Is anyone actually happy? Anybody?
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Shut up Ibex.
You consistently demonstrate nothing but a desire to bring people and topics down. You're a miserable tw@t.
You're not even a pilot. If you were you might someday have something sensible to say but for ages we've all been waiting... so far, NOTHING. Except tragic moaning and whinging and taking shots at other people. What's your problem? Why do you hate aviation so much?
Meanwhile........ to answer the question, some people do enjoy flying aircraft for a living. Some people enjoy the experience of blasting off into the WBY and pitting machine against the elements. Rather than bitching about it or one-upping themselves against others. Unlike Ibex and his sad-case whinges.......
I'm happy.
You consistently demonstrate nothing but a desire to bring people and topics down. You're a miserable tw@t.
You're not even a pilot. If you were you might someday have something sensible to say but for ages we've all been waiting... so far, NOTHING. Except tragic moaning and whinging and taking shots at other people. What's your problem? Why do you hate aviation so much?
Meanwhile........ to answer the question, some people do enjoy flying aircraft for a living. Some people enjoy the experience of blasting off into the WBY and pitting machine against the elements. Rather than bitching about it or one-upping themselves against others. Unlike Ibex and his sad-case whinges.......
I'm happy.
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well said that man!
ibex, (and I used little letters on purpose), get a life
Your wasting the one youv'e got.
You may not enjoy your job, and I doubt it is as a pilot,
whatever the case, a word of advice.
If you and this negative bout your job, move on so someone who will enjoy it can take over and excel.
Oh and any spelling nazi's out there
who cares!
ibex, (and I used little letters on purpose), get a life
Your wasting the one youv'e got.
You may not enjoy your job, and I doubt it is as a pilot,
whatever the case, a word of advice.
If you and this negative bout your job, move on so someone who will enjoy it can take over and excel.
Oh and any spelling nazi's out there
who cares!
............maxgrad and Kornholio, twisted and bitter
Why the vindictive and vitriolic reply's?
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Well I'm happy It's all a state of mind. I couldn't think of a better job to do, bugger sitting in a cubicle the rest of my life! Oh wait, I will be At least it's got a view and takes me places!
Cheers
It's all a state of mind. I couldn't think of a better job to do, bugger sitting in a cubicle the rest of my life! Oh wait, I will be At least it's got a view and takes me places!Cheers
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When I'm flying anything, Pa 25's towing gliders or Pa 31's
I'm happy!
When I'm picking (expletive deleted) oranges, I'm not!
One day I will get back to full time flying and then I will be happy all the time. Until then I shall just have to be patient.
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
I'm happy!
When I'm picking (expletive deleted) oranges, I'm not!
One day I will get back to full time flying and then I will be happy all the time. Until then I shall just have to be patient.
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
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Ah that's just gold
Those replies put a HUGE smile on my face!
Oh and the bit that goes "You're not even a pilot" - Gold. That's exactly what I say to other non superiors! Love your work!
I would stick around longer but I need to slap on the leather helmet and goggles and 'pit my machine against the elements' which will include wheeling and soaring in sunlit silence amongst the sun split clouds.
Watch out below, the rain may be sticky this afternoon.
Those replies put a HUGE smile on my face!
Oh and the bit that goes "You're not even a pilot" - Gold. That's exactly what I say to other non superiors! Love your work!
I would stick around longer but I need to slap on the leather helmet and goggles and 'pit my machine against the elements' which will include wheeling and soaring in sunlit silence amongst the sun split clouds.
Watch out below, the rain may be sticky this afternoon.
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Flying aircraft has paid for a house on a few acres with a pool the boys can splash about in after school. The wife doesn't have to work 'coz the bank doesn't own us.
I go and teach kids to fly upside down, pull 'g', fly formation etc, and I'm home every night.
What's not to lile.
Happy 'straya day
I go and teach kids to fly upside down, pull 'g', fly formation etc, and I'm home every night.
What's not to lile.
Happy 'straya day
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The Full Circle story is great, I hadn't read it before. Clearly, if you are not happy where you are now, you're not going to be happy just because you are flying a twin or a jet. I think there are many people out there instructing who will be happy their whole career teaching people to learn to fly, also the same applies to charter pilots or jet pilots.
Happiness though doesn't just come from what you do, it is what you are or not. EG, I am only flying a bit part time at present, am I happy, yes, I am very lucky with my full time job, home life and i get to fly aswell on weekends. Would I like to fly full time, yes. Will it make me happier than what i am now, NO. If you are not happy now and you are waiting for some job to make you happy later, you are setting yourself up for one big disappointment.
Just a thought. Life is too short to not to enjoy now, later may never come.
Happiness though doesn't just come from what you do, it is what you are or not. EG, I am only flying a bit part time at present, am I happy, yes, I am very lucky with my full time job, home life and i get to fly aswell on weekends. Would I like to fly full time, yes. Will it make me happier than what i am now, NO. If you are not happy now and you are waiting for some job to make you happy later, you are setting yourself up for one big disappointment.
Just a thought. Life is too short to not to enjoy now, later may never come.
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ibex
nicely taken out of context
The superior attitude was not present in my statement, but hey , if you feel inferior, fine.
If you are wearing goggles etc you may need the white scarf that that goes so well with your handle bar mustache and stiff upper lip.
Super Cecil, actually I think ibex is the bitter and twisted one. Positive statements were made about the industry, or at least the act of flying. These statements were attacked, therefore I responded, (mainly cause I enjoy a good brawl )
nicely taken out of context
The superior attitude was not present in my statement, but hey , if you feel inferior, fine.
If you are wearing goggles etc you may need the white scarf that that goes so well with your handle bar mustache and stiff upper lip.
Super Cecil, actually I think ibex is the bitter and twisted one. Positive statements were made about the industry, or at least the act of flying. These statements were attacked, therefore I responded, (mainly cause I enjoy a good brawl
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Watch out below, the rain may be sticky this afternoon.
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This thread had restored my faith in Pprune and the people in it, I might even come back and read it regularly!
I am content and happy as well, I never realised so many people were........
3 days ago, I took off at first light and watched to sun rise on my right and the moon set on my left while I steep turned round a few thunderheads.......it dosent get any better than that.....
But try and expalin that to a mere mortal.........
I am content and happy as well, I never realised so many people were........
3 days ago, I took off at first light and watched to sun rise on my right and the moon set on my left while I steep turned round a few thunderheads.......it dosent get any better than that.....
But try and expalin that to a mere mortal.........
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Happy ? U Bet ur life we are!!
Happy ? You bet - HM Queen Elizabeth paid for my training , the best the world could offer! She (not personally of course) ensured that the government of the day provided my colleagues and I with some airplanes to play in on a regular basis. Just occasionally asking us to pop off and fight the "woolies" or the "jiggaboos" someplace but always back for teatime!! Anything more serious I understand they sent a Gunboat from the Senior Service!!
Spent a few miserable years flying SLF and hated every minute of it except when I was accompanied by a pretty and nice smelling young female F/O - but I soon got bored and left for warmer climes.
Flew hither and thither all over the world, had come great times and some better times but NO COMPLAINTS.
Now fly from time to time, best job in the world and worst paid pro rata skill/responsibility but hey! one cannot have ones cake and eat it!! ahem!
Is everybody happy? You bet your life we are. . . . .
What are you flying Maxspeed ? a glider ?
Spent a few miserable years flying SLF and hated every minute of it except when I was accompanied by a pretty and nice smelling young female F/O - but I soon got bored and left for warmer climes.
Flew hither and thither all over the world, had come great times and some better times but NO COMPLAINTS.
Now fly from time to time, best job in the world and worst paid pro rata skill/responsibility but hey! one cannot have ones cake and eat it!! ahem!
Is everybody happy? You bet your life we are. . . . .
What are you flying Maxspeed ? a glider ?
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I have had the aeroplane "turn into a glider" on me on more than one occasion, and when its below 100ft my "happiness in the job is momentarily "on hold"
and the feeling at the other end 
Hard Yakka
Aviation is hard yakka. Been around long enough to see nearly everything from most sides.
Flying is a "glamorous" job that every boy (you know what I mean) wants to do when they grow up. The only other industry I have seen with parallels to aviation is the music/entertainment industry.
Flying reality is:
- only a few make it to the top (look at the numbers to see) and http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/03nov/62.pdf
- pilots will work for free or casual
- parachute operators will often not pay pilots (see above) and have convinced CASA they are not a commercial operation and can otherwise use private pilots anyway
- flying schools employ casual pilots
- pressures from some operators on their pilots
- military pilots with civil accreditation of qualifications take charter and instructing jobs on weekends away from those in GA who need the jobs to survive and struggling to get the hours and a career path
- budget carriers are reducing employment conditions for pilots. Qantas starting low cost operations to do likewise. Qantas will disappear in the future as they ramp up their cheap pay offshoots
- budget carriers want you to have and pay type rating up front (used to be done by the airline once you got there)
The cycle becomes self-perpetuating. Pilots pay a lot for their quals and need to be paid to live. The article above gives some indication of how many have fallen by the wayside in their quest for a flying career (over 14,000).
That's why people get peeved off and cynical about the industry. And dealing with CASA doesn't help any segment of the industry either. If CASA was an airline it would lose its AOC and be shut down!
Other options:
- save your money and don't "invest" it in flying (think how long you can live on the $40 or 50k and what you could do elsewhere)
- Military and get training paid for, a decent wage and a career
- ATC (pays more unless you're flying for the big boys, but do the maths anyway and it might surprise you over a career)
- get a job in airline ops
- work for CASA if you can stand it
- a career in IT and get paid
- fly part time or for recreation and actually enjoy it
- any combination above
Q. How do you make a small fortune in aviation?
A. Start with a large one.
It will cost you emotionally, physically and financially. And be careful you don't end up suffering from flying AIDS (Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome).
If you choose this path, good luck.
Flying is a "glamorous" job that every boy (you know what I mean) wants to do when they grow up. The only other industry I have seen with parallels to aviation is the music/entertainment industry.
Flying reality is:
- only a few make it to the top (look at the numbers to see) and http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/fsa/03nov/62.pdf
- pilots will work for free or casual
- parachute operators will often not pay pilots (see above) and have convinced CASA they are not a commercial operation and can otherwise use private pilots anyway
- flying schools employ casual pilots
- pressures from some operators on their pilots
- military pilots with civil accreditation of qualifications take charter and instructing jobs on weekends away from those in GA who need the jobs to survive and struggling to get the hours and a career path
- budget carriers are reducing employment conditions for pilots. Qantas starting low cost operations to do likewise. Qantas will disappear in the future as they ramp up their cheap pay offshoots
- budget carriers want you to have and pay type rating up front (used to be done by the airline once you got there)
The cycle becomes self-perpetuating. Pilots pay a lot for their quals and need to be paid to live. The article above gives some indication of how many have fallen by the wayside in their quest for a flying career (over 14,000).
That's why people get peeved off and cynical about the industry. And dealing with CASA doesn't help any segment of the industry either. If CASA was an airline it would lose its AOC and be shut down!
Other options:
- save your money and don't "invest" it in flying (think how long you can live on the $40 or 50k and what you could do elsewhere)
- Military and get training paid for, a decent wage and a career
- ATC (pays more unless you're flying for the big boys, but do the maths anyway and it might surprise you over a career)
- get a job in airline ops
- work for CASA if you can stand it
- a career in IT and get paid
- fly part time or for recreation and actually enjoy it
- any combination above
Q. How do you make a small fortune in aviation?
A. Start with a large one.
It will cost you emotionally, physically and financially. And be careful you don't end up suffering from flying AIDS (Aviation Induced Divorce Syndrome).
If you choose this path, good luck.
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Other options:
- save your money and don't "invest" it in flying (think how long you can live on the $40 or 50k and what you could do elsewhere)
- Military and get training paid for, a decent wage and a career
- ATC (pays more unless you're flying for the big boys, but do the maths anyway and it might surprise you over a career)
- get a job in airline ops
- work for CASA if you can stand it
- a career in IT and get paid
- fly part time or for recreation and actually enjoy it
- any combination above
............................................................ .........................................
- or you could just p**ss it up against the wall, or spend it on waterskiing, or at the casino, or motor racing, or fishing.....
- in NZ????????????
- have you ever done ATC in a busy place? watching everyone else enjoying themselves while you're stressed beyond belief?
- in an office 12 hours a day?
- only if you get to fly your own aeroplane to go places in
- mmmm a computer geek. now there's an attractive option
- the only sensible option i reckon
- i'm LAME and flying - not the best combo but it pays the bills (i KNOW what's under the skin.......)
- save your money and don't "invest" it in flying (think how long you can live on the $40 or 50k and what you could do elsewhere)
- Military and get training paid for, a decent wage and a career
- ATC (pays more unless you're flying for the big boys, but do the maths anyway and it might surprise you over a career)
- get a job in airline ops
- work for CASA if you can stand it
- a career in IT and get paid
- fly part time or for recreation and actually enjoy it
- any combination above
............................................................ .........................................
- or you could just p**ss it up against the wall, or spend it on waterskiing, or at the casino, or motor racing, or fishing.....
- in NZ????????????
- have you ever done ATC in a busy place? watching everyone else enjoying themselves while you're stressed beyond belief?
- in an office 12 hours a day?
- only if you get to fly your own aeroplane to go places in
- mmmm a computer geek. now there's an attractive option
- the only sensible option i reckon
- i'm LAME and flying - not the best combo but it pays the bills (i KNOW what's under the skin.......)
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"military pilots with civil accreditation of qualifications take charter and instructing jobs on weekends away from those in GA who need the jobs to survive and struggling to get the hours and a career path"
WTF
WTF