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Splat and Cloud............couldnt agree more, my point was more a general moan about the general viewpoint as I've experienced it..indeed I was invited back for an Eagle interview not so long ago.
I wish everyone going to interviews all the best!
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I wish everyone going to interviews all the best!
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All good stuff, as far as I am concerned I take each person on their individual merits. There are good and bad in every airline.
Sadly it is the odd one or two who can make your life miserable. There is nothing worse than sitting next to a guy who is making bad decisions, and who won't listen to you. Been there, done that, didn't enjoy it.
Whatever the reason, there is a large amount of myopia in NZ commercial aviation. People who have flown in Europe are generally flying in the most technically challenging environment in aviation. Yet most NZ airlines don't recognise that experience as being worth anything at all. The CAA certainly doesn't.
I was having a chat recently to the Eagle CP, and the same attitudes came out in our chat (and no I wasn't after a job).
Because I was training in the UK, I got to see quite a few ex-Eagle and Air Nelson pilots in the simulator. They all struggled, and several got chopped. Does this mean that NZ pilots are inferior? Not at all, it just illustrates the stupidity of having so many different standards and expectations in professional aviation. If the process was standardised world-wide, life for all of us would be a lot simpler, and potentially more satisfying.
As it stands, the attitudes on show by the airlines and the CAA is a joke. I had the then-Chief Pilot at Air Nelson explain to me once that he wouldn't hire me no matter how qualified I was, because I had "jumped ship" and gone to Europe. It "wasn't fair" that I had "leapfrogged all the loyal NZ pilots" by getting to my eventual position. My experience was "not worth sh*t" because I hadn't gained it in NZ. Besides, "foreign pilots can't handle the complexities of NZ airspace". Yeah, right...
That is what we are on about, not individuals or equipment. It is the attitude. Some people really need to go and see how aviation works in the rest of the world - it is an eye-opener.
Anyway... rant mode off...
All good stuff, as far as I am concerned I take each person on their individual merits. There are good and bad in every airline.
Sadly it is the odd one or two who can make your life miserable. There is nothing worse than sitting next to a guy who is making bad decisions, and who won't listen to you. Been there, done that, didn't enjoy it.
Whatever the reason, there is a large amount of myopia in NZ commercial aviation. People who have flown in Europe are generally flying in the most technically challenging environment in aviation. Yet most NZ airlines don't recognise that experience as being worth anything at all. The CAA certainly doesn't.
I was having a chat recently to the Eagle CP, and the same attitudes came out in our chat (and no I wasn't after a job).
Because I was training in the UK, I got to see quite a few ex-Eagle and Air Nelson pilots in the simulator. They all struggled, and several got chopped. Does this mean that NZ pilots are inferior? Not at all, it just illustrates the stupidity of having so many different standards and expectations in professional aviation. If the process was standardised world-wide, life for all of us would be a lot simpler, and potentially more satisfying.
As it stands, the attitudes on show by the airlines and the CAA is a joke. I had the then-Chief Pilot at Air Nelson explain to me once that he wouldn't hire me no matter how qualified I was, because I had "jumped ship" and gone to Europe. It "wasn't fair" that I had "leapfrogged all the loyal NZ pilots" by getting to my eventual position. My experience was "not worth sh*t" because I hadn't gained it in NZ. Besides, "foreign pilots can't handle the complexities of NZ airspace". Yeah, right...
That is what we are on about, not individuals or equipment. It is the attitude. Some people really need to go and see how aviation works in the rest of the world - it is an eye-opener.
Anyway... rant mode off...
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MOR Id heard certain murmurings about the then Air Ns CP.....but that takes the biscuit!!!, I wonder was he short....had a moustache?...and two big chips on his shoulders???
aviation can do without characters like this...IMHO
H
aviation can do without characters like this...IMHO
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MOR,
In line with what you said, some years back, a CP of a Wellington based regional/feeder airline once said to me go and get some more experience and then come back and see him. 3 years later I went back with over 2k hours and time on type and the response I got was "yeah you've got good experience, but we don't like people with PNG time because they are all cowboys" and that was the end of the conversation...go figure!
In line with what you said, some years back, a CP of a Wellington based regional/feeder airline once said to me go and get some more experience and then come back and see him. 3 years later I went back with over 2k hours and time on type and the response I got was "yeah you've got good experience, but we don't like people with PNG time because they are all cowboys" and that was the end of the conversation...go figure!
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Only spoke to him on the phone, but he sounded short and heavily chipped!
troppo tells a familiar story. Most of these guys in Chief Pilot positions are ex-aero club, and it shows. None of them know how aviation works outside NZ, none of them have ever flown in complex airspace or large airports. They all seem to have a fear of those who have. Very much the "short man" syndrome.
NZ aviation is so insular and parochial that if it weren't so sad, it would be funny. In most other (more enlightened) industries, foreign experience is highly prized. People are encouraged to spread their wings and widen their experience and raise their skill levels. In NZ aviation, it is the reverse. Talk about having your head up your arse.
Any of the studies done into accident rates versus experience show that experience rules. Inexperience is often cited as a contributory cause in accidents, but NZ airlines would much rather pander to a convoluted idea of seniority than employ people who have significant experience.
Anyway, it is unlikely to change anytime soon.
Only spoke to him on the phone, but he sounded short and heavily chipped!
troppo tells a familiar story. Most of these guys in Chief Pilot positions are ex-aero club, and it shows. None of them know how aviation works outside NZ, none of them have ever flown in complex airspace or large airports. They all seem to have a fear of those who have. Very much the "short man" syndrome.
NZ aviation is so insular and parochial that if it weren't so sad, it would be funny. In most other (more enlightened) industries, foreign experience is highly prized. People are encouraged to spread their wings and widen their experience and raise their skill levels. In NZ aviation, it is the reverse. Talk about having your head up your arse.
Any of the studies done into accident rates versus experience show that experience rules. Inexperience is often cited as a contributory cause in accidents, but NZ airlines would much rather pander to a convoluted idea of seniority than employ people who have significant experience.
Anyway, it is unlikely to change anytime soon.
I rather think he's using the foreign experience as an excuse..
he's doesn't want Pilots with more experience than himself, that's why guy's like him stay on props ..big fish in a small pond syndrome....I've met quite a few with hugh ego's and no balls.
he's doesn't want Pilots with more experience than himself, that's why guy's like him stay on props ..big fish in a small pond syndrome....I've met quite a few with hugh ego's and no balls.
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Back to the original thread topic....
Of the 5 successful candidates from the last interview round, who completed the ground course last week, have all been given start dates.
Another round coming up?
Good luck people
S2K
Of the 5 successful candidates from the last interview round, who completed the ground course last week, have all been given start dates.
Another round coming up?
Good luck people
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There's normally ten and sucess rate is about 60%. Aparently calls have gone out for the next round. With 2 more aircraft in the pipelines the hiring should continue quite aggressively. Restricted mainly by training staff of which there will soon be more. Interesting times.
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Just had an email of Air NZ asking if I wanted to be interviewed as they are short of guys with jet time.
Cloud...if this is happening at Air NZ...there must be a bit of rapid progression going on at Eagle.
or not...
Cloud...if this is happening at Air NZ...there must be a bit of rapid progression going on at Eagle.
or not...
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Yeah, that's a bit of a sore point at the moment amongst the Air NZ link airlines. There are plenty of guys/girls waiting on starts who are being surpassed by external pilots because the link airlines have kicked up a stink about the numbers being taken.
There is still what I would call rapid progression at Eagle, just not the rediculous pace of last year.
More importantly, how did you reply to Ms Hall
Yeah, that's a bit of a sore point at the moment amongst the Air NZ link airlines. There are plenty of guys/girls waiting on starts who are being surpassed by external pilots because the link airlines have kicked up a stink about the numbers being taken.
There is still what I would call rapid progression at Eagle, just not the rediculous pace of last year.
More importantly, how did you reply to Ms Hall
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Whilst the cloud cutter is correct, 10 is the usual no. in a interview group, there were 8 on the last round.
haughtney1, progression is about 12-15mths for a command at the moment.
Cheers
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haughtney1, progression is about 12-15mths for a command at the moment.
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Cloud......
The reply was thanks but no thanks for the moment.......command where I am is about 3 - 4 years (B757) I dont honestly fancy sitting in the r/h seat for the next 15 years with Air NZ...plus the way they treated me a few years back still sticks in the throat a little, part of the reason I dont live in NZ at the moment (but thats another story).
But you never say never I guess..things can change
The reply was thanks but no thanks for the moment.......command where I am is about 3 - 4 years (B757) I dont honestly fancy sitting in the r/h seat for the next 15 years with Air NZ...plus the way they treated me a few years back still sticks in the throat a little, part of the reason I dont live in NZ at the moment (but thats another story).
But you never say never I guess..things can change