CASA photo licences
I hope U aren't serious Ultralights
I can see it now, my licence will be held up until members of ASIO raid my residence to make sure I dispossed of my weapons
And someone on this forum got up me once about not trusting bureaucrats
I can see it now, my licence will be held up until members of ASIO raid my residence to make sure I dispossed of my weapons And someone on this forum got up me once about not trusting bureaucrats
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Very interesting re the firearms licence issue. I had a pistol licence until 1 year ago, licensed by CASA and the Federal Transport bureau to carry it while on flying duties..(helicopters of course). So I will be quite keen to see what will happen when I apply for my Photo Casa ID...
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the only weapon i have is my direct possesion is my grandfathers WWII issue weapon! never been fired since the end of hostilities. and i need the licence to make thing legal whne visiting relatives in the west of the state on large properties, all weapons are stored there, in purpose built gun rooms!
i have held that licence since the early 90's
i nver dreamed it would be an issue till now.
the great irony is, all this BULL****E creates the urge to fly my plane into parliment house, but little good that will do. as we all know a light aircraft poses no real threat to any substantial structure..... i think im gonna cry now....
and i would be pretty certain, now with these piles of rules and regulation now in force, it would now be technically Illegal for anyone in Oz to fly an aircraft. if somone would just sit down and search all the paperwork, we could all stop flying, and claim, not industrial action, but governament action in banning aircraft from being flown!
Im sure the public would love that!!
just like it is technically illegal to drive a car out of your driveway!
i have held that licence since the early 90's
i nver dreamed it would be an issue till now.
the great irony is, all this BULL****E creates the urge to fly my plane into parliment house, but little good that will do. as we all know a light aircraft poses no real threat to any substantial structure..... i think im gonna cry now....
and i would be pretty certain, now with these piles of rules and regulation now in force, it would now be technically Illegal for anyone in Oz to fly an aircraft. if somone would just sit down and search all the paperwork, we could all stop flying, and claim, not industrial action, but governament action in banning aircraft from being flown!
Im sure the public would love that!!
just like it is technically illegal to drive a car out of your driveway!
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After telephone tag between DOTARS and Sydney Airport I got these answers from a friendly DOTARS dude.
a) I will need a ASIC as a private pilot if i want to visit Coffs, Gold Coast or Canberra with my one personal aircraft based at Bankstown.
b) I need to Ring Sydney Airport to get one.
c) I Will need it by 20 December or ELSE.
The not as friendly person at Sydney Airport Security and ID Services. Could not understand that i did not work at Sydney airport let alone did not work in aviation but took my name and address and said they would send me a form and i should send it back and my card would be sent to me. (She did not even sound like she was writing my details down you know that Telstra feeling) Anyway that was Friday still no sign of any forms will followup if i get em.
Oh she also said i should inclose a cheque made out to Sydney airport
No doubt this will pay for a few camel suits.
a) I will need a ASIC as a private pilot if i want to visit Coffs, Gold Coast or Canberra with my one personal aircraft based at Bankstown.
b) I need to Ring Sydney Airport to get one.
c) I Will need it by 20 December or ELSE.
The not as friendly person at Sydney Airport Security and ID Services. Could not understand that i did not work at Sydney airport let alone did not work in aviation but took my name and address and said they would send me a form and i should send it back and my card would be sent to me. (She did not even sound like she was writing my details down you know that Telstra feeling) Anyway that was Friday still no sign of any forms will followup if i get em.
Oh she also said i should inclose a cheque made out to Sydney airport
No doubt this will pay for a few camel suits.
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Waste of Money
The best thing you can do is send that letter and glossy brochures straight back, thats what I did. With all this extra cost everyone is paying in response to so called security threats, those brochures sum it up perfectly, its all gloss and for public perception because it does f#&k all for security as we all know! Apart from the fact that light aircraft are practically useless for real damage, whats going to stop someone with a pair of boltcutters to steal an aircraft... exactly! Nothing! There is no security at most regional airfields as we all know. Doesnt seem to be many restrictions on truck hire and access to any major CBD in them... hmm tossers!
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Just to make matters worse...
I have a lovely letter in my hand from Brisbane Airport Corporation. They now want another $50 for a security bond. Jeeze Louise...
"To meet our recovery obligation, we will be introducing a $50.00 security bond on all BAC ASIC's issued from 1 July 2005."
"We have been forced into this measure to meet our regulatory obligation and due to a poorer than expected ASIC return rate from card holders. We also face a $1,000 fine if we don't give it back if it is damaged, altered, defaced or no longer required.
What next???
TBT
I have a lovely letter in my hand from Brisbane Airport Corporation. They now want another $50 for a security bond. Jeeze Louise...
"To meet our recovery obligation, we will be introducing a $50.00 security bond on all BAC ASIC's issued from 1 July 2005."
"We have been forced into this measure to meet our regulatory obligation and due to a poorer than expected ASIC return rate from card holders. We also face a $1,000 fine if we don't give it back if it is damaged, altered, defaced or no longer required.
What next???
TBT
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"To meet our recovery obligation, we will be introducing a $50.00 security bond on all BAC ASIC's issued from 1 July 2005."
we made it a user pays system,. but no one is paying the excessive costs, so to recover what we thought we were going to get, will will increase costs! and add a tax..
so if im flying from Hoxton, enroute to Hervey Bay, and overhead coffs harbour. suffer a catastrophic engine failure, am i leagally allowed to land safely at Coffs, or do i have to put her down on a beach or the pacific Hwy, as i dont hold an ASIC?
or can i land there, but remain forever inside the aircraft for fear of arrest should i leave it and venture onto the solid earth without a ASIC?
And what if you have the temerity to carry a Leatherman? Furthermore, inadvertant non complaince, let alone refusal to comply with any of this stuff will compromise your licence, ASIC, the lot.
I think I understand that YMMB is to be totaly fenced, camera'd and combination locked.
Yet it still doesn't answer the basic question. What is to stop Al Qaeeda from buying an aircraft undetected or hiring it from some regional operator who does NOT have security?
Furthermore, what is to stop a terrorist from stealing an aircraft from an unattended hangar at Hamilton or elsewhere?
Then of course there is the entire RAA fleet.
I think I understand that YMMB is to be totaly fenced, camera'd and combination locked.
Yet it still doesn't answer the basic question. What is to stop Al Qaeeda from buying an aircraft undetected or hiring it from some regional operator who does NOT have security?
Furthermore, what is to stop a terrorist from stealing an aircraft from an unattended hangar at Hamilton or elsewhere?
Then of course there is the entire RAA fleet.
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Good Suggestion
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Great suggestion! Lets all do that but, remember, don't put your name on the return envelope!
Peaceful and effective protest. I like it!
"The best thing you can do is send that letter and glossy brochures straight back..."
Peaceful and effective protest. I like it!
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A Sydney man was questioned today by members of the prime ministers special task force. Charges are yet to be laid however it is understood that the man, James al Ultralights had applied for a gun licence in 1994. The fact that this man was allowed to own firearms is expected to raise several serious questions.
...and can some Legal Eagle Ppruner please give Mr. James al Ultralights some advice...
In relation to suspected terrorist activity - can Mr. Ultralights (a member of the highly dangerous Jabiru organisation) be detained, without charge, indefinately?? Must he be charged within a certain time-frame? Can he be harrassed endlessly?
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Sunfish. Possibly an area you have not dabbled in. The registration of an aircraft you have bought has become mucho difficult in Aus in recent years. In fact an individual has great difficulty. Must be incorporated. Can you list the reasons why?
Pay cash and promise to sort the forms out later, certainly possibly for a bugsmasher but then the inate behaviour of the seller must be considered.
Pay cash and promise to sort the forms out later, certainly possibly for a bugsmasher but then the inate behaviour of the seller must be considered.
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Yeah I guess so, they're cunning buggers I hear. Personally I very much doubt any terror from the skies scenario from light aircraft.
The other idea being promoted that airline pilots could be forced to act under duress because the family was being threatened or some such is an absolute non-starter. Pilots by and large are intelligent people and in a nanosecond would see the imperative of the greater good!
The 11th of September hijackers may have coerced pilots to allow access to the flightdeck under threat of violence to hosties and pax, but that flaw is now well understood.
An example of resiliance is the Boeing pilot ditching his aircraft off Mauritiaus while being axe attacked in an attempt to have him crash into a resort.
Aviation in Australia at least is not a soft target. So I wish they would stop hassling the people at the coal face for something to do!
The other idea being promoted that airline pilots could be forced to act under duress because the family was being threatened or some such is an absolute non-starter. Pilots by and large are intelligent people and in a nanosecond would see the imperative of the greater good!
The 11th of September hijackers may have coerced pilots to allow access to the flightdeck under threat of violence to hosties and pax, but that flaw is now well understood.
An example of resiliance is the Boeing pilot ditching his aircraft off Mauritiaus while being axe attacked in an attempt to have him crash into a resort.
Aviation in Australia at least is not a soft target. So I wish they would stop hassling the people at the coal face for something to do!
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After telephone tag between DOTARS and Sydney Airport I got these answers from a friendly DOTARS dude.
a) I will need a ASIC as a private pilot if i want to visit Coffs, Gold Coast or Canberra with my one personal aircraft based at Bankstown.
b) I need to Ring Sydney Airport to get one.
c) I Will need it by 20 December or ELSE.
The not as friendly person at Sydney Airport Security and ID Services. Could not understand that i did not work at Sydney airport let alone did not work in aviation but took my name and address and said they would send me a form and i should send it back and my card would be sent to me. (She did not even sound like she was writing my details down you know that Telstra feeling) Anyway that was Friday still no sign of any forms will followup if i get em.
Oh she also said i should inclose a cheque made out to Sydney airport
No doubt this will pay for a few camel suits.
a) I will need a ASIC as a private pilot if i want to visit Coffs, Gold Coast or Canberra with my one personal aircraft based at Bankstown.
b) I need to Ring Sydney Airport to get one.
c) I Will need it by 20 December or ELSE.
The not as friendly person at Sydney Airport Security and ID Services. Could not understand that i did not work at Sydney airport let alone did not work in aviation but took my name and address and said they would send me a form and i should send it back and my card would be sent to me. (She did not even sound like she was writing my details down you know that Telstra feeling) Anyway that was Friday still no sign of any forms will followup if i get em.
Oh she also said i should inclose a cheque made out to Sydney airport
No doubt this will pay for a few camel suits.
I at least managed to get an ASIC application form from Melbourne Airport. However as I don't have an employer at Melbourne Airport to "sponsor" my application I can't complete the form! Obviously not set up for a private GA pilot like myself.
Has any private pilot managed to get as ASIC yet?? If so, how?
Has any private pilot managed to get as ASIC yet?? If so, how?
I emailed DOTARS to ask the questions a lot of you have posed, how does a PPL or CPL not employed in aviation actually get an ASIC, after 3 weeks I got a reply to say that I posed some interesting questions that they would respond to within 3-4 weeks....still waiting........
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Stupidity
The way I understand it basically every pilot (xx,000 of them) will need a RED ASIC good for anyware (SY, ML etc) very poor security idea. Why not use a green/blue/yellow/whatever ASIC (ie photo card license) to cover all the new stuff (any place that didn't require an ASIC 9/3/05).
This however would require some logic and understanding of security by DOTARS.
If you don't have an ASIC a camel suit will do.
The way I understand it basically every pilot (xx,000 of them) will need a RED ASIC good for anyware (SY, ML etc) very poor security idea. Why not use a green/blue/yellow/whatever ASIC (ie photo card license) to cover all the new stuff (any place that didn't require an ASIC 9/3/05).
This however would require some logic and understanding of security by DOTARS.
If you don't have an ASIC a camel suit will do.
Had a lovely flight a few weeks ago to parts northern and western. Not a wheel clamp in sight and the boundary fences wouldn't keep a dingo out let alone a human on any of the airports.
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Sunfish the B767 ditching off Mauritias was due fuel starvation...the terrorists refused to let the captain divert and land for fuel so he could actually take them where they wanted to go...Australia from memory.
But you are right....we sit behind a bullet proof, locked door these days and won't open it for anything...not even serial decapitations of cabin crew, family members or pax...if they are going to that length to get into the flight deck we all know what will come next.
I personally believe I'll never face that scenario because the terrorists know it as well as anyone and I doubt that 911 style attacks will happen again...pity DOTARS/Polliticians see it as a way to control people/build empires....fear of the incredibly unlikely.
Sad really...one of the really nice parts of the job was cockpit visits from pax...both adult and kids but particularly kids.
As far as ASIC cards for non professional/employed pilots...well is anyone surprised that the whole deal wasn't terribly well thought through?
Have the useless morons thought about foriegn crews? I don't have an ASIC since I work for a foriegn carrier but I operate B767s in and out of Oz regularly...as do the crews of numerous airlines...many crewed by Ozzies/yanks/brits etc but also many crewed by people who might be viewed as 'suspect' or who fit the profilers potentially nasty list....what are DOTARS going to do about them? Absolutely NOTHING!!!
But lets hammer all the C152/210/PA28 crowd...it's a common human condition I see fairly often...can't really control this or that for political reasons so hammer those you can control twice as hard.
Or is the answer actually a little more sinister than that...make it impossible for GA to go to larger airports by making it impossible to get a 'security' clearance?
Chuck
But you are right....we sit behind a bullet proof, locked door these days and won't open it for anything...not even serial decapitations of cabin crew, family members or pax...if they are going to that length to get into the flight deck we all know what will come next.
I personally believe I'll never face that scenario because the terrorists know it as well as anyone and I doubt that 911 style attacks will happen again...pity DOTARS/Polliticians see it as a way to control people/build empires....fear of the incredibly unlikely.
Sad really...one of the really nice parts of the job was cockpit visits from pax...both adult and kids but particularly kids.
As far as ASIC cards for non professional/employed pilots...well is anyone surprised that the whole deal wasn't terribly well thought through?
Have the useless morons thought about foriegn crews? I don't have an ASIC since I work for a foriegn carrier but I operate B767s in and out of Oz regularly...as do the crews of numerous airlines...many crewed by Ozzies/yanks/brits etc but also many crewed by people who might be viewed as 'suspect' or who fit the profilers potentially nasty list....what are DOTARS going to do about them? Absolutely NOTHING!!!
But lets hammer all the C152/210/PA28 crowd...it's a common human condition I see fairly often...can't really control this or that for political reasons so hammer those you can control twice as hard.
Or is the answer actually a little more sinister than that...make it impossible for GA to go to larger airports by making it impossible to get a 'security' clearance?
Chuck