ICUS with Johnston Aviation
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ICUS with Johnston Aviation
To all CPL thinking of doing ICUS with Johnston Aviation in PMQ, I have bad news.
They have lost the freight contract to someone else unfortunately. Johnston is a good operator and been a big help to a lot of pilots wanting experience in a freight charter operation and I am a bit sad that their ICUS from YSBK to Taree and PMQ will probably cease as earlry as April or July since they have bookings until July.
Apparently, they have lost it to an operator that flies the S.E. Caravan.
So, it's a bit of a disappointment since I flew with them 4 years ago as ICUS and I know J.A. is a good operator if not the best.
Jaime, sorry to hear that mate.
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They have lost the freight contract to someone else unfortunately. Johnston is a good operator and been a big help to a lot of pilots wanting experience in a freight charter operation and I am a bit sad that their ICUS from YSBK to Taree and PMQ will probably cease as earlry as April or July since they have bookings until July.
Apparently, they have lost it to an operator that flies the S.E. Caravan.
So, it's a bit of a disappointment since I flew with them 4 years ago as ICUS and I know J.A. is a good operator if not the best.
Jaime, sorry to hear that mate.
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A sign of the times
Is this the start of something big?
Are the piston twins finally going the way of the HQ Holden i.e. notoriously unreliable, heavy on maintenance, but full of nostagia!
Are the piston twins finally going the way of the HQ Holden i.e. notoriously unreliable, heavy on maintenance, but full of nostagia!
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Jet A_ok, nah its a different mob. Apparently, its Cirrus Aviation.
VH-Teach - I'm not aware of anyone offering ICUS at this time out of Bankstown. As far as I know CASA wont allow it anymore.
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VH-Teach - I'm not aware of anyone offering ICUS at this time out of Bankstown. As far as I know CASA wont allow it anymore.
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There are currently no freight charter AOC's with a Van authorised. In fact, there are only 6 freight charter AOCs on the CASA website.
"Son of Cirrus", Direct Air Services, is authorised only for PA-31 ops. The other AOC they bought (Valley Air Charter) no longer appears on the CASA database although it previously was listed as belonging to DAS.
"Son of Cirrus", Direct Air Services, is authorised only for PA-31 ops. The other AOC they bought (Valley Air Charter) no longer appears on the CASA database although it previously was listed as belonging to DAS.
Good to see that GA is moving forward with new technology. C208's kill piston twins head to head with payload. In the US fedex have been running them for 20 years as night freighters so it's about time that Australia catches up.
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Kahuna is correct. I've confirmed it, it's J**craft with the caravan.
The guy who is operating it is from the old Cirrus Aviation.
Going nowhere is probably spot on too with the rego.
If this will be the trend, will the piston twins be considered Jurassic in the freight game ?
But, its just a war between who has the lower overheads.
Don't know though if the decision was based on under cutting JA or an inside job but in any case, let's see how long they last.
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The guy who is operating it is from the old Cirrus Aviation.
Going nowhere is probably spot on too with the rego.
If this will be the trend, will the piston twins be considered Jurassic in the freight game ?
But, its just a war between who has the lower overheads.
Don't know though if the decision was based on under cutting JA or an inside job but in any case, let's see how long they last.
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Not sure JetA_ok. As far as I know the guy who is operating it now is from the old Cirrus Aviation but it doesnt mean they were bought, It could just be a change of management.
I agree, it would be based on the payload meaning more freight
in one run meaning more income for the freight company although the cost will probably be a bit little more or even the same.
I agree, it would be based on the payload meaning more freight
in one run meaning more income for the freight company although the cost will probably be a bit little more or even the same.
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Horatio,
when you search the CASA website for freight operators, they are the freight ONLY operators. There are plenty of operators around with C208s on their AOC. If you have a general charter AOC you can do pax or freight.
From what I've heard the guy that used to run/(own?) Cirrus [circus] by the name of Tom D (is all I can say) is ops manager at Jetcr@ft.
A brand new US$ 1.5M C208B doing regular freight work will blow a PA31 or any other 20 year old piston twin out of the water (including financing). They are cheaper to operate can carry literally twice as much on a shortish leg (up to 1.5 hrs), and are less than 10kts slower than a PA31 (which would only make a couple of minutes difference).
Problem is, you log it in the single column!
Why is everyone so sad to see the paid ICUS at Johnsons go, it doesn't have a place in this industry anyway. If you try hard enough you can get ICUS without paying for it.
when you search the CASA website for freight operators, they are the freight ONLY operators. There are plenty of operators around with C208s on their AOC. If you have a general charter AOC you can do pax or freight.
From what I've heard the guy that used to run/(own?) Cirrus [circus] by the name of Tom D (is all I can say) is ops manager at Jetcr@ft.
A brand new US$ 1.5M C208B doing regular freight work will blow a PA31 or any other 20 year old piston twin out of the water (including financing). They are cheaper to operate can carry literally twice as much on a shortish leg (up to 1.5 hrs), and are less than 10kts slower than a PA31 (which would only make a couple of minutes difference).
Problem is, you log it in the single column!
Why is everyone so sad to see the paid ICUS at Johnsons go, it doesn't have a place in this industry anyway. If you try hard enough you can get ICUS without paying for it.
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i think you should look over the figures on that one, sure the van is cheaper in some respecs, overall it is a deerer machine even though JJ owns his own maint. We all know JJ can afford one, so buy one mate!!
A great operator, one of few who can suck more piss than most of his students. He'll sort it out
A great operator, one of few who can suck more piss than most of his students. He'll sort it out
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I think you will find that a van doing 1000hrs/yr will crap on a PA31 doing the same work financially, and the dispatch reliability will also be very very close to 100% (can't say that about a Chief).
Things like engines are just the start, sure turbines are more expensive to overhaul, but not when you look at it like this:
The PT6 on the C208 has a 5000hr TBO (and only one overhall to do), the TSIO 540s have about an 1800hr TBO (and there are 2 of them), and that is if you dont have any problems before they get to their life limit.
then prop overahuls 1 compared to 2 etc etc.
Jet A-1 is about 30c/L less than avgas
No gear cycles vs. hydraulic pumps/retractable gear etc.
Now, work out the cost to move a kilo of freight to say, Toll, compare 800kg to 1500kgs when the aircraft cost about the same to Charter! And there is also twice as much cubic room on the aircraft.
The folks at Cessna knew what they were doing. It was originally designed as a pure freighter for FedEx, the pax version was an after thought.
Just doesn't add up for the poor old twins
I think you will find that a van doing 1000hrs/yr will crap on a PA31 doing the same work financially, and the dispatch reliability will also be very very close to 100% (can't say that about a Chief).
Things like engines are just the start, sure turbines are more expensive to overhaul, but not when you look at it like this:
The PT6 on the C208 has a 5000hr TBO (and only one overhall to do), the TSIO 540s have about an 1800hr TBO (and there are 2 of them), and that is if you dont have any problems before they get to their life limit.
then prop overahuls 1 compared to 2 etc etc.
Jet A-1 is about 30c/L less than avgas
No gear cycles vs. hydraulic pumps/retractable gear etc.
Now, work out the cost to move a kilo of freight to say, Toll, compare 800kg to 1500kgs when the aircraft cost about the same to Charter! And there is also twice as much cubic room on the aircraft.
The folks at Cessna knew what they were doing. It was originally designed as a pure freighter for FedEx, the pax version was an after thought.
Just doesn't add up for the poor old twins
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sorry to say it guys but its been going on for a while, there have been caravans doing the bankstown runs since before xmas, they are justr a far superior and affordable machine and yes J*****aft do have UZB and it will be into operation within the next two weeks.. multi time is becoming a thing of the past, hopefully operators will understand this with high multi requirements making it very hard for young CPLs looking for work !!
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I think the caravan is a great freight aircraft, but I also believe the chieftain will be around for alot longer aswell. It is still going to take some convincing to the general public that a single can possibly be safer than a twin. As I have been involved with both the normal charter client nearly always takes the "twin engine aicraft" ???
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I agree with you, the problem is most government companies and many charter clients require twin engine aircraft for passenger charter operatios. Therefore I believe that these types of aircraft will be around for a long time to come.
I agree with you, the problem is most government companies and many charter clients require twin engine aircraft for passenger charter operatios. Therefore I believe that these types of aircraft will be around for a long time to come.
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Statistically, you are more likely to have both engines fail in a piston than the single turbine (and the difference is quite a lot). I know that these are just statistics.
Pistons will become less and less popular as the fleet ages (more). Organisations that require twin engine aircraft are already moving towards requiring multi turbine aeroplanes (there are a few that have alreadymoved to this, and the rest will follow).
IMHO I believe an unpressurised turbine such as the Reims F406 (funny, it's called the 'Caravan II') will be the replacement for these old pistons. I have even seen a PA31 fitted with PT6s designated the "T-1040". The problem with the majority of twin turbine aircraft is that alot of the expense with running them is the maintenance associated with a pressurised hull.
The slight extra hourly cost of running unpressurised turbines is offset by the fact that they are significantly quicker and therefore require less hours over a given distance.
Pistons will become less and less popular as the fleet ages (more). Organisations that require twin engine aircraft are already moving towards requiring multi turbine aeroplanes (there are a few that have alreadymoved to this, and the rest will follow).
IMHO I believe an unpressurised turbine such as the Reims F406 (funny, it's called the 'Caravan II') will be the replacement for these old pistons. I have even seen a PA31 fitted with PT6s designated the "T-1040". The problem with the majority of twin turbine aircraft is that alot of the expense with running them is the maintenance associated with a pressurised hull.
The slight extra hourly cost of running unpressurised turbines is offset by the fact that they are significantly quicker and therefore require less hours over a given distance.