Anti-terrorism measures on aircraft.
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AOPA,
Since you wont stand up for us pilots and owners, what bloody good are you ?........
You're happy to take our membership fee for a year but you guys in there are like stunged mullet when real issues needs to be addressed. I WAS one of your members and why you didnt take action against the $200 security fee suggesting that we are a bunch of terrorist - how insulting. (and now this )only suggest that you are a toothless organization.
I just tore up my renewal form for this organization. Instead you will be receiving a letter from me for your ineptness and inaction letting us take this crap from DOT"ARSe" lying down.
What's next ?...... chain our balls to the ground ?
We want an organization that will speak for us and you're not it.
D6
Since you wont stand up for us pilots and owners, what bloody good are you ?........
You're happy to take our membership fee for a year but you guys in there are like stunged mullet when real issues needs to be addressed. I WAS one of your members and why you didnt take action against the $200 security fee suggesting that we are a bunch of terrorist - how insulting. (and now this )only suggest that you are a toothless organization.
I just tore up my renewal form for this organization. Instead you will be receiving a letter from me for your ineptness and inaction letting us take this crap from DOT"ARSe" lying down.
What's next ?...... chain our balls to the ground ?
We want an organization that will speak for us and you're not it.
D6
Jenna Talia
I remember a similar argument after a certain taswegian ran amok with projectile dispenser. You cannot argue against the public good from a minority position. I lost two damn good rifles to the "public good"
Anyway, what do you expect when the whole cluster
is being run by a refugee from the health department.
PS Jenna and D6...You name an organisation that will stop this BS security check and you can have my 200smakers every two years......if they deliver
I remember a similar argument after a certain taswegian ran amok with projectile dispenser. You cannot argue against the public good from a minority position. I lost two damn good rifles to the "public good"
Anyway, what do you expect when the whole cluster
is being run by a refugee from the health department.PS Jenna and D6...You name an organisation that will stop this BS security check
and you can have my 200smakers every two years......if they deliver
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I seem to have been left out of the loop on this one. I've yet to receive my shiny brochure, and the first I heard of the new requirements was by way of conversation with another pilot, around 25/03, some fifteen days after the requirement. I have yet to be approached for my misdemeanour.
My aircraft lives behind a chain fence and is protected by armed members of the APS. $150 for an aluminium tube and a padlock to lock the throttle. No thanks.
I've also seen locking wheel chocks that don't actually lock to the wheel but simply lock together. One only needs a couple of burly terrorists to lift the nose\push down the tail and slide the lock from beneath the nose wheel.
I for one will continue to implement my usual security measures.... I tend to leave the keys in the unlocked aircraft. This saves the 50 minute return drive home on the odd occasion I have hurried out the door sans keys.
Two Dogs
My aircraft lives behind a chain fence and is protected by armed members of the APS. $150 for an aluminium tube and a padlock to lock the throttle. No thanks.
I've also seen locking wheel chocks that don't actually lock to the wheel but simply lock together. One only needs a couple of burly terrorists to lift the nose\push down the tail and slide the lock from beneath the nose wheel.
I for one will continue to implement my usual security measures.... I tend to leave the keys in the unlocked aircraft. This saves the 50 minute return drive home on the odd occasion I have hurried out the door sans keys.
Two Dogs
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" remember a similar argument after a certain taswegian ran amok with projectile dispenser. You cannot argue against the public good from a minority position. I lost two damn good rifles to the "public good""'
Remember a police officer hid in a ditch while this was going on so the professionals can protect you:
Remember the 1/1/15 Muslim ice cream man at Broken Hill/Silverton where the local Rifle club dealt with the situation. (Similar Dead)
" remember a similar argument after a certain taswegian ran amok with projectile dispenser. You cannot argue against the public good from a minority position. I lost two damn good rifles to the "public good""'
Remember a police officer hid in a ditch while this was going on so the professionals can protect you:
Remember the 1/1/15 Muslim ice cream man at Broken Hill/Silverton where the local Rifle club dealt with the situation. (Similar Dead)
On New Year's Day, 1915, Broken Hill became the site of the only outbreak of war hostilities on Australian soil. It began when a trainload of picnickers passed an ice-cream cart flying the Turkish flag at the eastern fringe of the town. Two men fired at the picnickers killing three people and wounding another six - a boy, a girl, three women and an old man. The two gunmen were locals of Turkish origin. They moved on to a cottage where they murdered the occupant and then were confronted by a party of police, soldiers and rifle-club members. After a lengthy battle the men were killed. Today there is a railway truck to mark the spot of the initial encounter (listed on the town's heritage trail) and a replica ice-cream cart at White Rocks, at the northern end of the town, where the shootout occurred.
Just in case anyone is a little confused by Deaf's post.
After the fact, the position the Feds took about gun control made it impossible to argue either way. The end result was that to comply with the new laws, the cost of the licence, the security measures, the difference in laws between states meant that owning my rifles after moving interstate become uneconomical. As a hobbyist, I was not that serious about gun ownership that to own something that would last many lifetimes would cost me more than what the weapons would be worth in licence costs.
Does this sound familiar? It is not the "professionals" who will get hurt here. Costs will be bourn by your employers or your company. Us "hobbyists" will be decimated. To confront head on will not work. The only way to save ourselves is to deflect the regulator toward a more palatable and affordable course. Either that or its RAA until the regulator sences another kill
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PS Jenna and D6...You name an organisation that will stop this BS security check and you can have my 200smakers every two years......if they deliver.
Maybe if you'd been more vocal when this was first proposed we might have been able to stop it.
Waste of time. DOTARS had created another little fifdom in the office of transport security, headed by an ex-health department type (Jobs for the boys??) who knows absolutely squat about what should be done and indeed what other countries have done in the name of national security.
I think their collective security knowledge has been gleened from reading too many spy novels. Paranoid governments have fallen for the "Yes Minister" empire builder types who just cannot waste such an opportunity. To our collective detriment
I think their collective security knowledge has been gleened from reading too many spy novels. Paranoid governments have fallen for the "Yes Minister" empire builder types who just cannot waste such an opportunity. To our collective detriment
Didn't some kid fly a 152 or somthing similar into building just after 9/11? I dont think it did much (except went splat and took out one office).
I would sugest that there is the proof that a GA aircraft isn't going to do jack all in the hand of a nutter. Better of hijacking a cement mixer and filling it with fuel, and then driving it to the office of your local member.
usless the lot of em
I would sugest that there is the proof that a GA aircraft isn't going to do jack all in the hand of a nutter. Better of hijacking a cement mixer and filling it with fuel, and then driving it to the office of your local member.
usless the lot of em
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http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/06/tampa.crash/
Didn't make it past the first row of cubicles.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/06/tampa.crash/
Didn't make it past the first row of cubicles.
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Someone said earlier something about going to RAA until DoTaRS find someone else to rip off - according to a letter I received from the Minister's office, pilots of all POWERED aircraft will be subjected to these checks. This is contradicting stuff on the DoTaRS website and almost everything else I've read on the issue... but if it comes direct from the minister's office...
What they're concerned about, as far as I can see, is not necessarily a 'light-plane-into-a-building' Tampa-style incident, but the use of a light plane from a small, unsecured airport to access the airside areas of something served by the bigger fish (eg Canberra). BUT... while at YSCB the other day I needed to use the GA terminal, to get back airside I called airside operations for the code to unlock the gate - the bloke who answered asked me if I had an aircraft airside - yes - "ok the code is blah".
SO WHY BOTHER WITH THE WHOLE SECURITY BULLSH%T WHEN IT'S THAT EASY TO GET AIRSIDE AT A MAJOR AIRPORT????
Then again, perhaps I shouldn't post this... if anyone sees it they may get a bright idea to start 'increasing' security at YSCB...
What they're concerned about, as far as I can see, is not necessarily a 'light-plane-into-a-building' Tampa-style incident, but the use of a light plane from a small, unsecured airport to access the airside areas of something served by the bigger fish (eg Canberra). BUT... while at YSCB the other day I needed to use the GA terminal, to get back airside I called airside operations for the code to unlock the gate - the bloke who answered asked me if I had an aircraft airside - yes - "ok the code is blah".
SO WHY BOTHER WITH THE WHOLE SECURITY BULLSH%T WHEN IT'S THAT EASY TO GET AIRSIDE AT A MAJOR AIRPORT????
Then again, perhaps I shouldn't post this... if anyone sees it they may get a bright idea to start 'increasing' security at YSCB...
Oops. 
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Because we are made to wheel chock ,clamp and tie down a C150 I wonder what they are making petrol tanker drivers do ?
ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!
He had no authority to get in the plane alone, a government transportation official said.
A ninth-grader at East Lake High School near Tarpon Springs, Florida, Bishop should have had an instructor in the plane with him,
A ninth-grader at East Lake High School near Tarpon Springs, Florida, Bishop should have had an instructor in the plane with him,
well, cant happen here! we have Photo licences!
oh wait, none of these pilots had actual licences!
The kid concerned was on ritalin.
Despite all of the security measures, one wonders why some suitably trained Al Qaeeda type simply cannot go and BUY an aircraft. Do new aircraft owners get an ASIO check? I think not.
Even further, why cannot Al Qaeeda buy half a dozen RAA type kit planes and form a whole squadron?
Even further, are baggage handlers screened by ASIO, perhaps for Camel Suit stealing tendancies?
Even further, what is to stop someone throwing a package over the fence to a screened and searched baggage handler, LAME or whatever?
There seem to be so many holes in the security system that a determined terrorist could exploit, that I wonder why we bother, at least to this bear of very little brain.
Despite all of the security measures, one wonders why some suitably trained Al Qaeeda type simply cannot go and BUY an aircraft. Do new aircraft owners get an ASIO check? I think not.
Even further, why cannot Al Qaeeda buy half a dozen RAA type kit planes and form a whole squadron?
Even further, are baggage handlers screened by ASIO, perhaps for Camel Suit stealing tendancies?
Even further, what is to stop someone throwing a package over the fence to a screened and searched baggage handler, LAME or whatever?
There seem to be so many holes in the security system that a determined terrorist could exploit, that I wonder why we bother, at least to this bear of very little brain.
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Lets face it, If someone or some group want to break in to, break up or do anything very bad to aviation and it's components, it just takes time and effort.
Nothing is infallable.
An old e.g. Years ago Ford (I think) came out with these wizbang pin key codes instead of standard keys/locks for cars. A current affair show "found" some car theives and asked them to break into some test cars. From memory took each one around 40 secs.
As much as I hate the idea of lockable chocks and the like I do understand that they are a visual deterant.
So instead I stealing the A/c they just break all the windows, damage or steal things inside, the bugga off.
Nothing is infallable.
An old e.g. Years ago Ford (I think) came out with these wizbang pin key codes instead of standard keys/locks for cars. A current affair show "found" some car theives and asked them to break into some test cars. From memory took each one around 40 secs.
As much as I hate the idea of lockable chocks and the like I do understand that they are a visual deterant.
So instead I stealing the A/c they just break all the windows, damage or steal things inside, the bugga off.