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Old 9th Feb 2005, 15:56
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Hi all...just to let you know, got an email this morning form Eagle Airways NZ. To be honest I'd forgotten my details were still on Staff CV....(I'm now a SFO/Captain in training on 757's)
In any case the interviews are set down for Feb 28, March 1 & 2...goodluck to all those who get the email or call....the 1900 is a good beasty for a first job!
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Isn't that amazing

There are also interviews Feb 14-16, closely following the ones a few weeks back. I think it would be more newsworthy if a month went by without any eagle interviews.
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Eagle Interveiws

Heard today thru the gossip grapevine that these have been cancelled due lack of interest...Or is that due too much interest from other parties?

Oh to have had the choice back in the good old days......
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GA pilots arnt dumb, I'm sure they can see thats its not a happy camp at the moment and are prepared to wait a little longer to see what happens.

Just a thought

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jeez splat how times have changed, I thought that YOU thought eagle was god's gift to nz aviation?
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Old 11th Feb 2005, 20:46
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Whats the latest with the negotiations?
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Whats happening at Eagle anyway??

Are the boys up front getting tired of low pay?
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Woops, got a bit confused with my first post, but you may find this more interesting...

The interviews planned for this week were shifted to 28th-2nd because they couldn't get enought pilots to attend!

Now as splat said that must be a sign of people having a think and another look around (or most of the would be interviewees already having jobs/interviews with NSN or Cook) - if this was a couple of years ago, eagle could have called up most applicants and had them attending interviews the next day. In saying that, there are still plenty of willing applicants, but eagle need to lower there sights so they are not competing with the bigger planed, higher paying airlines - they will not win.

A job with eagle has still got to be heaps better than most GA jobs, so if your applying or have an interview, I wouldn't read too much into this talk or poor pay and conditions - just make sure you only get bonded for 1 year (there are 2 different bond contracts beleive it or not). The trip to Canadia is not all bad either.

Split flap - as you can probably guess, eagle pilots are not at liberty to discuss negotiations on a public forum.
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Old 13th Feb 2005, 06:43
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Cheers CC I was wondering how to word it..

All the **** aside its a good job, you fly with good buggers on good route structures and get paid to do it in an aircraft which out performs nearly every other prop in NZ skies.

Its not all bad
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Old 13th Feb 2005, 19:54
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(there are 2 different bond contracts beleive it or not).
Cloud Cutter, for clarification, there are two bond periods available depending on what job the company offer you.

The standard is to be offered a Contract Pilot position for a period of 1 year, bond effective at successful completion of training. Once on board you can apply for any full time jobs that become available at your leisure. Downside is you are not onthe seniority list until you go permanent.

The company also has the discretion to offer you a permanent full time job straight away as has happened recently to 2-3 chaps. For the security of a permanent job and entry straight onto the seniority list, the bond period is 2 years.

There are pro's & con's to both, but I think the company will be reluctant to go down the Fulltime job option again as a couple of chaps have struggled with the line training (including a direct entry fulltimer), and if the "contract" pilot fails to meet the standard after retraining then it's easier to terminate a contract than sack a permanent employee.

At the moment with movement the way it is, time on contract is very minimal and so probably the preferred way to go, as you can expect full-time status pretty quick with only the 1 year bond transferred to your new position. The bugger would be if movment stopped for what ever reason and a long time on contract could be worse than GA. In the past guys have spent 9mths on contract working 1-2 days per fortnight to protect the 400hrs per year maximum a contract pilot is restricted to. at the moment thought guys have spent as little as 1 day after line training on contract before being offered a permanent job.

I think the company would prefer to nail guys down to the 2 year bond as it gives some sort of stability that is not prevalent at the moment but they have to weigh that up against training issues etc.


It is a good job, good aircraft, good crews and I would recommend it to anyone, but it doesn't pay the same as Cook or Nelson so if the opportunity is there you can't blame them for trying.


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Old 13th Feb 2005, 20:26
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Well said Squawk!

It is rare to read someone's veiw that is on the mark, instead of the standard "Bag the Little Guy's"
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Currently have applications standing with both Eagle and Air Nelson - what sort of experience are the guys being called up for interviews have at the moment? Just wondering to see how far I have to go!!!
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S2K, as I said, I would sugest they go for the contract then perm route in the current climate. The benifits of the 1 year bond far outweigh 2-3 weeks delay in seniority.
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empacher.....the experience I had 19 months ago when I applied to eagle on staff CV was 1600 TT..with about 300 multi-turbine.
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CC, absolutley it's the way to go at the moment, but for the benefit of those looking at Eagle as an option it should be made clear that it is the COMPANY that decides what contract they offer new pilots not the pilots making their own preferred choice.

I made a killing as a contractor, taking home in the hand close to double what my GA pre-tax pay was, was like winning Lotto every fortnight!

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Old 14th Feb 2005, 21:44
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Contract is the way to go if you can.

Most contractors were/are taking home about the same as captains each week

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EMPACHER48 I could well be incorrect but EAG mins seem to be over 1000TT and 100-150 multi

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what about slightly short of 1000TT with 300+multi ATOs?
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Old 15th Feb 2005, 21:29
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Splat,

To measure performance by speed alone is rather short sighted...how about considering cost per seat per mile of operation.....or more importantly what do you think my little posse of hosties would say if I was to boast about being the "quickest" operator in town!

And please little people before you accuse me of turning this into a p***ing competition..........there is no competition!

holy!
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Continuing the theme of Not a p!ssing contest and in (Rare!) defence of Splat I think he said the A/C was one of the best performers around, not that it was the fastest. That would be like saying A/C with hosties are better than those without, now wouldn't it?

If you, as a pilot derive pleasure from flying an A/C with good seat-mile costs good on you I'm afraid my wheels aren't spinning

Flying Ginge - 1000TT(for now for Eagle) is a bit like $9.95 instead of $10 - one sounds better than the other although the difference is negligible. Through staffcv.whatever.com you might not be spotted till 1000hrs, so is a personal visit a possibility? I pretty sure they wont tell you to sod off if the bigwigs have time, and that way you get your 999.9 hrs under their noses - just an idea.

And remember little people
when it's over out there we're all on the same team


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Old 16th Feb 2005, 08:59
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Cheers Thump!

Holy grail, I was pointing out its performance all round. If you want to go into seat miles cost ect you can but it dosen't really fuss me.

Having a hosteeeeeee and therefore coffee in fight does gain bonus points but if its fun to fly then that holds alot more satisfaction than having a F/A.

happy flying and good luck to all going to interviews

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