Anti-terrorism measures on aircraft.
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Anti-terrorism measures on aircraft.
Would anyone care to post their or their companies solutions to the new requirements for Anti-terrorism measures on light aircraft. We have started using lockable wheel chocks and they are a bit of a pain. I believe that something as useless as a paddlockable chain to ground is sufficient.
Seems like a waste of time - is anyone else bothering??
Seems like a waste of time - is anyone else bothering??
Yeah lockable wheel chocks at my joint as well. Take up sh1tloads of extra baggage space though.
What are the alternatives? And no, not everyone is in line with the new measures!
TL
What are the alternatives? And no, not everyone is in line with the new measures!
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Security locks
Let me see if I get this right. They are worried that someone might steal the company's aircraft overnight and use it to blow up buildings. I take it like 11 Sept........... now questions is "has any aircraft been stolen in any aerodrome in Australia after the 11 Sept 2001 and used that way ?... I would think they would've done it by now.
All users would be known or somewhat known to someone in the flying school or aero club and would give the key to the locks at his or her request. Now I dont know if I'm missing something here but what would stop this person hiring it and then do the unthinkable ?........ I think this is an over-reaction. Those terrorist did not even need to ask for the keys, not there is one in those planes. If I was a terrorist, I'd hire a pilot and then take-over the plane mid-air by killing the pilot. That's what they did in 9/11.
Even this BS security check that they want to impose on us is a farce. Sorry, I know this has been done to death here but I still cant understand the logic behind this. Its the passengers in QF that they should be screening, not us or locking up the lightie parked in a GA aerodrome.
D6
All users would be known or somewhat known to someone in the flying school or aero club and would give the key to the locks at his or her request. Now I dont know if I'm missing something here but what would stop this person hiring it and then do the unthinkable ?........ I think this is an over-reaction. Those terrorist did not even need to ask for the keys, not there is one in those planes. If I was a terrorist, I'd hire a pilot and then take-over the plane mid-air by killing the pilot. That's what they did in 9/11.
Even this BS security check that they want to impose on us is a farce. Sorry, I know this has been done to death here but I still cant understand the logic behind this. Its the passengers in QF that they should be screening, not us or locking up the lightie parked in a GA aerodrome.
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And Another Thing!
I've just spent 6 weeks travelling around Asia and the Middle East on about 5 different airlines.
On the majority of airlines I flew with, METAL knives and forks were still being served to passengers on the dinner trays.
It was only on the last leg between SIN and MEL that I was suddenly presented with a metal fork and a plastic knife.
What this says to me is that it is only Oz that is overeacting with kneejerk responses to the aviation security threat. DOTARS needs to be subject to a massive reality check.
On the majority of airlines I flew with, METAL knives and forks were still being served to passengers on the dinner trays.
It was only on the last leg between SIN and MEL that I was suddenly presented with a metal fork and a plastic knife.
What this says to me is that it is only Oz that is overeacting with kneejerk responses to the aviation security threat. DOTARS needs to be subject to a massive reality check.
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I was suddenly presented with a metal fork and a plastic knife.
Or have I just been watching too many action movies lately?
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As I understand it you have four choices.
1. Wheel clamps
2. Control locks
3. Hangar the aircraft in a secure hangar
4. Physically securing the aircraft to the ground by means of a chain and padlock type device
I guess we are going to have to come up with some form of control lock as our helicopters don't have wheels, we don't have a hangar (yet) and chaining the aircraft to the ground is asking for trouble as it will inevitably lead to an aircraft trying to lift off whilst still chained to the ground. That leaves us with control locks. Can't say as I've ever seen control locks for a helicopter but no doubt they exist somewhere, hate to think what they cost though.
It is simply another example of bureaucrats covering their collective ars*s instead of accepting that the risk of someone pinching aircraft is no greater today than it was prior to Sept 11. Let's face it, flying schools are being watched rather closely these days so if you are of the terrorist persuasion and need a plane wouldn't you just charter a plane complete with pilot to get you most of the way there! Oops, did I say that out loud!
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1. Wheel clamps
2. Control locks
3. Hangar the aircraft in a secure hangar
4. Physically securing the aircraft to the ground by means of a chain and padlock type device
I guess we are going to have to come up with some form of control lock as our helicopters don't have wheels, we don't have a hangar (yet) and chaining the aircraft to the ground is asking for trouble as it will inevitably lead to an aircraft trying to lift off whilst still chained to the ground. That leaves us with control locks. Can't say as I've ever seen control locks for a helicopter but no doubt they exist somewhere, hate to think what they cost though.
It is simply another example of bureaucrats covering their collective ars*s instead of accepting that the risk of someone pinching aircraft is no greater today than it was prior to Sept 11. Let's face it, flying schools are being watched rather closely these days so if you are of the terrorist persuasion and need a plane wouldn't you just charter a plane complete with pilot to get you most of the way there! Oops, did I say that out loud!
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Hollywood, if I was the terrorist, I wouldnt even think of going to the flying schools and try to commandeer a light aircraft or a helicopter -- . I'd go for something that would inflict maximum damage. As I said in my post, QF pax are the ones they should be screening as this is the known avenue of someone who is either mentally deranged or suicidal.
They are like the Germans in WW2. They were hit where they didnt expect, in Normandy.
These idiots are guarding GA like Fort Knox where they are leaving something wide open. The big jets. That's the one they should be guarding as it has been proven before.
I'd like to know who paid these idiots to come up with something like this.
D6
They are like the Germans in WW2. They were hit where they didnt expect, in Normandy.
These idiots are guarding GA like Fort Knox where they are leaving something wide open. The big jets. That's the one they should be guarding as it has been proven before.
I'd like to know who paid these idiots to come up with something like this.
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If some one has gone to the trouble of planning a terrorist act with an aircraft, I dont think a chain and padlock will stop them, or most of the other measures either. Seems a bit overboard to me.
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In the Mail
Recieved two glossy brochures from DOTARS in the mail today.
They list some of the acceptable methods of securing aircraft (as mentiond before). I note that all the methods mentioned in the brocure and on the web site are visible from the outside of the aircraft.
At JT the common securing method in use is the Throttle lock. Not visible from the outside and not very obtrusive, but apparently suitable and working.
So don't assume because you can't see a lock one is not fitted.
The whole affair STINKS of Gov overreaction and ass covering. This would not happen in the USA where the whole thing started, US AOPA was apparently shocked that we Aussies would allow the gov to do this.
Good old AOPA Aust, well done. This is just more proof of your complete irrelevance to Aust aviaition.
Richo
They list some of the acceptable methods of securing aircraft (as mentiond before). I note that all the methods mentioned in the brocure and on the web site are visible from the outside of the aircraft.
At JT the common securing method in use is the Throttle lock. Not visible from the outside and not very obtrusive, but apparently suitable and working.
So don't assume because you can't see a lock one is not fitted.
The whole affair STINKS of Gov overreaction and ass covering. This would not happen in the USA where the whole thing started, US AOPA was apparently shocked that we Aussies would allow the gov to do this.
Good old AOPA Aust, well done. This is just more proof of your complete irrelevance to Aust aviaition.
Richo
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4. Physically securing the aircraft to the ground by means of a chain and padlock type device
What about locking a large chain round the base of the prop?
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I think it is laughable that DOTARS believes a padlocked tie down chain will stop a major terrorist event. The last time I bought new chains for our fleet, the hardware store employee (who insisted on cutting it to length for me) was a middle aged woman armed only with a set of long arm bolt cutters she grabbed straight off the rack.
Surely a person who had learnt the basics of flying, picked out a target and had the will to die for their cause would probably not be overly deterred by having to fork out 80 bucks to buy those same bolt cutters.
Surely a person who had learnt the basics of flying, picked out a target and had the will to die for their cause would probably not be overly deterred by having to fork out 80 bucks to buy those same bolt cutters.
Not seeing a great deal of change at JT. We have wheel locks, and the usual control/door locks. Starting to see a number of rolls of cyclone fencing crop up to be installed.
Interestingly British Airways have started to relax the 'plastic restrictions in the UK,
Interestingly British Airways have started to relax the 'plastic restrictions in the UK,
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im still waiting for the day when the flight crew of a aircraft at the domestic terminal, disembarks, and chains the aircraft to the terminal building!!!
well ? what about it? as a form of protest?
well ? what about it? as a form of protest?
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Surely you need to look further afield for the answer.
tongue in cheek answer
It is to keep your local hardware store in business, which in turn will help the GDP of the country.
See everyone benifits if 9/11 is flogged to death as much as possible God just seen a flying pig pass my window where is that chain and padlock could be a threat to National Security
tongue in cheek answer
It is to keep your local hardware store in business, which in turn will help the GDP of the country.
See everyone benifits if 9/11 is flogged to death as much as possible God just seen a flying pig pass my window where is that chain and padlock could be a threat to National Security
What about birds? I'm sure the idea has been tossed up at DOTARS that any feathered mammal larger than an adult pigeon must be restrained when not in flight otherwise said terrorist may train said bird to fly into buildings?
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With reference to the DOTARS pamphlets issued to all pilots, the part that really gets me is the words that the Department is "working with the aviation industry" etc etc.
Exactly, which part of the aviation industry did the Department consult on these new measures for GA aircraft? Because, as far as I know, not one GA aircraft/pilot body has agreed with these new measures for securing aircraft or for the implementation of photographic licenses at a cost to the pilot!
C'mon Dotars, someone give me an answer!
Exactly, which part of the aviation industry did the Department consult on these new measures for GA aircraft? Because, as far as I know, not one GA aircraft/pilot body has agreed with these new measures for securing aircraft or for the implementation of photographic licenses at a cost to the pilot!
C'mon Dotars, someone give me an answer!
QSK? Right On
Just received my copy of "Important Security News for GA Operators". This is the biggest bloody joke I have ever seen. I am speechless that this could ever be taken seriously by anyone, anywhere. It is beyond belief...
The moron(s) responsible should be found and flogged. Perhaps they are the owners of hardware stores, as previously suggested.
If I knew who they were and where they lived, theirs would be the first house I would target in my "killer" light aircraft.
NB "This brouchure is provided for general information only and is not to be read or used as a substitute for legal advice" - if that's not arse covering what is?
I call on anyone who agrees with any of the above, to simply ignore this dribble - which it seems many are doing already.
I say again, what a
joke!!
CR...
The moron(s) responsible should be found and flogged. Perhaps they are the owners of hardware stores, as previously suggested.
If I knew who they were and where they lived, theirs would be the first house I would target in my "killer" light aircraft.
NB "This brouchure is provided for general information only and is not to be read or used as a substitute for legal advice" - if that's not arse covering what is?
I call on anyone who agrees with any of the above, to simply ignore this dribble - which it seems many are doing already.
I say again, what a
joke!! CR...
QSK?
Sadly, AOPA not only bent over for DOTARSE for this one, but held onto their ankles to make sure good & proper.
One very good reason I will not be renewing my membership.
Absolutely disgraceful.
Sadly, AOPA not only bent over for DOTARSE for this one, but held onto their ankles to make sure good & proper.
One very good reason I will not be renewing my membership.
Absolutely disgraceful.