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Old 16th May 2005, 01:35
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Some posts not entirely correct

If you hit a cow in your car and you can identify who owned the cow, then the claim goes to the owner of the cow! If a farmer did not take reasonable steps to keep his animals out of harms way, then he would be liable for the damage and the insurance companies would persue him for retribution. Simple fact.
If Cooma Council DID NOT take REASONABLE STEPS to make sure animals could not invade the airport, then they would be liable in this instance. Let's put aside what Mr Packer is worth; the fact is he enjoys the same right as everybody else. Simple fact.
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Old 16th May 2005, 02:01
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THREEGREENS,

A runway is not a gazetted road, kangaroos are wild, you could not prove ownership.

Again as you hinted, I would also leave it up to the insurance people.

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Old 16th May 2005, 02:25
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What if the Roo was a pet?
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Some Cute points of Law as I understand them

If you hit a dog and the owner can be identified, the owner is at fault for failing to keep the animal under control.

If you hit a cow anywhere but Queensland, ditto, BUT in Qld cattle have the right of way and if you hit one not only do you get to fix your car yourself but you get 500Kg of beef too at whatever price the cocky says its worth.

All wild/feral animals the bets are off as no one is able to proved as owner.

Keeping an airstrip free of self relocating hazards???

LOTS OF LUCK!!
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What happens if you hit a sheep in Kiwi...?

 
Old 16th May 2005, 07:41
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As for straying animals on a highway:


[20-550] Rule in Searle v Wallbank In all States and Territories except the Northern Territory and Queensland, the common law principle known as the rule in Searle v Wallbank has been abolished. The rule provided that there was no general obligation on the part of an owner or occupier of land adjoining a highway to fence the land to keep that person’s domestic animals, not known to be dangerous, off the highway. Accordingly, if an animal escapes onto a highway and injures a person lawfully using the highway, the owner or occupier of the adjacent land is liable only if:





(1) knowledge can be shown that the animal possessed a vicious or mischievous propensity; or





(2) possibly, where there are other special circumstances which take the case out of the ordinary rule and are known to the owner; or





(3) possibly, where the animals escape in such numbers so as to cause an obstruction. In Queensland, the rule has been held to be inappropriate to an Association which ran an agriculture show.
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Old 16th May 2005, 07:50
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In 200+ years farmers haven't been able to keep roos out of their paddocs, why should aerodrome operators be any more successful?
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Old 16th May 2005, 08:16
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This would open up a legal flood gate, if he won.If every driver that hit a roo could sue the governing municipality then surely our rates would increase to pay the debt. I say kill them all
....................... laywers that is.
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Old 16th May 2005, 13:08
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guys, guys, guys,

We all know that it's not possible for anything to gain access to a runway these days without asic cards/ backround checks, metal detectors and the ocasional strip search....for our own safety.

Clearly this was the act of a terrorist "cell" posing as roo suit wearing baggage handlers intent on attacking our media.

Snowy river shire council...we salute you.
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Old 16th May 2005, 21:09
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If you hit a sheep in NZ you put it on the back of your ute before anyone comes.Then you go home and put it in your freezer!
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Old 16th May 2005, 21:42
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I only put her in the freezer when its hot outside!
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Old 16th May 2005, 22:30
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Tin once hit and killed an emu on roll out.
My kiwi cuzzy bro pondered this when I told him and said
"Cuz I never knew them emus flew that high"
 
Old 17th May 2005, 05:17
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Who believes a word that is written in the Telecrap anyway?

Having talked to the Cooma aerodrome caretaker, the facts were:
Flight was notified
Radio calls made
Runway was inspected prior to landing
Roo hid until the last moment, then committed suicide against the wing
Insurance paid out
Insurer now looking to recoup their cost.

It is the insurer going for the council, not the owner.

The airport would love to remove the excess roos from the area. All but one of the adjoining farm owners cull the roos and maintain their boundaries. The real rogue is the tree-hugging dill who refuses to cull, so where do you reckon the roos go to avoid being shot? Who should be sued for allowing a hazard to shelter in his paddocks?

SWH, you say in several posts that a pilot should be so careful that he would never hit anything. Then you say "If I happened to hit a roo..." So you admit that even YOU could hit one?
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Old 17th May 2005, 05:46
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Why not fit a nice big steel roo bar to outback aircraft? Works on my Landcrusher
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Old 17th May 2005, 05:48
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Just the thing you need in Melbourne! Lemme guess 90 in the right lane is OK as well?

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Old 17th May 2005, 21:48
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I think fitting roo bars to outback aircraft is a great idea.I fitted some to a R22 once but rolled it up on take-off, due to c of g problems!
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Old 17th May 2005, 23:47
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Crikey, he only hit a roo.

Try Warburton where there are a couple of horses that graze along the side of the runway. They are so used to the aircraft coming and going they just about hold up score cards.

And if horses are not enough, not too far away there is Blackstone where the camels will wander out of the scrub just as you are on short final and then bolt for the other side.
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90 in the right lane??? Nup 85, wouldn't want to overdo it!

Actually the cruiser goes outback at least once or twice a year and into the bush every second weekend. I learned the hard way about not having a B-Bar
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Old 18th May 2005, 01:00
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Nothing quite gets your attention so much as a herd of camels appearing in the headlights at 110kph on the Great Eastern Highway outside of Coolgardie.

Lets just say whilst it may not be possible for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle it is possible to drive underneath one in a Cruiser driven by a rich man given no other alternatives.
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Old 18th May 2005, 01:47
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I originally didn't think I needed a bullbar and made the mistake of saying this in the Innamincka pub.

Three days later I was back there drowning my sorrows after having a run in with a one wire outback gate (the rag had blown off it and I didn't see it till too late.) Friendly barman enquires "still think you don't need a bar?"
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