OzJet pilot recruitment
(Then again, FO sometimes stands for F-ing Ordinary as well!)
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Hi Boys,
I got a letter from them yesterday applogising for delay and saying inundated with applications. Those selected for the 'panel interview in june' will be advised in a couple of weeks. For your info I am current on one of their types so that may make a difference
I got a letter from them yesterday applogising for delay and saying inundated with applications. Those selected for the 'panel interview in june' will be advised in a couple of weeks. For your info I am current on one of their types so that may make a difference
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Great to hear Chaos but unfortunately the airline itself appears to take after your title.
I hope it does get in the air but from what I hear the team with the dream aren't exactly up to the task.
I'd be more worried about the AOC, than which aircraft they will fly at this stage.
I hope it does get in the air but from what I hear the team with the dream aren't exactly up to the task.
I'd be more worried about the AOC, than which aircraft they will fly at this stage.
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Please elaborate Mr Enforcer? Why not share with us all what you 'heard'!
With a name like 'The Enforcer', you wouldnt happen to work for CASA by any chance would you?
After reading a couple of articles in the latest Aircraft and Aerospace magazine, my major concern is for CASA and their bag of tricks and its repercussions towards the state of aviation in Australia.
It is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having said that, there are many successful operators of 737-2 and 146 to this day, if aircraft are kept shmick, and I bet OzJets are, goodluck to OzJet. Good to see some new players amongst our shores no matter what their strategy.
With a name like 'The Enforcer', you wouldnt happen to work for CASA by any chance would you?
After reading a couple of articles in the latest Aircraft and Aerospace magazine, my major concern is for CASA and their bag of tricks and its repercussions towards the state of aviation in Australia.
It is pathetic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having said that, there are many successful operators of 737-2 and 146 to this day, if aircraft are kept shmick, and I bet OzJets are, goodluck to OzJet. Good to see some new players amongst our shores no matter what their strategy.
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Yes, care to explain.
I believe a number of experienced jet drivers have applied to OzJet, including some currently flying OS. I think they would want to know more as to why you don't think they will get an AOC.
I believe a number of experienced jet drivers have applied to OzJet, including some currently flying OS. I think they would want to know more as to why you don't think they will get an AOC.
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PDCS ? FMC ?, Auto throttle ? R Nav ?.............. oh you are talking about Microsoft flight simulator....... 
I dont even have a wx radar that works......... I fly a contraption that was born in 1979.
D6
I dont even have a wx radar that works......... I fly a contraption that was born in 1979.
D6
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I have several concerns about this model. I am surprised by the reaction my short posting made several weeks back.
I am in LAX waiting to go through Chicago in my "regional" jet (?), so I'll be brief and promise to be more expansive at another time.
1. The 732 is an old frame, with old engines and has seen it's day. Southwest has taken all of their's off line, even on the "Texas two-step" where they kept a large assortment of spares and line mechanics to keep them running.
2. Fuel. Fuel cost and fuel burn.
3. Frequent Flyer program. With whom? Where to? Do you think that QF, JQ and DJ don't have those markets cornered? Who's going to do your international feed? Business travellers, in a global economy need international connections, seamless travel?
4. Old product with premium pricing? An oxymoron.
5. Predatory pricing.
6. Paying higher prices to be treated better? I can't see the Aussie battler mentality buying in on that.
7. Scales of economy: Fuel prices, staffing, covering sick time, training events are all going to be more expensive.
8. Management: From where? Are they going to leave an existing carrier with a proven track record to go work at a start-up?
9. History: Ansett, Compass and even Impulse.
10. Perception: Old aircraft don't wear out...try telling that to the Aloha crew that had that 73' turn into a convertible.
I am in LAX waiting to go through Chicago in my "regional" jet (?), so I'll be brief and promise to be more expansive at another time.
1. The 732 is an old frame, with old engines and has seen it's day. Southwest has taken all of their's off line, even on the "Texas two-step" where they kept a large assortment of spares and line mechanics to keep them running.
2. Fuel. Fuel cost and fuel burn.
3. Frequent Flyer program. With whom? Where to? Do you think that QF, JQ and DJ don't have those markets cornered? Who's going to do your international feed? Business travellers, in a global economy need international connections, seamless travel?
4. Old product with premium pricing? An oxymoron.
5. Predatory pricing.
6. Paying higher prices to be treated better? I can't see the Aussie battler mentality buying in on that.
7. Scales of economy: Fuel prices, staffing, covering sick time, training events are all going to be more expensive.
8. Management: From where? Are they going to leave an existing carrier with a proven track record to go work at a start-up?
9. History: Ansett, Compass and even Impulse.
10. Perception: Old aircraft don't wear out...try telling that to the Aloha crew that had that 73' turn into a convertible.
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Some good points Chris.
Many would have been/are being tackled right now and answers released in due course no doubt... as things wouldn't get to this point of start up, without having those questions answered.
Worth another look and research into Paul Stoddards' aviation background (maintenance/engineering assets) possibly, Chris?
Good luck to them, Australia needs an alternative.
Many would have been/are being tackled right now and answers released in due course no doubt... as things wouldn't get to this point of start up, without having those questions answered.
Worth another look and research into Paul Stoddards' aviation background (maintenance/engineering assets) possibly, Chris?
Good luck to them, Australia needs an alternative.
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Chock's Away,
I know that Mr Stoddard has produced excellent results with individual prowess, but somehow, I think the odds are not stacked favourably in any new start-up using this as a model.
In our work at Netjets, we are often called upon to assist in sales demonstrations with high profile clients. Confidentiality clauses do not allow me to disclose individual particulars, but there is an enormous amount of commonality.
1. Age of aircraft.
Some insurance policies now are dictating the very age of airframes for their VIP company personnel.
2. Average pilot experience.
Our most recent intake of new hires had an average experience of 8,000 hours. Our background checks extended back to age 18, and included national driving, FBI, searches of local courts and credit checks.
3. Training Cycles.
By going to a third party (Flight Safety) and maintaining independent audits outside of those offered by the FAA, the operation has grown to allow over 500 aircraft, or more than one third of the world's business jet to be listed on its certificate.
For VIP travel, the clientele are very smart and extremely discerning.
The point I'm making is this:
1. You can be a brilliant entrepreneur with high personal standards, but the equation has to stand up to those that don't know you.
2. You have to offer something that has not been tried before, or better than it has ever been done before.
3. The product has to look, smell and feel new.
4. You have to separate yourself from the masses, so as to be considered as offering something of real worth.
Jetstar actually did this by alowing a new brand name, in a new airframe between some differing city pairs with some controversial, but again, new ways of doing business. Jetstar will be successful because it has established a brand identity that is separate from others.
Ozjet is well advised to establish it's own identity and do so with an established business class clientele, but the description of it's equipment does not lend itself well to this model.
I have a 737-200 type rating on my Australian ATPL, but I wouldn't advise them to use this aircraft type for this kind of operation. Freight perhaps, but there are noise issues there too.
I think that a fresh airframe from Brazil with low operating costs would be ten times better, particuarly in times of $50 plus a barrel of crude.
Th next big issue is the "go it alone" mentality of many of these start-ups. Sure they might find a niche, but restricted market. Where's the opportunity for growth and the ability to retain customers who want a vast array of networking services, such as airport lounges, frequent flier programs, hotel points, baggage transfer services, international check-ins etc?
I know that Mr Stoddard has produced excellent results with individual prowess, but somehow, I think the odds are not stacked favourably in any new start-up using this as a model.
In our work at Netjets, we are often called upon to assist in sales demonstrations with high profile clients. Confidentiality clauses do not allow me to disclose individual particulars, but there is an enormous amount of commonality.
1. Age of aircraft.
Some insurance policies now are dictating the very age of airframes for their VIP company personnel.
2. Average pilot experience.
Our most recent intake of new hires had an average experience of 8,000 hours. Our background checks extended back to age 18, and included national driving, FBI, searches of local courts and credit checks.
3. Training Cycles.
By going to a third party (Flight Safety) and maintaining independent audits outside of those offered by the FAA, the operation has grown to allow over 500 aircraft, or more than one third of the world's business jet to be listed on its certificate.
For VIP travel, the clientele are very smart and extremely discerning.
The point I'm making is this:
1. You can be a brilliant entrepreneur with high personal standards, but the equation has to stand up to those that don't know you.
2. You have to offer something that has not been tried before, or better than it has ever been done before.
3. The product has to look, smell and feel new.
4. You have to separate yourself from the masses, so as to be considered as offering something of real worth.
Jetstar actually did this by alowing a new brand name, in a new airframe between some differing city pairs with some controversial, but again, new ways of doing business. Jetstar will be successful because it has established a brand identity that is separate from others.
Ozjet is well advised to establish it's own identity and do so with an established business class clientele, but the description of it's equipment does not lend itself well to this model.
I have a 737-200 type rating on my Australian ATPL, but I wouldn't advise them to use this aircraft type for this kind of operation. Freight perhaps, but there are noise issues there too.
I think that a fresh airframe from Brazil with low operating costs would be ten times better, particuarly in times of $50 plus a barrel of crude.
Th next big issue is the "go it alone" mentality of many of these start-ups. Sure they might find a niche, but restricted market. Where's the opportunity for growth and the ability to retain customers who want a vast array of networking services, such as airport lounges, frequent flier programs, hotel points, baggage transfer services, international check-ins etc?
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Yeh, I totally agree, with your last point especially.
The smart money IS on a feeder network (either Regional or International) for Ozjet.
It was Stoddards' huge Aviation Engineering/Spare parts company I was eluding to...able to back such airframes.
In Australia a backlash/hatred of the QF product (lack thereof and aka JQ substituted flights) has been sensed by the business end, as evidenced on other threads. There's no doubt about the abundance of low airfares though, which keeps the lower demographic happy.
Many forget, it is a service industry so the publics wants/needs should be served, not dictating what they GET, as Dixon does.
The consumer needs a choice and in Aust. they currently don't have it.
Only problem being population size here, compaired with your market Chris.
Time will tell but I wish them the best of success.
The smart money IS on a feeder network (either Regional or International) for Ozjet.
It was Stoddards' huge Aviation Engineering/Spare parts company I was eluding to...able to back such airframes.
In Australia a backlash/hatred of the QF product (lack thereof and aka JQ substituted flights) has been sensed by the business end, as evidenced on other threads. There's no doubt about the abundance of low airfares though, which keeps the lower demographic happy.
Many forget, it is a service industry so the publics wants/needs should be served, not dictating what they GET, as Dixon does.
The consumer needs a choice and in Aust. they currently don't have it.
Only problem being population size here, compaired with your market Chris.
Time will tell but I wish them the best of success.
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Chocks Away,
Indeed sparse population provides a problem. I would like to think it is "our" problem. My kids all have Australian Passports and I still help with a family farm in Wauchope, near Port Macquarie.
Indeed sparse population provides a problem. I would like to think it is "our" problem. My kids all have Australian Passports and I still help with a family farm in Wauchope, near Port Macquarie.
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ON another thread, there has been discussion about a former Impulse founder and I haven't met him, so I stayed off the thread.
The one thing to point out about this is that there is an opportunity to feed QF domestic services from Lord Howe, to Port Macquarie, Coffs and Newcastle, and perhaps even Tamworth.
Again, I say, you have to work in conjunction with the established network, have a specialty and stick to a low cost of operation. In addition, if you are not leasing, you have to have aircraft worth something to offer as collateral for expansion when they are being paid down.
The one thing to point out about this is that there is an opportunity to feed QF domestic services from Lord Howe, to Port Macquarie, Coffs and Newcastle, and perhaps even Tamworth.
Again, I say, you have to work in conjunction with the established network, have a specialty and stick to a low cost of operation. In addition, if you are not leasing, you have to have aircraft worth something to offer as collateral for expansion when they are being paid down.
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Isn't it amazing to think that out of 2000 or so applications, if they only need 100 pilots at the very most, you only have a 5% chance to get in at the very most!
Good luck to those that apply!
Bo!
Good luck to those that apply!
Bo!