ANZAC day.
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cjam bomber command tragic as it was, was a walk in the park compared to Gallipoli.
You can't go to any town in Australia or NZ without there being a prominent memorial to them, they defined Australia forever.
God Bless em.
You can't go to any town in Australia or NZ without there being a prominent memorial to them, they defined Australia forever.
God Bless em.
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"The British had contributed 468,000 in the battle for Gallipoli with 33.512 killed. 7,636 missing and 78,000 wounded.
The Anzacs lost 8,000 men in Gallipoli and a further 18,000 were wounded. The Anzacs went on to serve with distinction in Palestine and on the western front in France.
Australia had a population of five million - 330,000 served in the war, 59,000 were killed.
New Zealand with a population of one million lost 18,000 men out of 110,000 and had 55000 wounded. These New Zealand figures (62%) represent the highest percentage of all units from the Anglo-Saxon world."
And from the Australian War Memorial.........
"The whole Gallipoli operation, however, cost 26,111 Australian casualties, including 8,141 deaths. Despite this, it has been said that Gallipoli had no influence on the course of the war."
The Anzacs lost 8,000 men in Gallipoli and a further 18,000 were wounded. The Anzacs went on to serve with distinction in Palestine and on the western front in France.
Australia had a population of five million - 330,000 served in the war, 59,000 were killed.
New Zealand with a population of one million lost 18,000 men out of 110,000 and had 55000 wounded. These New Zealand figures (62%) represent the highest percentage of all units from the Anglo-Saxon world."
And from the Australian War Memorial.........
"The whole Gallipoli operation, however, cost 26,111 Australian casualties, including 8,141 deaths. Despite this, it has been said that Gallipoli had no influence on the course of the war."
"Anzac Brave in an Anzac Grave".
Stumbled on this headstone amongst hundreds of other ANZAC's between the Nek & Baby 700. The most poignant fact about paying your respects at Commonwealth War Graves is the fact that in places like Gallipoli, you will rarely note a headstone with a digger older than 30.
" A good army of 50,000- and sea power. That is the end of the Turkish menace"-
First Lord Of The British Admiralty. September 1914.
Stumbled on this headstone amongst hundreds of other ANZAC's between the Nek & Baby 700. The most poignant fact about paying your respects at Commonwealth War Graves is the fact that in places like Gallipoli, you will rarely note a headstone with a digger older than 30.
" A good army of 50,000- and sea power. That is the end of the Turkish menace"-
First Lord Of The British Admiralty. September 1914.
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ANZAC day is about remembering mates and fallen comrades and to acknowledge the sacrifices they made for us. nothing more.
who started what and why is Irrelevent.
lest we forget.
who started what and why is Irrelevent.
lest we forget.
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Why was Turkey in the War?
As I am given to understand it a dud decision made by Churchill at the time was the root cause.
The Germans, Russians and British were all wooing Turkey as an ally for the absolutely pivotal strategic position they held in the area.
Turkey is trying to stay neutral they already have a row to hoe in the rebuilding of their own country without a war.
Britain was at the time building 2 warships for Turkey with money the Turks raised by public subscription to rebuild their Navy. Mum and Dad Turks nest eggs given up for the rebuilding of Turkeys prestige and status in the area.
Hounds of war start baying, Churchill then 41 and First Sea Lord, confiscates their 2 cruisers for the British war effort.
Turks, not surprisingly, outraged at the theft of the pride of their fleet.
The Germans send two of their ships in lieu, now we have a war with the Turks and must take the peninsula. The rest is history including the rank incompetence of the British Command.
Is this "big picture" strategy?? we'll never know, but it did have the effect driving Australia to self sufficiency and the birth of Australia as a nation in its own right rather than a fief or Dominion of the British.
Maybe it was worth the price. The scales fell off our eyes big time.
Maybe Gallipoli was our own War of Independance.??
Whatever it was, the price was way too high.
I find it hard to drive through any country town in OZ without reflecting on the loss of the flower of the youth of this country.
In more ways than most can imagine the loss irrevocably changed the face of Australia.
As I am given to understand it a dud decision made by Churchill at the time was the root cause.
The Germans, Russians and British were all wooing Turkey as an ally for the absolutely pivotal strategic position they held in the area.
Turkey is trying to stay neutral they already have a row to hoe in the rebuilding of their own country without a war.
Britain was at the time building 2 warships for Turkey with money the Turks raised by public subscription to rebuild their Navy. Mum and Dad Turks nest eggs given up for the rebuilding of Turkeys prestige and status in the area.
Hounds of war start baying, Churchill then 41 and First Sea Lord, confiscates their 2 cruisers for the British war effort.
Turks, not surprisingly, outraged at the theft of the pride of their fleet.
The Germans send two of their ships in lieu, now we have a war with the Turks and must take the peninsula. The rest is history including the rank incompetence of the British Command.
Is this "big picture" strategy?? we'll never know, but it did have the effect driving Australia to self sufficiency and the birth of Australia as a nation in its own right rather than a fief or Dominion of the British.
Maybe it was worth the price. The scales fell off our eyes big time.
Maybe Gallipoli was our own War of Independance.??
Whatever it was, the price was way too high.
I find it hard to drive through any country town in OZ without reflecting on the loss of the flower of the youth of this country.
In more ways than most can imagine the loss irrevocably changed the face of Australia.
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Hi,
The idea of taking the peninsula was not new... and landing at Gaba Tepe was already considered as early as 1906 (if not earlier). Have a look at the map at www.ipas.com.au (and go to the "interesting stuff" page and military history to see the idiot's guide to Gallipoli and the origin of the name ANZAC) On the map created in 1906 you'll see the anotation just south of Gaba Tepe: "possible landing place"
Gallipoli (or Gelibolu as the Turks call it) was already slated as a killing ground. Australia and New Zealand (and the Brits and French to the south) were to supply the cannon fodder.
Long live Australia!
The idea of taking the peninsula was not new... and landing at Gaba Tepe was already considered as early as 1906 (if not earlier). Have a look at the map at www.ipas.com.au (and go to the "interesting stuff" page and military history to see the idiot's guide to Gallipoli and the origin of the name ANZAC) On the map created in 1906 you'll see the anotation just south of Gaba Tepe: "possible landing place"
Gallipoli (or Gelibolu as the Turks call it) was already slated as a killing ground. Australia and New Zealand (and the Brits and French to the south) were to supply the cannon fodder.
Long live Australia!
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even so, seeing Lone Pine in the flesh many years ago, sill remains one of the most emotional days of my life..
after going to the march today, its amazing to see the ever increasing number of younger children out there, even at the dawn service in martin Place.
its good to see that even after we have moved on, the Diggers will still be remembered.
after going to the march today, its amazing to see the ever increasing number of younger children out there, even at the dawn service in martin Place.
its good to see that even after we have moved on, the Diggers will still be remembered.
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" Those heroes that shed their blood and
lost their lives...! You are now lying in
the soul of a friendly country, therefore
rest in peace.
There is no differences between
the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they
lie side by side here in this country of ours...
You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away
countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now
lying in our bosom and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have become
our sons as well."
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (1934).
..lest we forget.
lost their lives...! You are now lying in
the soul of a friendly country, therefore
rest in peace.
There is no differences between
the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they
lie side by side here in this country of ours...
You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away
countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now
lying in our bosom and are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land they have become
our sons as well."
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (1934).
..lest we forget.
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Yes it is a great pity that so many lives were lost.
It is an even greater pity that World War I ever started.
But does anyone know what triggered the start of the War ?
Just for some information (some facts here) :
Plenty more facts on the internet for those who might not believe me.
It is an even greater pity that World War I ever started.
But does anyone know what triggered the start of the War ?
Just for some information (some facts here) :
It was the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by a Serbian nationalist that triggered the start of the war
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It was Winston Churchill who was First Lord of the Admiralty. Gallipoli was his flawed obsession with the Dardanelles.
Schoolchildren need to know why we were at Gallipoli. Wars have not always been for the freedom of future generations. History has repeated. Where is open to debate.
And that is what I found remarkable about the place. How brave to go over the trenches with a rifle & bayonnet ( not loaded ) against machine guns. Knowing the futility of it, certain death at places like the Nek & Lone Pine, with or without the comfort of religion, side by side with your mates. A near suicide of our young nation became ANZAC.
Chunuk Bair is as moving too. With respect for our New Zealand neighbours.
It was Winston Churchill who was First Lord of the Admiralty. Gallipoli was his flawed obsession with the Dardanelles.
Schoolchildren need to know why we were at Gallipoli. Wars have not always been for the freedom of future generations. History has repeated. Where is open to debate.
And that is what I found remarkable about the place. How brave to go over the trenches with a rifle & bayonnet ( not loaded ) against machine guns. Knowing the futility of it, certain death at places like the Nek & Lone Pine, with or without the comfort of religion, side by side with your mates. A near suicide of our young nation became ANZAC.
Chunuk Bair is as moving too. With respect for our New Zealand neighbours.
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Mygrandfather was on Gallipoli. Not with the first wave but a little later.
He would say very little about what went on, but was a staunch believer that Johnny Turk was a good and honest fighter, and just doing his jobs as were the Aussies and Kiwis. He met a few in lulls in the fighting. Shook hands, and got back to work.
He would not hear one bad word about them, even though he was there to try to kill them.
I guess that is about where the honour in warfare literally went West.
There is no doubt what high esteem Australians and Turks hold for each other.
One good thing at least has come out of that monumental blunder on the part of the Brits.
Lest we forget.
EWL
He would say very little about what went on, but was a staunch believer that Johnny Turk was a good and honest fighter, and just doing his jobs as were the Aussies and Kiwis. He met a few in lulls in the fighting. Shook hands, and got back to work.
He would not hear one bad word about them, even though he was there to try to kill them.
I guess that is about where the honour in warfare literally went West.
There is no doubt what high esteem Australians and Turks hold for each other.
One good thing at least has come out of that monumental blunder on the part of the Brits.
Lest we forget.
EWL
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EWL, during the weekend, and in a few documentories, it was noted that gallipoli was a "gentlemens war" as both sides treated each other with respect and no atrocities were committed.
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................Dignified?
Is it just me or does anybody else find the circus at Anzac Cove offensive?
People sleeping in graveyards, cheering and yelling throughout the service, big screen entertainment throughout the night, laser light show just before dawn and our own ******** Prime Minister saying it was OK to trash the place as that's what Sydney harbour looked like after new years eve.
This Prime Minister has turned a dignified service into a jingoistic, flag waving, yobbo circus.
This is somebody elses country that lost 10 times the amount of lives in the conflict than our own.
There has been a dozen or more places where Australians have died in equal or more numbers around the world, these are all places of significance to Australia. Australia's "forging" started in the gold rush and is still going on, this bull**** about a defining battle making a nation is just Lil Johnny's propagander.
People sleeping in graveyards, cheering and yelling throughout the service, big screen entertainment throughout the night, laser light show just before dawn and our own ******** Prime Minister saying it was OK to trash the place as that's what Sydney harbour looked like after new years eve.
This Prime Minister has turned a dignified service into a jingoistic, flag waving, yobbo circus.
This is somebody elses country that lost 10 times the amount of lives in the conflict than our own.
There has been a dozen or more places where Australians have died in equal or more numbers around the world, these are all places of significance to Australia. Australia's "forging" started in the gold rush and is still going on, this bull**** about a defining battle making a nation is just Lil Johnny's propagander.
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Super Cecil; I suspect that a lot of Australians would agree with you! It is entirely possible that John W Howard has misread public opinion on this subject.
I saw one interview on the idiot box of one young lad at Gallipoli for the commemoration saying to the interviewer how proud he was to be an Australian etc whilst he was wearing his American baseball hat, on backwards as well.
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
I saw one interview on the idiot box of one young lad at Gallipoli for the commemoration saying to the interviewer how proud he was to be an Australian etc whilst he was wearing his American baseball hat, on backwards as well.
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.