Re TC "Ingrid"
Exactly Claret,
I flew within 40nm of Ingrid on two occasions and it was exactly as you indicated. we were clear of significant cloud and a bit of wind and maybe not in a bugsmasha but thats only a matter of speed.
Years ago we used to do a lot of work for power and water and they required to attend the sceen of bad weather including cyclones asap after. Thats were the damage was. I can't say I enjoyed it as it was normally at night, didn't have radar BUT we made it safe. Flying near bad wx including cyclones can be safe. If your groundspeed in a C310 towards the cyclone was only 25 kts, which I doubt, it would have been over 300 on the way home whats the problem if you have fuel???
It woould be prudent to move your aircraft prior to winds exceeding aircraft limits, that however is up to the owner to risk. I am sure they know what they risk.
I flew within 40nm of Ingrid on two occasions and it was exactly as you indicated. we were clear of significant cloud and a bit of wind and maybe not in a bugsmasha but thats only a matter of speed.
Years ago we used to do a lot of work for power and water and they required to attend the sceen of bad weather including cyclones asap after. Thats were the damage was. I can't say I enjoyed it as it was normally at night, didn't have radar BUT we made it safe. Flying near bad wx including cyclones can be safe. If your groundspeed in a C310 towards the cyclone was only 25 kts, which I doubt, it would have been over 300 on the way home whats the problem if you have fuel???
It woould be prudent to move your aircraft prior to winds exceeding aircraft limits, that however is up to the owner to risk. I am sure they know what they risk.
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CapWawa,
with all due respect,
if the flight Contintental is referring to is the same one as you, then another fact comes to light.
If it was sunday and it was GBI, then that flight was very obviously one of need for that community. From what I could see on the BOM radar (I too was doing a Clarrie most of the day), Ingrid was busy settling down on top of Hectors home ground.
As for the comment made by the controller .. I wonder how long that controller has been in DN and just how much experience he/she has had. January/June are the months for transferring new ATC's around .. personally, I don't think that the comment should have been made, and again, who is the controller to criticise/comment on the judgement of the PIC and/or by inference, the company?
RENURPP,
I too have been flying in cyclonic weather, and apart from severely reducing the ground speed the flight itself was actually very ordinary.
Tinny,
the mahogany trees make fantastic cutting boards!! As far as the islands are concerned, I am amazed that anything was left standing anywhere over CKI way .. 320k winds .. astounding stuff, I really thought that everything would have lifted off.
with all due respect,
if the flight Contintental is referring to is the same one as you, then another fact comes to light.
If it was sunday and it was GBI, then that flight was very obviously one of need for that community. From what I could see on the BOM radar (I too was doing a Clarrie most of the day), Ingrid was busy settling down on top of Hectors home ground.
As for the comment made by the controller .. I wonder how long that controller has been in DN and just how much experience he/she has had. January/June are the months for transferring new ATC's around .. personally, I don't think that the comment should have been made, and again, who is the controller to criticise/comment on the judgement of the PIC and/or by inference, the company?
RENURPP,
I too have been flying in cyclonic weather, and apart from severely reducing the ground speed the flight itself was actually very ordinary.
Tinny,
the mahogany trees make fantastic cutting boards!! As far as the islands are concerned, I am amazed that anything was left standing anywhere over CKI way .. 320k winds .. astounding stuff, I really thought that everything would have lifted off.
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The C310 comment was supposed to be a Joke. Fair enough about flying in the vicinity - it's up to the PIC at the end of the day.
I heard that the wind speed recorded on the ground at CKI was 160km/h. One thing I did find interesting was watching how Ingrid grew out when down graded, and then tightened when back to cat 5. The eye must have been quite small.
I heard that the wind speed recorded on the ground at CKI was 160km/h. One thing I did find interesting was watching how Ingrid grew out when down graded, and then tightened when back to cat 5. The eye must have been quite small.
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that damage looks like a typical sydney storm on the north shore! 
I have familiy living in Cairns, Qf and AN at the time still operated into cairns under a cyclone warning, i assume they continue to operate until the winds exceed limits. relatives have told me flights in and out of CNS have operated untill a a few hrs before the cyclone body hits. and begin again not long after it passes.
Strange how CNS only seams to suffer flood damage during cyclones, and areas thurther west (NT/WA) theres no shortage of footage of smashed houses and broken trees! something to do with a bloody big mountain range maybe!?
I have familiy living in Cairns, Qf and AN at the time still operated into cairns under a cyclone warning, i assume they continue to operate until the winds exceed limits. relatives have told me flights in and out of CNS have operated untill a a few hrs before the cyclone body hits. and begin again not long after it passes.
Strange how CNS only seams to suffer flood damage during cyclones, and areas thurther west (NT/WA) theres no shortage of footage of smashed houses and broken trees! something to do with a bloody big mountain range maybe!?
Someone asked about the Wx on the day.....
This was the TAF for DN on monday morning when I arrived at work:
DARWIN (YPDN)
TAF AMD YPDN 132227Z 0024
10025G40KT 8000 SHOWERS OF RAIN SCT015 BKN025
TEMPO 0024 14030G45KT 1000 THUNDERSTORMS WITH RAIN BKN010 SCT020CB
T 26 27 28 28 Q 999 998 997 999
TTF SPECI YPDN 140032Z 10022KT 2000 SCT005 OVC100 25/24 Q998
RMK RF03.6/006.8
FM0050 10025G45KT 4000 SHOWERS OF RAIN SCT015 BKN025
TEMPO 0032/0332 14030G50KT 1000 THUNDERSTORMS WITH RAIN BKN010
SCT020CB
SPECI YPDN 140032Z 10022KT 2000 SCT005 OVC100 25/24 Q998
RMK RF03.6/006.8
(I'd cut and pasted it into another BB at the time).
From memory we had some pretty good winds and rain around 3am in DN, and the rain was still reasonably heavy (wipers were not quite keeping up while driving at 40km/h) while driving to work at 6am.
Moved many Power and Water crews about the Islands for the rest of last week. Garden Point and Snake Bay were only hit while Ingrid was a Cat 3, and there was a reasonable amount of damage there. Was talking to one of the GPT policemen while I was there (and at the BTI footy) and he said the freakiest thing was during the period of time that they were in the eye for about two hours. He said that while it was dead calm, you could see the wall of cloud (lit-up with lightning) rotating around them at a distance, and he said the continual distant roar of the cyclone during the calm of the eye was something difficult to explain.
Wawa, it was 160kts. She was still a Cat 5 as it traversed the Central Arnhem Coast with winds forecast to 300+km/h.
160km/h? I'm told they were more like 190-240km/h. This pic shows what happened on Cobourg Pen. I noticed on Melville Is that it was the larger (more foliage) trees that seemed to be snapped-off a few feet above the ground, the smaller trees able to bend with the wind a lot better.
Read about it here..... http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/service...id/index.shtml
Regards,
OpsN.
This was the TAF for DN on monday morning when I arrived at work:
DARWIN (YPDN)
TAF AMD YPDN 132227Z 0024
10025G40KT 8000 SHOWERS OF RAIN SCT015 BKN025
TEMPO 0024 14030G45KT 1000 THUNDERSTORMS WITH RAIN BKN010 SCT020CB
T 26 27 28 28 Q 999 998 997 999
TTF SPECI YPDN 140032Z 10022KT 2000 SCT005 OVC100 25/24 Q998
RMK RF03.6/006.8
FM0050 10025G45KT 4000 SHOWERS OF RAIN SCT015 BKN025
TEMPO 0032/0332 14030G50KT 1000 THUNDERSTORMS WITH RAIN BKN010
SCT020CB
SPECI YPDN 140032Z 10022KT 2000 SCT005 OVC100 25/24 Q998
RMK RF03.6/006.8
(I'd cut and pasted it into another BB at the time).
From memory we had some pretty good winds and rain around 3am in DN, and the rain was still reasonably heavy (wipers were not quite keeping up while driving at 40km/h) while driving to work at 6am.
Moved many Power and Water crews about the Islands for the rest of last week. Garden Point and Snake Bay were only hit while Ingrid was a Cat 3, and there was a reasonable amount of damage there. Was talking to one of the GPT policemen while I was there (and at the BTI footy) and he said the freakiest thing was during the period of time that they were in the eye for about two hours. He said that while it was dead calm, you could see the wall of cloud (lit-up with lightning) rotating around them at a distance, and he said the continual distant roar of the cyclone during the calm of the eye was something difficult to explain.
Wawa, it was 160kts. She was still a Cat 5 as it traversed the Central Arnhem Coast with winds forecast to 300+km/h.
160km/h? I'm told they were more like 190-240km/h. This pic shows what happened on Cobourg Pen. I noticed on Melville Is that it was the larger (more foliage) trees that seemed to be snapped-off a few feet above the ground, the smaller trees able to bend with the wind a lot better.
Read about it here..... http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/service...id/index.shtml
Regards,
OpsN.
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Well all I can say is hooray it didnt hit Darwin.
We gonna get hit one day tho and while most the buildings will be ok there is gonna be a helluva mess to clear up.
Tin is glad he has no munny and doesnt have a 60 foot boat in the duckpond or other toys to worry about.
We gonna get hit one day tho and while most the buildings will be ok there is gonna be a helluva mess to clear up.
Tin is glad he has no munny and doesnt have a 60 foot boat in the duckpond or other toys to worry about.
Darwin required an alternate for 20 mins based on the TTF speci and 60 hlding the rest of the time??
The wind was straight down the guts, SO that looks reasonable for an IFR flight, the vis makes it a bit dodgy VFR.
The wind was straight down the guts, SO that looks reasonable for an IFR flight, the vis makes it a bit dodgy VFR.
