That seat of the pants flying seems to be rapidly disappearing.
The Tiger took me from a reasonably good pilot to a BLOODY GOOD pilot, and that isn't just my ego speaking!
(I did all my Tiger flying prior to my commercial licence training)
An INCREDIBLY easy aeroplane to fly BADLY (as most people do!), but a LOVELY aeroplane to fly PROPERLY, once you learn. It only takes one bite from a Tiger for you to respect her (my respect was learnt doing a stall turn, bodgied it, spun out, INVERTED - man, that's an awful bloody feeling hanging in your straps inverted!)
Never flew a Tiger with brakes - all were original spec with skids (more like plows if you ask the airport groundsman that HATED us!).
Someone once told me a Tiger is very hard flying a crosswind landing - BOLLOCKS! Plenty of rudder authority, and as easy as pi to stick it, and keep it stuck!
It'd do a LOT of pilots the world of good to go out and fly something stick and rudder, seat of the pants. That seat of the pants flying seems to be rapidly disappearing.
The Tiger took me from a reasonably good pilot to a BLOODY GOOD pilot, and that isn't just my ego speaking!
(I did all my Tiger flying prior to my commercial licence training)
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We see the same sort of petty backstabbing with the drop zones in my local area with each one trying to report the other for dropping through cloud and all it does is create a ****ty atmosphere for everyone to work in,especially when u get both drop zone operators calling u up to whinge about the other and ask u to fly for them on the same weekend,u can't win either way u still get called names by both of them!In actual fact all dropzones push the weather boundries a bit in the name of the almighty dollar as do all other operators.so its a bit of a case of the pot calling the kettle black.i recall flying some passengers on a particular day in queensland (tigers)and the boss was adament the flight had to go ahead despite the 20 knot wind and turbulence from trees lining the strip.the real fun came though when we got back overhead in formation and it was time to land,he was very generous and suggested i go first! what a nice bloke.but then why have a dog and test the water yourself?
susu,
not a bad acheivement,i\'ve tried to spin the tiger inverted and couldn\'t get it going but we put down to a forward cg duy to my portly friend and fellow aerobatic pilot in the front(just so u know i wasn\'t trying this with some poor passenger on board with no idea!)the pitts goes in easy though and they are fun once u get used to them and have had the correct instruction dual while doing your first few.your right about the crosswind in the tiger too, as you can see in the above reply i agree it can take quite a bit although that was of course not 90 degrees to the strip!.don\'t know how much tiger flying u boys (or girls)all do but a handy cooking tip for inverted- if planing to try gliding inverted reduce power to idle as u roll,this keeps the engine ticking over instead of using up the fuel in the lines so quickly once u get any negative g on,same applies if your half way through a stall turn or any other manouvre, if she starts to get negative and cough bring it back and she\'ll stay going for longer.its this sort of querk that makes flying clean aerobatics in a tiger fun though isn\'t it.
susu,
not a bad acheivement,i\'ve tried to spin the tiger inverted and couldn\'t get it going but we put down to a forward cg duy to my portly friend and fellow aerobatic pilot in the front(just so u know i wasn\'t trying this with some poor passenger on board with no idea!)the pitts goes in easy though and they are fun once u get used to them and have had the correct instruction dual while doing your first few.your right about the crosswind in the tiger too, as you can see in the above reply i agree it can take quite a bit although that was of course not 90 degrees to the strip!.don\'t know how much tiger flying u boys (or girls)all do but a handy cooking tip for inverted- if planing to try gliding inverted reduce power to idle as u roll,this keeps the engine ticking over instead of using up the fuel in the lines so quickly once u get any negative g on,same applies if your half way through a stall turn or any other manouvre, if she starts to get negative and cough bring it back and she\'ll stay going for longer.its this sort of querk that makes flying clean aerobatics in a tiger fun though isn\'t it.
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Ah, I wouldn't go out of my way trying to make a Tiger spin inverted again... it's pucker factor flying!
I have landed ACROSS a strip in a particularly strong wind THAT was funny!
I always enjoyed letting a newbie on the Tiger to do a loop - 99.999% of them always ended up flying a corkscrew, as they always, without fail, forgot what their feet were doing in regards to power on / power off! (it is a BEAUTIFUL aeroplane to loop - more often than not I would always get my own wake at the bottom after coming around!)
Barrel roll left was easy. Barrel roll RIGHT is another matter. SLOW ROLLS are an artform in the Tiger either direction!!!!!!!!! Ya gotta be pretty good!!! Stall turns are easy enough to bodge consideering how fast the airspeed drops off (we used to do them at around 60 degrees nose up as opposed to vertical, just for a bit of margin) Tail slides are the realm of REALLY bodgied accident, cause you don't want to do one on purpose!!!
Fun flying, that is for sure. And that's what flying is suppose to be too!
I have landed ACROSS a strip in a particularly strong wind
THAT was funny!I always enjoyed letting a newbie on the Tiger to do a loop - 99.999% of them always ended up flying a corkscrew, as they always, without fail, forgot what their feet were doing in regards to power on / power off! (it is a BEAUTIFUL aeroplane to loop - more often than not I would always get my own wake at the bottom after coming around!)
Barrel roll left was easy. Barrel roll RIGHT is another matter. SLOW ROLLS are an artform in the Tiger either direction!!!!!!!!! Ya gotta be pretty good!!! Stall turns are easy enough to bodge consideering how fast the airspeed drops off (we used to do them at around 60 degrees nose up as opposed to vertical, just for a bit of margin) Tail slides are the realm of REALLY bodgied accident, cause you don't want to do one on purpose!!!
Fun flying, that is for sure. And that's what flying is suppose to be too!
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barrell rolls to the right are just a matter of practice and patience but they are a good feeling when u get them right and in balance ,slow rolls i always do to the left and this is where bringing the throttle back helps and knowing the engine won't stop allows u to concentrate on the job at hand,stall turns i always do to the right,seen some people try them to the left and they just don't work cause your going against the torque.i always try to get them vertical on the way in and out and have found 80 kts to be the minimum for these although more speed on entry gives u longer to play around and find the vertical,if its any help make sure the wing tip looks vertical not the fuselage as this is what counts here,believe it or not a stall turn entered from vertical is easier!sounds like u know your stuff though,good to here from someone who appreciates how much fun the tiger is to aerobat and how hard it can be to make it look good
Thanks for raising the subject of aerobatics. Its been ages since I've done aerobatics in a Tiger. Must do it soon however these days I'd never fly inverted in an open cockpit aeroplane with just one set of straps and no chute.
As for crosswinds - 10 kts from the right is my personal limit. A bit higher to the left. My knee gets in the way with the slat lock on the right.
On occasions when I've done slow rolls, my passengers (also Tiger pilots) have been impressed as they couldn't do them. My theory was that under negative G they moved up and unable (or thought they had stick full forward) to reach enough forward stick inverted.
As for crosswinds - 10 kts from the right is my personal limit. A bit higher to the left. My knee gets in the way with the slat lock on the right.
On occasions when I've done slow rolls, my passengers (also Tiger pilots) have been impressed as they couldn't do them. My theory was that under negative G they moved up and unable (or thought they had stick full forward) to reach enough forward stick inverted.
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Yep, a slow roll in a Tiger is a true artform - most people just can't do it, including some VERY experienced aerobatic pilots I know and have flown with.
I think it more the complexities of coordination that stops a lot of people properly executing a slow roll in a Tiger - it does take a lot of fore-thought before trying ytour first one, as the movements seems very exaggerated compared to other aircraft. You have to be pretty quick to check forward inverted, and with judged input, as otherwise it will go tits up ASAP, and then get messy and flop.
Never use the slats, except in training. They CAN make a three pointer nicer, but if you do your part, there is no real need.
I think it more the complexities of coordination that stops a lot of people properly executing a slow roll in a Tiger - it does take a lot of fore-thought before trying ytour first one, as the movements seems very exaggerated compared to other aircraft. You have to be pretty quick to check forward inverted, and with judged input, as otherwise it will go tits up ASAP, and then get messy and flop.
Never use the slats, except in training. They CAN make a three pointer nicer, but if you do your part, there is no real need.
